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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by angus, Sep 9, 2016.
Tua better start working on the no-step drop if he’s gonna avoid underthrowing Tyreek.
Good for him getting the bag, but man, ditching Mahomes to go play for one of those teams just for a few million more seems... dumb.
I'd imagine staying in KC for less money today makes his next contract in a few years more lucrative, but what do I know.
Glad to see tyreek go. Dude is a shithead.
Man, can’t believe they’re doing it but if he won’t resign might as well get some value. Reid Patrick and the entire organization went to bat for him so many times but good on him for making a ton of money and living in south beach.
we got a lot in return and we weren’t paying him $30M. we have to hit on those picks, but I see why we did it
We’ve got to keep fresh blood in this offense. The last two years proved teams can and will adjust.
Right now it looks terrible because the 1 they got in the trade isn't high enough to land a top WR in the draft.
But I'd guess it will make more sense after they trade for a receiver. DK Metcalf?
It’s a deep draft, very well could have pro-bowlers in 2-3rd round.
Or you use the capital and move up or trade for somebody.
Similar situation to Packers. You are a bit stronger at wr, we are at running back, both looking for some weapons.
If the Chiefs stay at 29 and 30, I'm going to get very drunk for the first night of the draft.
Why yes, I'll be reading Chiefs rumors about every WR for the foreseeable future
Some dude in a Las Vegas port of subs getting a sandwich, who works at allegiant stadium, wearing a packer hat, was just telling the dude making his sandwich how juju and Jackson had a tick tok thing and that’s what made hill bounce. Lol.
Looks like ruggs to me
Interesting that Taylor writes per a source that Tyreek told the Chiefs he wouldn't play this year without a new deal.
Why friction between Chiefs, Tyreek Hill led to his trade to the Dolphins and what happens next in KC
By Nate Taylor 50m ago 21
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — He wanted to be the NFL’s highest-paid receiver.
For weeks, this was Tyreek Hill’s message to the Chiefs as he negotiated for a contract extension. The Chiefs countered with a lucrative offer that would have made Hill one of the league’s highest-paid receivers, perhaps as high as a top-five earner at his position. For weeks, neither party was willing to budge.
In the NFL, one market-setting deal at a premium position often leads to another. Last week, the Green Bay Packers traded receiver Davante Adams to the Las Vegas Raiders — the Chiefs’ archrival — in exchange for their first- and second-round picks (Nos. 22 and 53) in this year’s draft. Adams, upon his arrival earlier this week, signed a five-year, $140 million contract with, which includes $66 million guaranteed.
On Monday, Hill, according to multiple sources, told the Chiefs that he wanted to top Adams’ deal. As the friction between Hill and the Chiefs grew, the team decided to make a difficult business decision, one that created yet another seismic shift in the landscape of the AFC in a month full of such transactions: Hill was granted permission to seek a blockbuster trade.
Within hours Wednesday, a deal was made. The Chiefs traded Hill — the league’s fastest player — to the Miami Dolphins. In return, the Chiefs received five draft picks: first-, second- and fourth-round picks (Nos. 29, 53 and 121) in this year’s draft and fourth- and sixth-round picks in the 2023 draft.
Hill, along with his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, knew a few teams, after acquiring him in a trade, would be willing to give him the contract extension he wanted. The Dolphins, according to multiple sources, agreed Wednesday to sign Hill to a four-year, $120 million extension through 2025, making him the league’s highest-paid receiver ($30 million per year compared to Adams’ $28 million). The deal also includes $72.2 million guaranteed.
“It’s hard to put into words what Tyreek has meant to Chiefs Kingdom over the last six years,” general manager Brett Veach said in a statement Wednesday. “He’s a special player, one of the best in franchise history. He’s been a large part of our success, including our Super Bowl championship run. This decision was incredibly difficult, but we felt it was a necessary move in the best interest of the team, and also for Tyreek. We wish him the best as he continues his career.”
In the end, the Chiefs elected to break up one of the greatest offensive trios in NFL history: superstar quarterback Patrick Mahomes, star tight end Travis Kelce and Hill. Together, the three players led the Chiefs to four AFC Championship Games inside Arrowhead Stadium, two consecutive Super Bowl appearances and a thrilling, comeback victory in Super Bowl LIV, the franchise’s first title in 50 years.
“I’m very excited to be joining the Miami Dolphins and get to work,” Hill said in a statement he released through his Twitter account. “However, it’s hard thinking about the memories, people and fans that made my time in Kansas city so great.
“Thank you to the Chiefs organization for believing in me. I’ll never forget getting the call in 2016 that my dream to play in the NFL was coming true. I worked hard every day to show appreciation for you taking a chance on me. To Coach (Andy) Reid, (offensive coordinator Eric) Bieniemy and (receiver Greg) Lewis, thank you for what you have taught me, not only about football but about life. Thank you Pat, Kelce, (receiver) Demarcus (Robinson), (receiver Gehrig) Dieter, along with all my teammates.”
Throughout his six-year career, Hill has been perhaps the league’s most lethal receiver. Hill’s rare speed, which led to his nickname, “The Cheetah,” allowed him to sprint by multiple defenders before reaching the end zone, and his connection on deep passes from Mahomes, who has one of the league’s strongest arms, was a perfect match. Since he joined the Chiefs as a fifth-round pick in 2016, Hill has led the league in recording 28 receiving touchdowns in which the ball traveled 20 or more yards in the air, according to Next Gen Stats (second is Antonio Brown with 22). Hill has also scored 20 touchdowns of 50 yards or more since entering the NFL, which is seven more than any other player.
“That guy is great,” Hill said in November of Mahomes. “He’s unbelievable. I can’t ask to be in a better position with a better quarterback.”
Hill’s 67 total touchdowns are the third-most in the franchise’s history. He has been a Pro Bowler every season in his career, and the team has finished each season as the AFC West champion.
When the offseason began, Hill and the Chiefs were confident they could agree on a contract extension. The Chiefs knew such a deal, especially earlier this month when the NFL’s free agency period began, would create more salary-cap space to help the team acquire more talented veterans. The team was also hoping to persuade Hill into making a decision that was similar to what Kelce did with his last contract extension. In August 2020, Kelce, at age 29, signed a four-year contract extension with the Chiefs worth $57.25 million, including $28 million guaranteed. Kelce’s deal didn’t make him the highest-paid tight end in the league (San Francisco 49ers tight end George Kittle signed a five-year contract extension with a maximum value of $75 million, including $30 million guaranteed).
Hill, though, realized this was likely the best opportunity in his career, at age 28, to maximize his earning potential. He informed the Chiefs, according to a source, that he wouldn’t play for them in the upcoming season without a new deal.
Hill also knew his production was outpacing the contract he signed with the Chiefs before the 2019 season. In early September that year, Hill signed a three-year, $54 million extension, with $35.5 million guaranteed. At the time, Hill’s annual average salary of $13.9 million was the 15th-highest among receivers in the league, according to Over The Cap.
The deal, according to a source, was “uniquely structured” to include protections for both parties, following the most turbulent offseason of Hill’s career. The Johnson County (Kan.) District Attorney’s office investigated Hill and his then-fiancée, Crystal Espinal, on allegations that one of them violently injured their son, who was 3 at the time. The six-week investigation was thwarted by insufficient evidence. In late June that year, the NFL held an eight-hour meeting with Hill, as Lisa Friel, the league’s special counsel for investigations, listened to an 11-minute audio recording from Espinal in which Hill threatened her but never admitted guilt or responsibility for being under investigation. Less than a month after the meeting, the NFL chose not to fine or suspend Hill, stating that it could not conclude that Hill violated the league’s personal conduct policy.
Since then, Hill hasn’t had any legal issues.
The Dolphins beat several teams, including a division rival, the New York Jets, to win the sweepstakes to acquire Hill. Although Hill didn’t have a no-trade clause in his contract with the Chiefs, which often gives the player the ability to select his destination once a trade request is granted, Veach and Reid allowed him to pick which team — the Dolphins or the Jets — he wanted to start the next chapter of his career with. Hill selected the Dolphins, a team led by new coach Mike McDaniel, quarterback Tua Tagovailoa, receiver Jaylen Waddle and tight end Mike Gesicki. Last season, the Dolphins were the lone team in the league that didn’t throw multiple touchdown passes in which the ball traveled 20 or more yards in the air, according to Next Gen Stats.
The Dolphins presented the biggest package of draft picks to the Chiefs, too. The Jets, according to multiple sources, were offering the Chiefs the Nos. 35, 38 and 69 picks in this year’s draft, a deal the Chiefs would’ve accepted if Hill wanted to be traded to New York.
“I am happy for Tyreek. He has grown as a man and player here in Kansas City,” Reid said. “Myself, my staff and our organization appreciate all he did for our team. This move will also benefit the Chiefs. We now have cap space and additional draft picks to grow as a football team. I wish him well as he moves forward.”
By trading Hill, the Chiefs created $20.4 million in salary-cap space, according to Over The Cap. The Chiefs, with the league now into the second wave of free agency, are projected to have $28.6 million cap space, the most of any team in the league.
A couple of competent veterans in free agency — including running back Ronald Jones and receiver Marquez Valdes-Scantling — have already had conversations with the Chiefs about joining their roster. Veach and Reid could also be in the market to acquire a young receiver, perhaps Laviska Shenault Jr. of the Jacksonville Jaguars, in a trade.
The Chiefs, though, understand that Reid is expected to alter the offense in a number of ways next season. JuJu Smith-Schuster, the six-year veteran who signed a one-year deal Sunday, will be the Chiefs’ primary slot receiver. The fastest receiver on the roster is Mecole Hardman, a four-year veteran who will take over Hill’s role as the team’s best deep threat. Kelce will still receive plenty of targets in the middle of the field, but the Chiefs’ offense will likely have to be more methodical instead of relying on its ability to have a quick-strike attack through Hill. Another option is that Reid and Bieniemy will utilize running backs such as Clyde Edwards-Helaire more as receivers.
In the draft next month, the Chiefs, who have four picks in the first two rounds, will do their best to add depth at several positions, including receiver, defensive line and cornerback. With the 29th and 30th overall picks, the Chiefs could package them in a trade with another team to move up into the middle of the first round to select a talented prospect at either receiver or a pass-rush position. Or the Chiefs could use one of their first-round picks and one of their third-round picks for a similar deal to ensure they select the receiver prospect they believe is capable of improving their offense.
Above all, the Chiefs believe Mahomes is capable of operating and leading their offense at an above-average level. In five such games in his career, Mahomes, without Hill, has led the Chiefs to a 4-1 record.
Earlier this month, Hill, with the understanding his time in Kansas City could be over, wrote a message on his Twitter account, ending it with a red heart emoji.
“We came a long way,” Hill wrote. “Thank you Chiefs Kingdom. I’m forever indebted.”
If it's essentially 2 years, 20 million for MVS, I'm okay with that I think. I'd like to get another (hopefully cheaper) veteran, and still draft a couple WR's as well.
I know football is different than baseball but this new approach kind of reminds me of the 2015 Royals in a way. Lot of good players, but no world beaters. That team simply was just above average top to bottom. No major holes.
Ignoring QB, the Chiefs lately have been good at the top of the roster but iffy at the bottom. This seems like a turning point in building a more balanced roster, which makes sense in a sport with so much attrition.
Of course, #15 makes it easier to do this because he covers up so many flaws.
Key makes sense. They probably wanna load up and be able to run a NASCAR package without being laughed out the building.
Dan Sorensen to the Saints. There is a God.
Tweet of the year nomination.
I wish I could like this 1000x.
I will never forget all the players Dirty Dan likely gave CTE to.
Especially the Browns receiver to help clinch the 2nd Super Bowl run.
Best off-season of my life.
because backwards lolz
From a "how does ownership of both teams get their stadiums public funded?" standpoint, it is easy to imagine a scenario where the Royals move downtown in a partially publicly-funded stadium, and the Chiefs a few years later move into a publicly-funded stadium in Johnson or Wyandotte county.
I will be very very sad if/when the Chiefs leave Arrowhead, though.
they are just floating that out there to get Missouri people all riled up, they aren’t leaving
So the plan is to build a "ballpark village" equivalent out there after the K moves downtown?
I would be surprised if the Chiefs left where they're at currently with plans for the Royals to leave. A lot of opportunities there, soon.
I would love arrowhead to stay but cover it with a roof and no walls and have the roof extend out over a village or whatever. like how Sofi’s roof extends out away from the stadium etc
There's been plenty of room out there since the place was built to build a "ballpark village." If it hasn't happened at TSC yet, it's not happening.
Quonset hut plays
Miss this dude already
This one had me wondering
I was ready to troll my group texts with "I heard we offered Chris Jones and pick 30 for Justin Jefferson" before CJ clarified.
HB will always be alright with me.
Someone tell me how I should feel