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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Room 15, Mar 22, 2023.

  1. Room 15

    Room 15 Mi equipo esta Los Tigres
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    Is anyone else on Kiva?

    Organization TLDR:

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    After being on my to-do list for months, I finally added some cash to Kiva.org and have been giving out microloans to small business owners in need. I've found it a really fulfilling way to give money to strangers, nice that I know exactly where it's going. I'm starting to focus on lending to Central and South Americans due to some of my travel there.

    This group tends to be a generous bunch, so I started a TMB team on Kiva in case anyone wanted to join up. Perhaps we could stumble onto a cause we all liked and start helping folks fill their loans faster.

    Here's a link to the team in case you're interested in joining up: https://www.kiva.org/invitedto/tmb/by/john23752585

    Charity Navigator summary
     
    #1 Room 15, Mar 22, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2023
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  2. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
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    what the heck
     
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  3. Room 15

    Room 15 Mi equipo esta Los Tigres
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    ?
     
  4. CF3234

    CF3234 Fan of: Bandwagons
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    Is there a ROR on this or is it essentially giving interest free loans to people in need?
     
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  5. Room 15

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    I suppose my TLDR was pretty shitty.

    There's no return for me. It's a donation. These funds flow to local partner agencies that give loans (and charge interest) to the borrowers.

    So when my microloans get repaid, it goes back into my balance to issue more loans.
     
  6. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
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    so wait we're providing capital to a company to make loans to companies who need money?

    do i have that right
     
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  7. Room 15

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  8. James Petigru

    James Petigru Well-Known Member
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    What in the wide world of tipping your landlord is this?
     
  9. racer

    racer Yuma, where I work in software.
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    So people donate out their money to lenders, who issue loans and collect interest to make a profit?
     
  10. Room 15

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    What about interest?

    Most borrowers do pay interest to local lending partners to help cover their operation costs. We verify that these rates are appropriate for the region. Individual lenders don't earn interest—and 100% of money you lend goes to supporting borrowers.
     
  11. southlick

    southlick "Better Than You"
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    Damn Russian bots still getting in.
     
  12. The Blackfish

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    I don’t think this is going how Room 15 envisioned it
     
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  13. ohhaithur

    ohhaithur e-Batman
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    There was a discussion once on this board about micro peer-to-peer building loans. I forget the company
     
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  14. Zap Branigan

    Zap Branigan I suffer from a very sexy learning disability.
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  15. Room 15

    Room 15 Mi equipo esta Los Tigres
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    The verdict is still out
     
  16. Fuck this

    Fuck this Oh Hey
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  17. racer

    racer Yuma, where I work in software.
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    What happens if the borrower doesn’t repay? Who is out? The micro lender? I’d guess not.

    They’ve passed all the risk to you and they collect operational costs (aka salaries paid to themselves) in the form of interest
     
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  18. mb711

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    Thought this was about weed
     
  19. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
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    i feel like there's criminal cartels being funded by this app around the world
     
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  20. Room 15

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    Not sure "all the risk" is accurate. Some, for sure.

    https://www.kiva.org/about/due-diligence/risk

    Repayment rate stats
    • Repayment rate for all loans: 96.4%
    • Repayment rate for ended loans only: 97.1%
    • Repayment rate for partner facilitated loans: 97.0%
    • Repayment rate for direct U.S. loans: 75.4%
    • Borrower repayment rate for all loans: 96.9%
    • Currency exchange loss rate: 0.5%
     
  21. Room 15

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    I feel like I'm on the verge of convincing you
     
  22. Beachy Toast

    Beachy Toast He wants you too, Malachi.
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  23. Deep dirt

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  24. racer

    racer Yuma, where I work in software.
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    That’s nice, but who ate the 3.6%? Was it the institution or the people who donated?
     
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  25. Room 15

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    That is repayment rate to the donor,so they’ll lose that.
     
  26. BWC

    BWC It was the BOAT times, it was the WOAT times
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    This is a troll thread, right?
     
  27. IanBoyd

    IanBoyd Well-Known Member
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    So do I get my organs harvested before or after I give you money?
     
  28. IowaHuskerFan3

    IowaHuskerFan3 I hardly husk.
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    We should all give 10% of our salaries into a TMB pool and then pay it out amongst us.
     
  29. colonel_forbin

    colonel_forbin Well-Known Member
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    What an incredible grift by those lenders
     
  30. Tarpon Nole

    Tarpon Nole Well-Known Member
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    I already do this each month. It’s called interest on my mortgage
     
    #30 Tarpon Nole, Mar 23, 2023
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  31. Tarpon Nole

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    following table shows these loans sorted according to interest rate.

    Number of loans Interest rate
    150,615 0%
    5,570 0.5-10%
    152,926 10.5-20%
    387,677 20.5-30%
    334,205 30.5-40%
    330,354 40.5-50%
    116,154 50.5-60%
    51,026 60.5% +
    1,653 No interest rate listed
    1,530,180 Total

    lol at taking donations and then issuing loans with a 50% interest rate
     
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  32. Redav

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    What an incredible way for that lending company to make money with near zero risk.
     
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  33. electronic

    electronic It’s satire!
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    It’s a 501c3, but I wonder how much their CEO makes.

    Charity Navigator rating superficially means they’re not complete frauds (or at least good at fraud) from an accounting perspective. Have no idea if their methods for vetting and selecting loan recipients is worth a shit.
     
  34. Tarpon Nole

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    it says they have 14 employees and 500+ volunteers. Doesn’t seem like there are tons of mouths to feed. I’m sure he makes a decent percent
     
  35. Redav

    Redav One big ocean
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    CEO made >$800k in 2020 according to the internet
     
  36. electronic

    electronic It’s satire!
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    Oh fuck him.
     
  37. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! No longer a cog in some powerhouse machine
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  38. Redav

    Redav One big ocean
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    There's always someone behind the curtain trying to get rich no matter the good intentions in this place.
     
  39. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! No longer a cog in some powerhouse machine
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    Did they provide you this language to use?
     
  40. Eric The Viking

    Eric The Viking Nitro, the All Knowing
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    “It’s a non-profit. Well, except for me. I profit a lot.”
     
  41. Bruce Wayne

    Bruce Wayne Billionaire Playboy
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    This seems like a scam
     
  42. Jake Scott

    Jake Scott Well-Known Member
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    Seems better than donating to a church. That's all I got.
     
  43. devine

    devine hi, i am user devine
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    Change more lives by relending your money over and over again
     
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  44. Redav

    Redav One big ocean
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    "We lend people your money, after taking a cut obviously"

    Incredible
     
  45. dome foam

    dome foam ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    Lol I had this gif in the chamber
     
  46. bigred77

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    How exactly is this a non profit organization?
     
  47. Redav

    Redav One big ocean
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    Most hospitals are non profit but still have administrators that make large sums of money.
     
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  48. The Blackfish

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    And now?

    fwiw seems like somewhat of a grift but seems like your money goes where it’s intended and does some good.
     
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  49. Jake Scott

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    They have a LOT of administrators, board members, etc that make very large sums of money. They waste and throw away more money than any other setting I've ever worked in.

    And I've worked extensively in commercial insurance IT.
     
  50. Redav

    Redav One big ocean
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    You can also see how much they all make because their finances are public :loldog:
     
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