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  1. Jigga

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    Question for the knowledgeable ones in here since I’m very clueless. In Florida if it matters.

    I haven’t had contact with my dad in 30+ years. I don’t remember exact timing but a long time.

    My wife got a Facebook request and message from someone saying they are my half brother and telling me our dad passed away and he needs to talk to me.

    I did confirm elsewhere he did pass away but I’m really just nervous I don’t want to be responsible for anything as I’m assuming he had debts in his name etc
     
  2. Gotch Yarbrough

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    Not a Florida expert but heirs are *generally* not liable for debts of the decedent. If the debts exceed the estate assets, the estate is considered insolvent and the creditors will/should work with the probate attorney/judge to recover as much as they can or they risk getting nothing themselves.
     
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  3. Gallant Knight

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    once again, file a lawsuit on every single progressive soft tissue case. they get a litigation adjuster assigned who reaches out as soon as their insured is served and if you give them a demand for 25% more than you would take to settle it, they almost always just go get the money within a week.

    pretty wild system.
     
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  4. steamengine

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    Damn I wish we were getting them in Houston
     
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  5. RJF-GUMP

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    My partner send a demand on an arm fx mva with sx mmi completely healed in 2 months. Demand was $220k. They just accepted it no counter. Never heard of that
     
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  6. Gallant Knight

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    We send every first demand for policy limits
     
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  7. CF3234

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    This. You should be fine Jigga
     
  8. RJF-GUMP

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    Me too. I also run MEA searches often. I like knowing early what the limits are .
     
  9. bricktop

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    My clients are even more furious at having to repay the loan companies they took funding from.

    I should start having them sign a letter before i approve the funding.
     
  10. Gallant Knight

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    We just say policy limits in th demand so they have to make the first move
     
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  11. RJF-GUMP

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    same.
     
  12. (Z)

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    I’d be crying for not asking for more now.
     
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  13. Nug

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    We have clients sign an agreement that theyre taking out a loan against the lawyer's advice. Every time.
     
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  14. herb.burdette

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    Not sure about FL, but if someone dies without a will, state statutes dictate who gets paid from the estate. Even with no contact, as a child of the deceased, you could get money automatically.
     
  15. CF3234

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    Same in Florida. I think Jigga was more worried about debts
     
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  16. Gallant Knight

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    I’m so fucking sick of these tort reform losers constantly lying to the public

     
  17. Oranjello

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    Proofreading and simplifying/clarifying is an area where ChatGPT/LLMs shine, shermfirm:

    Here’s a simplified and clearer version of your message:

    I looked into this. The man owns a trucking company called Texas Transeastern. Since 2020, they’ve been sued 20 times in Harris County.

    I reviewed the police reports for each case:

    • In 10 cases, the police found Texas Transeastern’s drivers at fault.

    • In 3 cases, the drivers were not at fault.

    • In 3 cases, the reports contained conflicting accounts.

    • In 4 cases, no police report was available.
    Of the 3 lawsuits where their drivers were not at fault, the company won 2, and the third is still pending.

    The system works—don’t let these trucking companies mislead you about the facts.
     
  18. Oranjello

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    Not that it matters. After a bit of poking and prodding Harvey.ai, I’m becoming more and more convinced lawyers will need to strategically pivot or be replaced. And with quantum computing on the horizon, the latter may be more realistic than the former.

    That said, AI is great for some things. It’s awesome for my nonprofit clients in that it allows for much more cost efficient work.

    Not great for billing hours, tho.
     
  19. Gallant Knight

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    Sweet I copy and pasted that
     
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  20. Oranjello

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    That’ll be 45% plz and thx
     
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  21. RJF-GUMP

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    I heard Harvey.ai is expensive . Is it a general AI platform like chatgpt where you can just ask things and it responds ? I'm curious if there is a platform like chatgpt that is just better than chatgpt for trial lawyers at least. Obviously chat gpt makes up citations. I'm less worried about that. I mean it would be cool if it wouldn't . I can find my own cases. More worried about advanced medical legal and litigation reasoning.
     
  22. Oranjello

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    They do free demos and trials
     
  23. Brandon Chicken

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    A friend of mine I worked with at my old firm, and a guy who, up until now, had a stellar reputation, is in deep shit with a federal judge for including fake chatgpt cases in a filing. It's been all over the news. He has a show cause hearing this morning.

    https://www.al.com/news/2025/05/did...-to-file-motions-the-judge-wants-answers.html

    https://www.al.com/news/2025/05/hig...r-ai-snafu-throw-colleague-under-the-bus.html
     
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  24. Brandon Chicken

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    It seems like it has a long way to go for litigators but I admittedly never use it so I'm not fully aware of everything that it can do.
     
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  25. Sammy Meatballs

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    I have zero trust in any of the AI stuff for lawyers at this point.

    I am officially a boomer I think.
     
  26. Brandon Chicken

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    Same.
     
  27. El Tiburon

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    I use AI for limited purposes. It’s decent for banging out a quick chronology of records, or for putting together a motion/memorandum in rough draft form. Like, organizing the sequence of arguments and intro paragraphs and stuff. But to use it effectively you absolutely have to give it good prompts. If you suck at identifying issues, you’ll get garbage results.
     
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  28. CF3234

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    One of my associates uses it for summarizing depos and other things that don't get filed, but yeah, with all the horror stories of Chat GPT making up case law, I'm not using AI to draft stuff for me that will be filed anytime soon.
     
  29. herb.burdette

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    Some federal judges are requiring a certification that no part of your brief was written by AI, put it right there with your word count certification.
     
  30. Nug

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    Ai ain't replacing ambulance chasers any time soon.

    Pretty sure they've already replaced low-level adjusters.
     
  31. Oranjello

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    Agree with this. AI is great for pulling info from a large set of documents, running queries against a large/common set of document, spotting trends, re-configuring information into a more manageable form, etc. It's a large language model, not necessarily a research tool.

    Yesterday I asked it to analyze 700 pages of statutes and create a chart with citations and a brief description of context of each and every instance a specific phrase appeared. It created a chart with 100% accuracy in less than 5 minutes.

    I also "had a conversation" with it about a corporate proposal and asked various questions about compliance with law and governing documents. In doing so, it made suggestions I hadn't considered and also phrased things in a way that caused me to look at things in a different light. It also omitted things I thought extremely important. But for me it's like working with a 3rd year associate in that I have a good idea of the answer before I ask the question.
     
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  32. herb.burdette

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    I don’t do any personal lines coverage, but I’ve always wondered what stops an insurer from using AI to look for traffic accident reports and make offers on low limit policies before the plaintiffs’ bar signs them up.
     
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  33. Gallant Knight

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    Have to verify various things in Texas to get nonredacted reports so that wouldn’t work here.
     
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  34. herb.burdette

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    If an at fault driver shows proof of insurance, is carrier name redacted?

    If not, seems like the industry could pool resources easily and then direct targeted inquiries when individual carriers are flagged.

    Find out the driver before they even notice the claim.

    Run small claims through modelling to make offers just about what a policy limits demand minus plaintiff attorney contingency fee would be.
     
  35. Gallant Knight

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    Abundantly clear you’ve never worked in personal lines lol

    they offer 500-1500 for the swoop and settle shit here
     
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  36. Nug

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    I think that does happen a lot, not sure of whether they utilize AI. Probably half of my PNCs are, "they were offering me like $1,000, I thought I should talk to a lawyer first."

    I think your model could work if they would make legit offers, but they're just trying to resolve for pennies on the dollar.
     
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  37. El Tiburon

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    I’m not even sure that storyboard makes sense.
     
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  38. El Tiburon

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    Why is justice served if the insurance company is still on its feet? And is she 7’6” or does she only represent pygmies?
     
  39. Gallant Knight

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    if the insurance company punches your car, pegah will punch them
     
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  40. El Tiburon

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    Also, it needs more avocado.
     
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  41. Gallant Knight

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    truly an embarrassing lack of avocado in that illustration
     
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  42. CF3234

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    her clients are children obviously
     
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  43. bwi2

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    right before they serve you with justice too
     
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  44. Sammy Meatballs

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    why does the insurance company look like future united states president jb pritzker
     
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  45. harvey birdman

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    Why does she want people to hit her?
     
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  46. The Banks

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    Pritzker is like 5’6” so that woman’s height seems fair
     
  47. herb.burdette

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    I have a client who used to collect bad plaintiff attorney ads, then distribute a top ten every year around the holidays.

    His insurer-employer made him stop.

    Terrible world.
     
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  48. wes tegg

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    What does PEGAME mean?