LeBron has some words to say

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  1. IHHH

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    It’s not even something that you should compare. It’s ridiculous . Even in a metaphor it’s ridiculous. Nobody is forced to work for an owner. Leveon Bell comes to mind

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  2. IHHH

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    This is so stupid, especially in this thread
     
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    do we need to install a breathalyzer for your computer
     
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    It would be a good idea, i get sucked in way too hard

    Whenever I get a bit tipsy I lower to your level and it never ends too well for you
     
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  5. fsudan

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    :laugh:

    This was adorable.

    You Fucking racist. Nowhere did I say anything about race, you read that into it because you're a racist
     
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  7. Jay Jay Okocha

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    It isn’t semantics.

    You are equivocating infidelity to a demand for civil rights.

    The point LeBron James is trying to make is about control. Control includes economic power, that is the reality. The players in the pro sports in the US have a significant amount of power. Chinese sweat shop workers do not. I’ve never seen any professional athlete take any form of position on that and those contracts are entirely divorced from their relationships with their pro teams. Why don’t they speak up?

    James POV comes from living in pro sports. Does James go around to every employer saying they are slave minded because they have employment policies, social media policies et al?

    My issue is this idea that pro sports players want their cake and to eat it too. The NFL PA get away with a lot of shit about concussions relative to the NFL. The NFL PA are partners with the league, they sit around the table with them in lots of crucial decisions and committees. They had far more knowledge about it all than the media suggested at the time. The NFLPA are there in discussions over the anthems, over Goodel’s power of suspensions, about new concussion protocols...look at what the NFLPA actually are involved in.

    Is it perfect? Absolutely not, but slave minded doesn’t meet the facts at hand and shows a complete ignorance of what his actions elsewhere do.
     
  8. g8r

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    I like how he makes sure everyone know the owners are old white guys. As if a old black guy would run their team differently.

    God forbid that people who laid out tremendous amounts of capital to purchase/improve their teams and carry the risk of loss shouldn’t have the ability to a) reap a return greater than their employees, b) set standards for their employees actions, c) dismiss employees who no longer fit/agree with company values.

    His comment carries a shadow of his personal prejudice/racism. Just because the race to which you belong is/was subjected to racist actions doesn’t give freedom to be/say racist things yourself.

    It is sickening that we are in a place that people arguing for equality say very discriminatory things themselves.
     
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    Also let’s not pretend that if a large portion of us were to get on social media and blast our company/boss, openly were insubordinate, undermined our leadership that we wouldn’t be thrown out on our ass. To be honest that is how it should be.
     
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  11. fsudan

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    But you aren't black so your words are meaningless because you cannot possibly understand

    Pretty much where we're at
     
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  12. dblplay1212

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    Lebron doesn't tell the luggage guy what social issues he can and can't support. That's the difference. Paying someone to do a job doesn't mean you own them.
     
  13. dblplay1212

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    "They pay them a lot so it's ok that they take away their 1st amendment rights. They can quit at work at McDonald's if they want them back."

    Neat.
     
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    :facepalm:
     
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  15. IHHH

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    I agree with that, the nfl/teams trying to control the players is wrong
     
  16. dblplay1212

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    Have you even watched The Shop or did you just see the Tweet?
     
  17. dblplay1212

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    If you watched the show, that's what he was referring to. His follow up sentence was that he appreciated that Adam Silver and the NBA allowed the players to be active on social issues that they believed in.
     
  18. IHHH

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    No
     
  19. dblplay1212

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    You should probably do that before going on rants. There was a lot more to it than what was in that tweet.
     
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    Fair enough, and maybe my tone isn’t working well here but it was not a rant. Just arguing. But you are right, these are sensitive issues and I don’t know enough about the situation to really comment.
     
  21. dblplay1212

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  22. IrishLAX2

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    That’s literally the way it is in any privately-owned business in America.
     
  23. dblplay1212

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    My job doesn't tell me what social issues I can support. Does yours?

    In fact, my job has internal sounding boards where I can say the issues I care about and they pick a few yearly to support financially.
     
  24. g8r

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    Bullshit argument. Nobody took away anyone’s first amendment rights. However they understand there may be consequences for the words they say.

    Also it is every bosses right to demand we act a certain way WHILE AT WORK meaning if they don’t want you taking social stands WHILE AT WORK then don’t do it. If you do there may be consequences. This applies as every job. If we don’t like it we can find somewhere that doesn’t have those standards.
     
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  25. fsudan

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    what the fuck are you even talking about you stupid fuck
     
  26. dblplay1212

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    No, it really doesn't. A guy at my job wore a Kaepernick jersey every Friday for jersey day. It was clear what stand he was talking and nobody ever said a word.

    If the owners agreed with their stand, they would have allowed it. It wasnt making a stand that was wrong, it was making a stand that the owners didn't like. That's where the slave mentality comes from.

    Again, watch the video. His next sentence was giving appreciation to Silver for listening to them even if it's an issue he doesnt agree with.
     
  27. fsudan

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    :pffft:
     
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  28. IrishLAX2

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    - I work for a publically-owned company, so it’s very much different than the NFL. There is also competition in my industry so I can move to a different company in the space if I want to.

    - When we were privately owned, my employer held the rights to discipline me if I used their platform as their employee to push an issue they didn’t agree with. I could do it on my own without repercussion, but not in the workplace and not in their name. I probably still can’t now that we’re a public entity either.

    The overall issue here happens to be two things - employee treatment in privately owned companies and monopolies. This isn’t a race issue. It’s an issue for every employee that works for a private entity and doesn’t have anywhere else to do the job they want to do with comparable compensation. If LBJ wants to support those types of people and make a change in the country, I actually think that’s a commendable action on his part. I just don’t think his way of going about it is going to get the results he desires. Using millionaire athletes that play a game for a living isn’t going to pull at the heart strings of the American people. Not many people view professional athletes as disadvantaged in America based on their compensation. For that reason, I think he’s better suited using a more relatable industry that the American public can get behind.
     
  29. fsudan

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    dblplay1212 went on a hate-filled racist rant on TMB where he actually called a black guy a n*gger. People forget that
     
  30. dblplay1212

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    So basically he makes a lot of money so he cant complain. He just has to take the check and deal with it.

    I disagree.
     
  31. IrishLAX2

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    That’s not what I’m saying at all.

    I’m saying his viewpoints are commendable, but his execution could be a lot more practical.
     
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  32. dblplay1212

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    He cant use an industry he doesnt work in. And let's be honest, nobody would listen to a random factory worker.
     
  33. IrishLAX2

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    He absolutely can stand up for workers in any industry he wants, and use his popularity to try to better the situations of literally anyone.

    Shit, in this case he’s standing up for employees of an employer he doesn’t work for. He’s not in the NFL.
     
  34. dblplay1212

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    Going back to this comment, it's just wrong. That's the point he was making. The NFL and NBA handle it completely different. If you watch the video, you'll see that was his point.
     
  35. dblplay1212

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    He didn't sit down with a plan to make a stand on this subject. They were having a conversation and he made a statement. Watch the video.
     
  36. b7

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    Did the NBA handle the dress code differently or did they think the way players were showing up was bad for business?
     
  37. IrishLAX2

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    Well the NBA actually has a bit of competition to deal with when it comes to professional basketball. Players can leave for Europe for stupid money if they want to. Granted, it’s not a crazy amount of competition but it’s enough to keep the NBA in line, at least to a tiny degree.

    The NFL doesn’t really have it the same. There’s no other league out there that can compete for its players in any way. So for that reason, the owners have way more leverage. That’s the sad truth.

    Questions for you - do you watch any other professional football leagues outside the NFL? Do you attend their games, buy their merchandise, etc? Do you stop watching the NFL based on your perception of how owners treat players?

    If your answer to any of those questions is no, you’re perpetuating the issue Lebron is trying to stand against. The American consumer is just as complicit in American sports monopolies as the owners are. If we actually want to see a change, we need to force it by changing our consumption habits.
     
  38. dblplay1212

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    Adam Silver did away with it.
     
  39. IrishLAX2

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    Well that’s the issue. He one-off dove into a super provocative issue using emotion-filled language without putting much thought into it. That tone is going to disenfranchise people, even if they actually agree with his sentiment.

    His message wasn’t an issue. His messaging was.
     
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  40. b7

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    Didn't know that.
     
  41. dblplay1212

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    Nba players can now where what they want and are huge in fashion bc of it.
     
  42. dblplay1212

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    Good talk. Going shopping with fam.
     
  43. fsudan

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    :laugh:
     
  44. g8r

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    They could play Canadian or euro if they felt that strong about it. Also they could go do something else entirely.
     
  45. g8r

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    They own the team. Of course they can dictate what is allowed or not allowed AT WORK. Good lord how hard is that to understand. They are on the clock they have to act in a manner their bosses approve, or find another employer/field.
     
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    This post is a massive piece of garbage
     
  47. dblplay1212

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    "Well they dont have to work there!" is a beyond ignorant comment. People said the same shit about about segregation in the south. Blacks should have just moved north, right? Women that are harrassed at work. Just find another job? I'm sure you'd tell your wife or daughter that instead of speaking up about improper actions.
     
  48. dblplay1212

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    They own the team. They can legally do whatever they want. That doesnt mean they shouldn't catch shit when they do fucked up shit. Pointing out that the owners in the NBA have handled issues much better than owners in the NFL isnt a hot take. It's just speaking a fact.
     
  49. IrishLAX2

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    Literally nobody said that when blacks were enslaved in the South. Because they didn’t have the choice to do that.
     
  50. dblplay1212

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    I said segregation, not slavery. Blacks in the south in the 60s could have moved north. Thankfully many stayed and forced change instead.
     
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