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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by afb, Dec 22, 2018.
Yep. Was typing fast and forgot that key word.
Did all this happen because of him voicing his opinion on social media or in interviews or on his own time? Or because he was doing stuff his boss told him not to do on the field, which equates to the workplace of an NFL player?
Both, but what's your point? I was responding to a post who says that he thought that NFL owners treat their players equally as well as NBA owners, and owners in other sports, treat their players. The fact that he's being "blackballed" due to a peaceful demonstration of racial injustice certainly contradicts that sentiment (especially when NBA players have conducted similar demonstrations at work), which was the point of my post that you quoted.
I don’t watch NBA games until the last couple playoff series. Honest question what peaceful demonstrations have they done on the court?
And you can’t say one organization has to let their employees do something just because another one in the industry does. That’s a little silly.
Ok, I fully understand what you are saying and get it.
However, what I meant by treating them the same as any league or corporation. Employees are basically allowed to do whatever they want until it negatively affects the bottom line. The NFL and NBA have different customers. Things that affect NFL profits might not affect NBA profits or even have the opposite affect. Both leagues want to make as much money as possible so they treat there employees as such.
A lot, but players around the league wore "I Can't Breathe" t-shirts to protest the deaths of Eric Garner and Michael Brown at the hands of police in 2014. There have been several others since.
And the second part misses the point of my post once again. Never once did I say an organization didn't have the right to employ who it wants to employ. But that doesn't mean that said employers can't look like out-of-touch jackasses while doing that.
I agree that the NBA and NFL have different customer bases and the NBA base is quite a bit more liberal than the NFL one. That being said, the NFL prints money and the protests weren't costing them anything, so I disagree with that sentiment. What I do believe is that the NFL has more of an "old money" group of owners who either don't understand or don't care as much about what the players are protesting about while the NBA owners are more "new money," which is why they're more tolerant of their players using their platforms to speak out.
I think the out of touch part is where many NFL fans might disagree with you. Out of touch with you or others sure, but the majority of their customer base? They want to make money. Not because they are old white men with a slave mentally, but because they are old white business owners.
I agree with you with the second part, not sure about the first . I believe they both don’t understand or care. They care about money. Just like most businesses. Right or wrong they think they made a good business decision.
I think the NFL at least thought it would have a negative impact that’s why they squashed it.
The first part I was talking about the fans. So I'm really not sure what you're trying to argue.
You're making a lot of assumptions and excuses for the actions of the NFL owners while dismissing the actions of the NBA owners.
Interesting to note, the NBA has made standing for the anthem a league rule since the 1980s.
I am saying the NFL thinks or thought the protest would affect their bottom line and fan base negatively. That’s why they didn’t want it. Not because they are racist.
I think money was the driving factor here not race.
Does anybody sit? I honestly do not know.
riddle me this
if you're assuming your fan base is reacting negatively due to racism and work to get rid of whatever the initiating reason is
is that being racist
And that makes it better, how? And one doesn't have to be a outward racist to act in a way that suppresses dialogue about racial problems because it's inconvenient.
What assumptions and excuses am I making? Only assumption I am making is that I don’t think they base these types of things on race, but more so on money. I could absolutely be wrong. Maybe I give people to much of the benefit of doubt when it comes to being a racist. But I absolutely don’t trust a business owner to do what’s in the best interest of anybody other than themself and/or the business, any business.
You asked a question and then answered it.
I'd prefer billionaire owners to care more about being on the right side of history, to care more about their legacy, than making a few extra bucks by keeping a racist minority happy and watching their games. Shame on them for not.
that’s fine, and I agree shame on them, but are they racist?
Assumptions and excuses is plural. I provided one and Said I may or may not be correct.
Maybe, maybe not. I'm not going to assume either way. I damn sure cant say they aren't though. They had a chance to make that clear and they passed.
You made an assumption and excuse for why the NFL owners did it. You make an assumption and excuse as to why the NBA did it differently. That's two. Plural.
What if they are not assuming the reactions are due to racism, but rather people thinking the protests are disrespectful to the flag and they don’t like that.
didn't anyone ever tell you not to answer a question with a question
Then they are dumber than dirt.
So because you can’t say someone is not a racist it is ok to call or insinuate that they are. Because that is kind of what started this thread.
I agree, but do you get out much?
Nobody called them racist. Slave mentality does not mean racist. It means you think you own someone.
racism as currently realized was invented to create room for oppressive and inhumane suffering inflicted by capital without widespread push back by the general population
deciding whether capital acting in the interests of what they created is explicitly racist or not is a fun game tho, kind of the cousin argument of "gotta say the n-word to be racist" which gets pivoted to hard r or nah?
Old white men with a slave mentality is not insinuating racism?
Lyrtch said it better than I can.
lol @ anyone that really thinks people were mad about the flag. It was a convenient excuse rather than saying a black man was doing something they didnt like.
I didnt take it that way. Have you even watched the video for full context or did you just read a tweet?
with their “random” drug tests and their fines, the NFL is being hella transparent with their attempts to blackball eric reid
this league is so fucking stupid
If you aren't racist but you're complicit in keeping racists happy bc it makes you a few bucks, you're no better than the racists.
They think they are on the good side
man some people need to understand what the phrase hot take means
i guess I just didn’t realize racism was as rampant as it is. Racist comments here and there sure, but making business decisions based on racism really kind of surprises me. I apologize for my ignorance guys. I’ll just read and learn from here. Thanks a lot!
Good call, but hot take is not a phrase. It’s a saying
im going to bed
i get that this is your second language but “hot take” is 100% a phrase, man
Then a phrase is not the same in French and English, a phrase =a sentence . Meaning that without a verb it’s not a phrase or a sentence
Just did a quick research and you are right, nice to know
This thread has taken many forms and none of them are pleasant
The noun(subject) of the phrase is implied. It is (my, your,our) hot take. I guess the verb is also implied.
glad we’ve learned something
Late nights on this board are always very helpful to my all around knowledge of this world.
Come to think of it is the “take “ the noun or the verb.
No, and the league/player reps reminded everyone that they would continue to abide by the rule during the NFL controversies. The NBA has a lot more goodwill between ownership, the unions, and the players themselves so the mandate sailed through without a hitch.
The NBA is a lot more progressive and player-friendly than the NFL in virtually every aspect, so it’s an apples-to-oranges comparison, but it is rather ironic that a league with the NBA’s reputation for social progress nixed the idea of sitting for the national anthem without taking a single hit while the NFL was consumed by a firestorm for allowing it, however short lived.
I like how we have to make a distinction between actions that are racist for the sake of racism and actions that are racist for the sake of making money.
As if that distinction fucking matters at all.