Libertarian Thread

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  1. *DIESEL*

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  2. Bo Pelinis

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    In the context of healthcare, imagine the liberty of employment movement if one were to uncouple healthcare coverage from employment. And if the entire country could make their economic decisions untethered from healthcare benefits, image the liberty! Imagine the economic growth and business growth if employers didn't need to fuck with healthcare benefits at all. An activity that helps the business 0% unless you're talking about attracting good employees but is otherwise a complete waste of company resources.

    But alas government healthcare is oppression and taxation is theft.
     
  3. Lyrtch

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    You should still be able to have an argument for what a libertarian solution would be or what you would want a candidate to support doing.
     
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  4. Iron Mickey

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    how much of a baby do you have to be to look at something like the ACA push and be like "gosh they tried their darnedest but just couldn't figure it out" instead of being like "wow a few corrupt people gutted this thing to protect profits"
     
  5. Rabid

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    I agree the methods of payment is pretty fucked up. The context of the current inflation in Argentina is enlightening.
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    Or the value of their currency since the global financial crisis.
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    It’s shocking really.
     
  6. Redav

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    The libertarian dude in Argentina also wants to make it illegal for workers to strike. Basically taking away their only negotiating leverage. I guess that's not limiting freedoms either.
     
  7. Iron Mickey

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    I wonder if someone in the financial core profited from the destruction of the Argentinian peso
     
  8. Lyrtch

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    Striking violates the NAP
     
  9. Iron Mickey

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    and somehow paying people in tomatoes doesn't

    it's like there's this weird pattern to what libertarians will support and what they won't
     
  10. Redav

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    You not working violates nap. Me taking you to jail because you didn't work, does not
     
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  11. VaxRule

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    It’s also fine to say, “the concept of libertarianism appeals to me and I think it should be our goal to limit the power of the state, but I recognize that the power of large corporations is also very bad and that libertarianism can never solve the global warming or healthcare crises.”
     
  12. Bo Pelinis

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    I'd extend global warming to environmental and wildlife issues
     
  13. Rabid

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    You charge people and companies for the pollution they cause. This embeds the cost in the price.
     
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  14. Buns

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    This thread has been at the top of page one for day now. In an effort to understand tmb demographics, is there a list of libertarians here?


    Just so I can laugh at them ofc.
     
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  15. BellottiBold

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    They pay for it
    What now
     
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  16. cutig

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    Nothing they paid their fine so problem solved
     
  17. Redav

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    Who sets how much they pay? Who compells them to pay it?
     
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  18. Iron Mickey

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    how does one quantify and make transparent “caused pollution”
     
  19. brolift

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  20. Iron Mickey

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  22. Iron Mickey

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    lmao
     
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  23. Bo Pelinis

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    Anyone who seriously claims libertarianism has any reasonable solution to environmental issues can't possibly know history.
     
  24. Bo Pelinis

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    Like, even when I had a cup off coffee with libertarianism and tried really hard to convince myself that there's a free market solution to pollution I couldn't get past the fact that the EPA exists for a reason and most species in the U.S. didn't go extinct because of government intervention.
     
  25. Iron Mickey

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    dont forget the Grand Canyon as a low rent mine and tourist trap
     
  26. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    For a group of people who suppose themselves to be "realists," they possess the most magical thinking I've seen outside of my kids' Montessori preschool
     
  27. Iron Mickey

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    that’s ideology baby. the ones who think they’re the most pragmatic are always the most idealistic.
     
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  28. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    But, even more specific to this ideology.

    If I let myself be charitable and think for a sec that libertarianism isn't just low key sociopathy, then it's just the most absurdly esoteric theory of all. There's almost zero empirical support for it, and yet so fervently advocated for above, like, all of these very real, observable current societal systems of our peer nations that have far better outcomes than ours.
     
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  29. Iron Mickey

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    nothing more pragmatic than ignoring reality
     
  30. pnk$krtcrÿnästÿ

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    As an aside, Rabid, thanks for the personal anecdote. Fwiw, you're a good dude and a good dad, sounds like you think all babies and families should get the care they deserve. There is no libertarian solution to that. Tending to the health of children is a sacred collective burden. That's not a burden for the individual.
     
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  32. Truman

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    im not sure how Argentina gets out of this one tbh. They were in an untenable bad spot before, but Milei is what acellerationists dreams are made of.
     
  33. Redav

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    At least he told everyone he was going to tank the economy before he did it.
     
  34. skiedfrillet

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    But they had a surplus this month!
     
  35. BudKilmer

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    DEREGULATION!

    (Millions die and or are impoverished)


    WHOOPSIE DAISY
     
  36. Rabid

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    I love that he became President in December (because of an economic mess that is decades in the making)and people are like, look at the people in poverty in January.
     
  37. Fran Tarkenton

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    same with ppl who blamed Obama for a bad economy after inheriting the great recession

    blaming Biden for russia/covid inflation he inherited
     
  38. Rabid

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    100% on Obama.

    Inflation was climbing when Biden came in to office but he exacerbated it with his American Relief Plan.
     
  39. Name P. Redacted

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    Lyrtch
     
  40. Fran Tarkenton

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    what? the Inflation data today is better than where it would have been under any Republican potus

    lazy to make that claim when you can't play it out without a global pandemic and russian war
     
  41. Fran Tarkenton

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    this type of delusion is what I find inflationary

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  42. Rabid

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  43. Rabid

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    I’m not sure what point you’re making.
     
  44. steamengine

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    As someone who works very closely with many of the largest companies in the country who actually do stuff (not banks) in the world, this isn’t true. They love the investments currently happening and the way the government. Has structured them.
     
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  45. El Tiburon

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    You’re like one post away from a “bUt THe PRicE oF EgGs!!!!!” response.
     
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  46. Rabid

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    What does this mean and in what does it have to do with what I wrote?

    Edit: I think you mean the Inflation Reduction Act (which doesn’t reduce inflation but is different than the American Relief Plan that sent out $1400 checks).
     
  47. glimmer

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    we should all get $1400 checks for the entirety of our lives imo
     
  48. Lyrtch

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    He's a libertarian reality doesn't matter it's step 1 of their ideology
     
  49. Lyrtch

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    US had lower and less sticky inflation than every peer economy. Big W for the government on how it was handled.
     
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  50. BudKilmer

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    Rabid has those Chicago boys style fantasies huh. When my brain functioned like a child I thought transformers could be real , keep chopping wood buddy