LFC: We Conquered All of Europe, Now We’ve Stopped

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  1. Quick

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  2. YNWA

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    Is this real life
     
  3. London Humphreys

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  6. Wicket

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    yeah, thats at least identifying a problem and fixing it. Would love some more defensive and defensive midfield presence and 1 more winger but the FO has made good strides for sure
     
  7. danny2430

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    Liking everything today

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  8. Wicket

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    for the perfect window fekir needs to happen as well. It'd finally give us depth. Not city or united depth but close to chelsea depth
     
  9. Wicket

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    just a thought, you ideally want to be 2 deep everywhere at an acceptable level. That way you can have rotation and actually stomach injuries/suspensions, nice to see how far we are off achieving that assuming Allison actually happens

    GK: Allison, Karius/Mignolet Quality
    LB: Robertson, Moreno Acceptable
    CB1: VvD, Matip Quality
    CB2: Lovren, Klavan Subpar
    RB: Trent, Clyne, Gomez Excellent
    CDM: Fabinho, Milner Quality
    CM: Henderson, Wijnaldum Acceptable
    BtBM: Keita, Ox, Llalana Excellent
    LW: Mane, Woodburn Subpar
    Str: Firminho, Origi, Sturridge, Solanke, Ings Acceptable
    RW: Salah, Shaqiri Excellent

    obviously this is assuming noone leaves that we dont expect yet. Still looks to me we need another winger (or if you see ox as an option on the wings we need 1 more body in the midfield. Still it feels good to see that you can actually build a team when scrapping all the true starters thats still good enough to trouble plenty a team
     
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  10. Illinihockey

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    Me reading Twitter this morning was that exact Vince McMahon gif.

    Liverpool leading the race for alisson
    Liverpool look to increase offer to seal the deal
    Klopp speaks with alisson who has his heart set on LFC



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  11. Illinihockey

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    I am also fine with this working in reverse
     
  12. YNWA

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    Allison was the signing we needed more. We already have the best window of any English team.
     
  13. Frank Martin

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    It really is a great time to be a Liverpool supporter.
     
  14. Illinihockey

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    There was just no way back for Karius after that Final. I hope they loan him back to Germany. Maybe he can play well and recoup his value. I'd sell Migs, loan Karius, keep Ward.
     
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  15. Illinihockey

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    You guys probably read these stats already but

    Indeed, Alisson made a whopping 155 saves in all competitions last season – only overworked Verona goalkeeper Nicolas made more across Europe's big-five leagues. The Brazilian also boasted the third-best save percentage (79.26) across the continent, just below those of Manchester United No.1 David De Gea (80.28%) and Jan Oblak (82.68%).

    However, his distribution stats were of greater significance, as Alisson has always been a fine shot-stopper. When he first broke into the Brazil squad, the one major criticism levelled at him was that he was poor with the ball at his feet.

    Last term, no goalkeeper completed more sweeper-keepings (51) in all competitions, while only Gianluigi Donnarumma (1135) racked up more successful passes than Alisson (1125).
     
  16. Illinihockey

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    Assuming all goes to plan from here on out. I'm very heartened by the fact that we didn't do what we used to where we bid 62, they want 66 and we dick around over peanuts while some other team comes in and complicates or hijacks the transfer.
     
  17. roonskie

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  18. YNWA

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    Fuck yes!
     
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  19. Illinihockey

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    I had totally given up on the idea of not just getting him but getting a keeper at all. I can't remember a transfer for a big player who had his heart set on a team (Real Madrid) but they passed and then that player came to us. Pretty crazy how this worked out and how fast it worked out. This wasn't even on my radar as a possibility at this time yesterday.
     
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  20. BPDuncan

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  21. Illinihockey

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    Really praying they can overlook Fekir's knee and get him in now.
     
  22. El_Pato

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  23. chuckmasterflex

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    Sure glad Karius dropped that shot against Tranmere.
     
  24. Quick

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    This whole go out and spend big on our biggest need is pretty cool
     
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  26. Illinihockey

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    We've clearly had the worst goalkeepers in all of the Premier League since the final year of Reina to present right?

    Old Reina getting beat near post, Brad Jones diving the wrong way, Mignolet flapping at crosses, Bogdan conceding directly from corners, Mignolet again flapping at crosses, Karius spilling everything, Mignolet again flapping at crosses, Karius spilling everything again. I think Danny Ward may have had a game or two in there.
     
  27. Paddy Murphy

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    Good time to ask for recommendations about getting tickets and gameday experience for a yank going abroad? I am planning to go to the Chelsea game at Anfield on April 13.
     
  28. swiggle

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    I was preparing myself for something to happen with Chelsea swooping in at the last minute, but sounds like its really going to happen.

     
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  29. derfish

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    Hope there’s nothing wrong with his knee....
     
  30. Illinihockey

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    You guys will want to read this
     
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  31. swiggle

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    Well great, now I have an erection.
     
  32. swiggle

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    Fucking sucks that it sounds like Ox will miss the whole or majority of the season.
     
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  34. Quick

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    Must sign Fekir now
     
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    Shhhhhocker.
     
  37. London Humphreys

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    I am shocked, asshole.
     
  38. El_Pato

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    Ball hits the defender, nevermind
     
  39. chuckmasterflex

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    That explains why an attacking midfielder was targeted ahead of a winger.

    Interested if there is anything to the idea that they are going to try and play Sturridge deeper.
     
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  40. London Humphreys

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  41. Andy Reocho

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    Out of curiosity, who all counts as homegrown? TAA, Milner, Sturridge, and Henderson jump out at me. Curious who else
     
  42. Quick

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    Clyne, Danny Ward, Ings, Woodburn, Lallana, Ox
     
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  43. Quick

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    I’d be fine with it honestly. Still love me some Sturridge.
     
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  44. Illinihockey

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    Didn't we already know this when they said it was his ACL?
     
  45. animal_mother

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    Sucks for Ox. Was really hoping to see him the 2nd half of the season.
     
  46. El_Pato

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    After asking this question about a week ago, i found this article

    Liverpool’s homegrown players, meeting the quotas & Klopp’s room to manoeuvre this summer
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    Liverpool have already been active in the transfer market and rumours continue over new players—but do they need more homegrown options?

    New signings are great. Fabinho‘s arrival yielded excitement, surprise and anticipation—and we’ve been waiting for Naby Keita for a year.

    Then there are the rumours: Nabil Fekir, Alisson, Ousmane Dembele, Jan Oblak, Jasper Cillessen, Xherdan Shaqiri.

    What do they have in common? They’d all count in Liverpool’s squad toward non-homegrown players, or non-locally trained.

    While the genetic makeup of the squad doesn’t matter in player terms, there are rules to follow.



    What counts?
    There are two aspects to look at: the Premier League and the Champions League.

    In both cases, the Reds are allowed a 25-man squad. There’s an additional allowance in Europe, but more on that in a moment.

    For domestic league purposes, the Reds have to name eight ‘homegrown’ players in their 25-man squad. If a team doesn’t have eight, they can’t name all 25 allowed spaces.

    Homegrown here means trained in (on the books of) an English club for at least three years before they turn 21. Nationality is irrelevant.

    This only applies to players aged 21 and over; any amount of under-21s can be used.

    In Europe, it’s slightly different.

    The Reds have to allocate at least four ‘club-trained’ players (three years between ages 15-21) and eight ‘association-trained’ players altogether in the 25.

    So, Connor Randall who is now 22, would count as both a club-trained option andan association-trained one, but Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, who signed at age 24, is only an association-trained player.

    In addition to this European 25 on what is called List A, the Reds can submit an unlimited number of under-21 players on List B.



    Head count
    The Reds have lots of homegrown options right now, but we have to accept that not all will be part of the squad once the season starts.

    Jon Flanagan has left and Randall won’t be considered, for starters.

    Then there is Daniel Sturridge: he counts as association-trained, but having played a minimal role under Klopp it’s unlikely he’ll remain a Liverpool player past this summer.

    The ‘guaranteed’ first-team faces include more than a dozen names at this point, though it could all change long before August.




      • Goalkeeper: Ward
      • Defenders: Clyne, Gomez, Alexander-Arnold
      • Midfielders: Lallana, Henderson, Milner, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ojo
      • Forwards: Sturridge, Ings, Solanke, Woodburn, Wilson
    Under-21s aren’t usually registered—the Reds didn’t name the likes of right-back star Trent Alexander-Arnold last term—so we’re down to eight.

    Gomez will not need to be registered this term, nor Solanke, Ojo, Wilson or Woodburn.



    Non-homegrowns
    Precisely 12 of the first-team squad from 2017/18 (who remain) are not classified as homegrown, and added to those ranks is Marko Grujic after a loan spell.




      • Goalkeepers: Mignolet, Karius
      • Defenders: Matip, Van Dijk, Klavan, Lovren, Robertson, Moreno
      • Midfielders: Grujic, Wijnaldum
      • Forwards: Mane, Firmino, Salah
    That 13 would all need to be registered, being 22 or over, leaving 12 spaces in the squad of 25.

    That’s fine for the Premier League: eight nationally trained and 13 non-locally trained is only 21 players, leaving a further four spaces.

    In theory, those four spaces could be filled by new signings who have never set foot in the country without any problem—but in Europe, it’s a different matter.



    Summer homework
    Just one of the Reds’ eight homegrown players are club-trained: third-choice stopper Danny Ward.

    That’s an issue which will, in time, be solved should the likes of Alexander-Arnold, Gomez and Woodburn continue their progress.

    For now, it effectively limits the number of players the Reds can name in their Champions League List A to a maximum of 22, leaving three spaces for club-trained players.

    One way around that would be to sign former players who did train with the Reds between 15 and 21.

    Suso of AC Milan, Man City‘s Raheem Sterling or Crystal Palace‘s Martin Kelly are examples of such, at different levels.

    Otherwise, if there’s a maximum of 22 players in the squad and as above there are currently 21, it means just one new addition can come in before compromises need to be made.

    It’s widely expected the Reds will add Xherdan Shaqiri, for example.

    He’d take the tally to 22—after that, it would have to be one in, one out.

    Klopp does have some flexibility here though, given the names we’ve included in our 22.

    Sturridge may not have a future, there remain rumours over Marko Grujic leaving the club, Mignolet may depart for first-team football and others could follow.

    In the case of any of those players, Klopp could replace them with new signings, regardless of homegrown status.

    Even though Sturridge is nationally trained, he is effectively an extra: only four are required and any additional players don’t count toward the club-trained slots.

    It means there’s plenty of room for manoeuvre yet for Klopp in the transfer market and with regard to keeping his options open, particularly if Ward is made second-choice goalkeeper and an Academy stopper—on the B List—is utilised as third.

    Fekir, Pulisic, Shaqiri?

    In theory, at least, they could all arrive without worries over meeting the homegrown requirements.

    https://www.thisisanfield.com/2018/...-quotas-klopps-room-to-manoeuvre-this-summer/
     
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  47. derfish

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    Yes, but it appears some were holding out hope he would return sooner.
     
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