Lloyd Xmas rapes ADWD(SPOILERS)

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  1. Lloyd Xmas

    Lloyd Xmas Don't you go dyin' on me

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    Loved the prologue. It was neat to see things from sixskins perspective and very informative of the world of skin changers. Well played GRRM, clever way to establish rules/boundaries without bland exposition. Shit like this will be very hard to explain in the series because I really don't feel like they've set it up very much. Why is it that the stark children and Snow are all wargs? I don't get that, but do wonder if dragons can be used in that way...

    Tyrions chapters were something I really missed in AFFC. If/when he dies, Jamie better step up his smartassness. Even though he didn't do anything entirely important, you still enjoy the shit out of his POV. Somebody please tell him where the whores go.

    Dany's chapters are entertaining, but hope that they pick up some.

    So far, much more exciting than AFFC, though AFFC ended well. Hope to find some more close misses or tie-ins to the on goings of AFFC.
     
  2. LT8

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    The blood of the First Men runs strong in their veins
     
  3. Lloyd Xmas

    Lloyd Xmas Don't you go dyin' on me

    Was Ned or any of the other Starks? Don't spoil if i'm going to read it plz.
     
  4. Voodoo

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    I don't think so.

    They didn't have pet direwolves, though, so maybe there was never a chance for their natural warg abilities to awaken.
     
  5. LT8

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    This and I think just in general there is a rise in magic, including the ability to warg.
     
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  6. Arrec Bardwin

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    I think this is it.
     
  7. zeberdee

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    yea I think the Stark direwolves (and their warg abilities) were a gift from the Old Gods to help fight the dangers that were coming.
     
  8. NukedSquid

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    Warging is an ability inherent in the descendants of the First Men. By the time of ASOIAF, most don't know they have the ability or how to use it. The Stark children are definitely stronger users than the average Joe Schmoe though.

    Brynden Rivers aka 'Bloodraven' is a powerful warg, which obviously wasn't from his Targaryen bloodline. His mother was of House Blackwood, an ancient house who are descendants of the First Men, just like the Starks.
     
  9. Lloyd Xmas

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    So what I'm gathering is that the wolves were a gift from the gods(I agree) and that because of the close relationship that the starks(+snow) have with their direwolves, they become aware of the ability?

    I can buy that.
     
  10. zeberdee

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    I had an answer typed out to this but then I realized I have no idea how far along in the book you are. there weren't any big spoilers or anything, but I don't want to hint at anything either so I'll just let you keep reading.
     
  11. Voodoo

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    That plus the general reemergence of magic.
     
  12. Lloyd Xmas

    Lloyd Xmas Don't you go dyin' on me

    If you would have spoiled, my temple guards would fuck you up.
     
  13. Lloyd Xmas

    Lloyd Xmas Don't you go dyin' on me

    Just finished Jon's first chapter, freaking love this book so far.
     
  14. Wu

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    Olmec, I don't even think you have a penis, much less a groin region.
     
  15. Lloyd Xmas

    Lloyd Xmas Don't you go dyin' on me

    You are afraid of the stoney dick, I see.
     
  16. Lloyd Xmas

    Lloyd Xmas Don't you go dyin' on me

    Tyrion chapter was amusing as normal. GRRM has mind-fucked me to the point where I now think any new character is really some older character in disguise.

    thanks GRRM.

    Onto first Davos chapter. Should be interesting as he was supposedly beheaded.
     
  17. Lloyd Xmas

    Lloyd Xmas Don't you go dyin' on me

    Davos met with Godric in the sisters.

    Most interesting thing was the back story on Ned during Robert's rebellion. Told of the story of Jon Snow's mother and Ned hooking up...

    Hopefully there's some twist and Davos' head isn't hacked off. Starting to like him more and more.
     
  18. Lloyd Xmas

    Lloyd Xmas Don't you go dyin' on me

    Forgot to mention, loved Snow beheading Slynt. Hope Alliser Thorne is next. Or, Thorne and Snow could just battle and Snow kills him. Either way.
     
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  19. Lloyd Xmas

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    Dany chapter, she just talked to Quaithe, who is one of the most intriguing characters in the whole series. Told her to remember who the house of the undying said she was, Dany remembers the "child of three"

    I'm guessing that Quaithe is some sort of goddess, no way any mortal should have her sort of powers.
     
  20. The Blackfish

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    Quaithe is R'hollor's bottom bitch
     
  21. Lloyd Xmas

    Lloyd Xmas Don't you go dyin' on me

    Reek-

    WTF I don't know how to feel about that chapter.

    On one hand, fuck Theon, do not care that he's being tortured though the shit is gruesome.

    On the other, fuck Bolton and his bastard.
     
  22. The Blackfish

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    Reek Reek it rhymes with weak
     
  23. Lloyd Xmas

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    Bran chapter where he meets the 3 eyed crow...

    :ohholkyfuck:

    I'm probably going to end up re reading this series. lol

    I keep expecting to see Benjen Stark somewhere, though he might have been coldhands.

    That chapter was nuts though and can't help but think itll be cool on the show.
     
  24. Lloyd Xmas

    Lloyd Xmas Don't you go dyin' on me

    Davos is on his way to meet with Manderly, just entered the castle gates.
    Part of me wonders if they'll find a way to trick Kings Landing and part of me thinks GRRM will let you think they didn't really kill Davos, I mean who would tell you someone is dead and then actually kill them right? Well GRRM would. He's mindfucking me big time.

    There was also some interesting talk about the Targaryens, idk what to make of that.
     
  25. Voodoo

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    I was thinking the exact same thing.
     
  26. Lloyd Xmas

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    He is well scripted in the art of brain control.
     
  27. NinjaRXA

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    reek chapters make me uncomfortable. like you said, on one hand fuck theon, but goddamn I'm not sure if anyone deserves torture like that.
     
  28. Voodoo

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    I really liked Theon/Reek chapters. I'm hoping his character is able to redeem himself, but I'm not holding my breath. GRRM will probably have him go out like a little girl.
     
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  29. Lloyd Xmas

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    Awesome Jon chapter butttttt...

    WTF is he going to do with 1000 widlings? Guess he'll try and earn their trust and make common foe vs the wights/others.

    I guess that's why melisandre wants to stay with Jon. I'm still skeptical hippo with that bitch and I'm glad Jon is too.

    I just realized there has been no Osha/Rickon updates, but I'm assuming there will be one with Davos in white harbor.
     
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  30. Lloyd Xmas

    Lloyd Xmas Don't you go dyin' on me

    Okay I guess Tyrion just died? But not before letting everyone know that young griff is actually rhaegars son? I'm so confused.

    I believe in the Snow/Lyanna-Rhaegar theory, do does that mean that this boy is a son from his true wife?

    Wtf.
     
  31. Lloyd Xmas

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    GRRM is an asshole. Part of me is still holding out hope that they can rescue tyrion(not actually gonna happen) but what a lame death. The davos chapter's only intent was to piss you off and create more villains. There's still hope that Wylla/Osha-Rickon-Shaggy rescue him and they send anothers head, but that's too happy of a solution.

    On to Reek the geek chapter.
     
  32. Voodoo

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    You must remember your name.
     
  33. Lloyd Xmas

    Lloyd Xmas Don't you go dyin' on me

    Well tyrion isn't dead which is a great thing. He just ran into Jorah at the brothel who said he was taking him to the 'queen'.... But does he mean Cersei or Daenerys?

    Glad Jorah has been easing the tension on some hoes.
     
  34. The Blackfish

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    What do you think?
     
  35. Lloyd Xmas

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    Lol you'd have to think he meant Daenerys unless he's totally tried to move on and his again trying to get a pardon to live in westeros.
     
  36. Arrec Bardwin

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    Are you retarded? Why would he take him to Daenerys when Cersei is offering Lordship to people who bring her tyrion?
     
  37. Lloyd Xmas

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    Because he fucking loves Daenerys and could possibly try to make amends with her by delivering such a important westerosi family's hostage.

    If anything, GRRM has proven that love trumps logic in this series.

    Are you retarded?
     
  38. Arrec Bardwin

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    Except he knows Tyrion is an outlaw in Westeros now, and is worthless as a hostage to Dany.
     
  39. Lloyd Xmas

    Lloyd Xmas Don't you go dyin' on me

    You dont think Dany holding the queen regent's brother who she's willing to grant lordship for has any value? You don't think Cersei would make some trades to be able to kill Tyrion?

    That's "worthless"?
     
  40. Lloyd Xmas

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  41. Arrec Bardwin

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    No, I'm just not going to sit here and endlessly argue something when you are not using any logic whatsoever.
     
  42. Lloyd Xmas

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    I meant the fact that he IS taking him to Dany.
     
  43. Lloyd Xmas

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    Well of course, this time he switched it up and Davos lives...for now.

    One question, they were talking about a place where it's said the feast on human flesh..?? I was thinking the dreadfort but I really just don't know.
     
  44. Voodoo

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    I don't think this is a spoiler:

    People have guessed that it's Skagos (an island in the bay by Eastwatch). Supposedly the people that live there are cannibals.
     
  45. Arrec Bardwin

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    Well I knew you would eventually get to that. I still think it was the most retarded logic in the world. I guess you know Jorah pretty well though.
     
  46. zeberdee

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    it's definitely Skagos.
     
  47. Lloyd Xmas

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    Thanks voodoo and zeberdee. I had no idea about that one, probably something I should've picked up in the books.

    But, why the fuck is he going there if he wants Rickon? The Ironborn kid lied? Or rickon and osha went a different way...?? (obviously don't answer if it's a spoiler, if it's just your guess feel free)

    Arrec, it's not retarded at all. It's about Jorah's thoughts, he doesn't want a lordship in Westeros more than he wants Dany. So, making a gift of Tyrion to which queen would make Dany more happy? Not saying it'll get him back in good graces, but it's worth a shot. Plus, he can say "I could've taken him back to Westeros and been granted a lordship, but would rather bring him to you"
     
  48. zeberdee

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    I can't understand what you're asking about Rickon. where are you in the book?
     
  49. Lloyd Xmas

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    Just got done with Jon chapter where Melisandre tells him 3 rangers will die..

    I haven't heard anything about Rickon yet...But, Manderly was saying to Davos that one of the Stark boys still live, and that he wanted Davos to get him. So, why is he going to Skagos? Did the ironborn kid, Theon's squire the mute boy, lie? Or did he not know where Rickon and Bran were going? Or did he actually know, and Rickon is on Skagos?

    Or am I confused and the boy was actually following Bran? (thought it was Rickon because Rickon was going to white harbor)
     
  50. zeberdee

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    boy followed Rickon, I can't remember how we know it's Skagos. I apologize if it was a spoiler, I thought you found out in the same POV with Davos.