Major League Baseball Prospects Thread

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  1. tandin

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    In the trade deadline thread there is some good talks/demand for this.

    if anyone wants to post KLaw stuff I will be appreciative. I dont have ESPN insider any longer.

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    July 18, 2011
    Future Shock
    The Midseason Top 50 Prospects

    by Kevin Goldstein
    Premium Article Minor League Update
    Kevin Goldstein with the latest news on the hottest Minor League prospects.
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    Last Update: July 14

    The latest top 50 is restricted to players still in the minors, so no Mike Trout, Eric Hosmer, and so on. June, 2011 draftees are also excluded. The preseason Top 101 can be found here.

    1. Bryce Harper, OF, Nationals (Preseason: #1)
    Somehow, just like last year at junior college, Harper has exceeded expectations that were set sky high. Whatever your idea of the best slugging prospect imaginable is, Harper is a bit better than that.

    2. Matt Moore, LHP, Rays (Preseason: #10)
    Moore has led the minor leagues in strikeouts over the last two years, yet has somehow gotten better, adding 1-2 mph on his fastball and throwing far more strikes. The new best pitching prospect in baseball.

    3. Julio Teheran, RHP, Braves (Preseason: #5)
    Hasn't lost his crown due to performance, it's just that Moore has passed him. MLB starts should not be a concern as many future aces were in Low-A when they were Teheran's age.

    4. Shelby Miller, RHP, Cardinals (Preseason: #15)
    The Cardinals thought about beginning the year with him at Double-A. He forced his way there by the end of May, and the Texas League isn't slowing him down. Could open 2012 in the big league rotation.

    5. Jurickson Profar, SS, Rangers (Preseason: #78)
    Profar is hitting, hitting for power, drawing walks, stealing bases, and playing plus defense at a premium position. He's also younger than Bryce Harper, putting his ceiling somewhere above the roof.

    6. Manny Machado, SS, Orioles (Preseason: #16)
    Was off to a fantastic start before a knee injury occurred, looking like the rare shortstop with plus power. Even if he moves to third base, the bat will still make him a star.

    7. Jesus Montero, C, Yankees (Preseason: #3)
    He has not yet put up big numbers this year; there is clearly a frustration factor as he has nowhere to go in New York. At some point, the Yankees just have to trade him and accept the fact that he'll rake elsewhere.

    8. Brandon Belt, 1B, Giants (Preseason: #22)
    Still technically a prospect and still an offensive machine who didn't get much of a chance in the big leagues. Forget about trades, Belt might be the second half's biggest addition to a contending team.

    9. Desmond Jennings, OF, Rays (Preseason: #18)
    As with Montero, stagnation has set in a bit, but Jennings is still a future 20/40 center fielder with on-base skills and outstanding defense. I'm as confused as you are as to why Sam Fuld keeps getting playing time.

    10. Jameson Taillon, RHP, Pirates (Preseason: #8)
    Being treated with kid gloves, and while his secondary pitches need work, his size and combination of velocity and command for a kid so young is downright special.

    11. Devin Mesoraco, C, Reds (Preseason: #53)
    His ranking heading into the year was a bit tentative as the 2010 performance came so out of nowhere, but he's looking more and more like the rare catcher who can hit in the middle of a lineup.

    12. Brett Lawrie, 3B, Blue Jays (Preseason: #57)
    Triple-A Las Vegas sure helped his numbers, but the explosion in power was the real deal, and he'd be in the big leagues if not for the recent injury. Too bad the defensive reviews are not as kind.

    13. Martin Perez, LHP, Rangers (Preseason: #33)
    He has eliminated the occasional stinker from his starts and earned a mid-season promotion to Triple-A as a 20-year-old. Ceiling remains more No. 2 than No. 1, but the likelyhood of reaching it has increased.

    14. Manny Banuelos, LHP, Yankees (Preseason: #27)
    Command has slipped a bit, but he remains a lefty with two excellent pitches in his fastball and changeup. Has looked better as the season has worn on and could be poised for a big second half.

    15. Jason Kipnis, 2B, Indians (Preseason: #28)
    In 163 games at the upper levels, he's hit .304 with 72 walks, 21 home runs, and 18 stolen bases in 19 attempts. There is no weakness in his game.

    16. Taijuan Walker, RHP, Mariners (Preseason: NR)
    Seeing his full-season debut was almost a revelation: he's throwing in the mid-to-upper 90s, flashing a viscious slider, and he's still only 18 years old. The sky is the limit.

    17. Arodys Vizcaino, RHP, Braves (Preseason: #50)
    When the Braves traded Javier Vazquez to the Yankees, it wasn't about Melky Cabrera; it was about this guy. Don't be surprised if he makes his big league debut this year in either a starting or relief role.

    18. Miguel Sano, 3B, Twins (Preseason: #31)
    His full-season debut won't come until 2012, and he'll probably be a right fielder by then, but his power potential is nearly unmatched in the minor leagues.

    19. Hak-Ju Lee, SS, Rays (Preseason: NR)
    Has exploded with the Rays by hitting for average, drawing walks, stealing bases, and playing a solid shortstop with an outstanding arm. Shortstops that can hit at the top of the order are worth their weight in gold.

    20. Drew Pomeranz, LHP, Indians (Preseason: #43)
    The first college pitcher selected in the 2010 draft dominated the Carolina League with his fastball and curve and could rank even higher if his changeup improves.

    21. Travis D'Arnaud, C, Blue Jays (Preseason: NR)
    Finally showing off what he can do when he's healthy, D'Arnaud is very athletic for a catcher and is just beginning to tap into his power potential.

    22. Carlos Martinez, RHP, Cardinals (Preseason: NR)
    The fastball is special, and the breaking ball at least flashes the same, but he's small and the delivery isn't pretty. Huge ceiling, but already some knocks against him.

    23. Mike Montgomery, LHP, Royals (Preseason: #21)
    The stuff is still there, but his command has suddenly faltered. He's been excellent after skipping a recent start and could be in the big leagues by September.

    24. Dellin Betances, RHP, Yankees (Preseason: #32)
    Dominant stuff to be sure, but whispers about him possibly being better off as a late-inning reliever are becoming more common these days.

    25. Matt Harvey, RHP, Mets (Preseason: #75)
    Similar to his 2010 draft brethren Pomeranz, Harvey cruised through High-A, primarily pitching off his mid-90s heat and power slider. Now he'll need to become more rounded at Double-A.

    26. Jacob Turner, RHP, Tigers (Preseason: #23)
    Still not missing as many bats as one would like, but the body, stuff, and age still impress as he's limited the Eastern League to a .233 batting average at the age of 20.

    27. Brad Peacock, RHP, Nationals (Preseason: NR)
    Few pitching prospects have seen their stock jump more. Peacock has shown plus-plus velocity and command with the potential to be a monster if he can upgrade the rest of his arsenal.

    28. Chelsor Cuthbert, 3B, Royals (Preseason: NR)
    A potentially special player, the ball just sounds different off his bat. He already has a feel for in-game power, and has rounded out the package with surprisingly polished defense at the hot corner.

    29. Jarred Cosart, RHP, Phillies (Preseason: NR)
    Had the second most impressive Futures Game performance after Moore but rarely maintains both his stuff and command throughout a game.

    30. Yasmani Grandal, C, Reds (Preseason: #86)
    Last year's first-round pick has already reached Double-A in his full-season debut while showing excellent on-base skills, solid power, and average defense. He could have huge trade value.

    31. Jake Odorizzi, RHP, Royals (Preseason: #77)
    He's refined his stuff, improved his command, and found an average changeup. Moving quickly and on pace for a 2012 debut.

    32. Robbie Erlin, LHP, Rangers (Preseason: NR)
    He was arguably the best pitching prospect in the minors, statistically speaking, during the first half of the year, but he's still learning how to use pitches outside the strike zone at Double-A. It's still hard to give him more than the ceiling of a good No. 3.

    33. Zach Lee, RHP, Dodgers (Preseason: #54)
    The numbers fall more into the good category than the great, but the scouting reports are better than the numbers, and this is the first time in his life he's focused full-time on baseball.

    34. Tyler Skaggs, LHP, Diamondbacks (Preseason: #83)
    Pitched well in a nearly impossible environment and yet remains far more about projection than reality. Still plenty of room to move up.

    35. Casey Kelly, RHP, Padres (Preseason: #48)
    The best pitching prospect that rarely dominates? For now, Kelly has two plus pitches, throws strikes, and gets plenty of ground balls, but it just seems like there is more there.

    36. Zack Wheeler, RHP, Giants (Preseason: #52)
    The stuff is great, the command is not; for now his ability to miss bats overrides other concerns. If he starts throwing more strikes, his ceiling explodes.

    37. Leonys Martin, OF, Rangers (Preseason: NR)
    Has played fewer than 40 games as a pro, but has already showcased plus hitting skills, gap power, good wheels, an outstanding approach, and good defense. Could play a big role in a pennant race come September.

    38. Bryce Brentz, OF, Red Sox (Preseason: NR)
    From a flop of a debut to one of the better power prospects around, scouts see a classic corner outfield profile with 65 power and on-base ability.

    39. Gary Sanchez, C, Yankees (Preseason: #29)
    Seemingly in the process of being written off because he hasn't dominated, Sanchez has shown impressive power for an 18-year-old while making sufficient strides behind the plate for scouts to project him as an adequate defender.

    40. Will Middlebrooks, 3B, Red Sox (Preseason: NR)
    Was always known for his top notch defense at third base, but the bat has finally come around with truckloads of doubles and a projection for 15-20 home runs a season in the big leagues.

    41. Jean Segura, SS, Angels (Preseason: #35)
    Hampered by injury, but all of the tools and skills from 2010 have been on display, and he's proving that he can play on the left side of the infield.

    42. Jose Altuve, 2B, Astros (Preseason: NR)
    Over the winter, a scout told me that if I had any cojones, I'd sneak him onto the Astros Top 11 list, which I did. Half a year later, and he's the top prospect in the system.

    43. Michael Choice, OF, Athletics (Preseason: #74)
    The Three True Outcomes king among prospects at nearly 43%, Choice has cut down on his strikeouts recently, and when he makes contact, he crushes balls.

    44. Nick Castellanos, 3B, Tigers (Preseason: #65)
    A slow start in the Midwest League is no surprise, but since April he's been among the circuit's best hitters with a downright pretty swing and power that is going to come down the road.

    45. Jedd Gyorko, 3B, Padres (Preseason: NR)
    He's short, he's squat, he doesn't run well, and he's not pretty defensively, but man can he hit, with bat speed, great hands, and gap-to-average power.

    46. Gary Brown, OF, Giants (Preseason: NR)
    Looking like the Giants center fielder and leadoff man of the future, which could come as early as mid-2012. Continued improvement in his approach will be key.

    47. Kaleb Cowart, 3B, Angels (Preseason: #90)
    Pioneer League stats need to be taken with a grain of salt, but early reports from scouts have them drooling over his .400-plus average so far.

    48. Allen Webster, RHP, Dodgers (Preseason: NR)
    Fastball/changeup combination created plenty of hype in the California League, but reviews haven't been as kind at Double-A, where he needs a deeper arsenal.

    49. Jonathan Schoop, 2B, Orioles (Preseason: NR)
    Has impressed with his ability to hit and to drive balls, giving Baltimore one of the best middle-infield prospect combinations in the game.

    50. Wil Myers, OF, Royals (Preseason: #13)
    He still gets some credit for last year's explosion, but a knee injury has slowed him in 2011, and scouts who have seen him for the first time have been left scratching their heads as to the lack of hard contact.
     
  2. dblplay1212

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    Fuck your tag, imo.
     
  3. tandin

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    useful links:

    raysprospects.com
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  4. The Goat

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    Yikes. Starting this thread out with the worst midseason top 50 I have seen so far can't be a good sign.
     
  5. tandin

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    you are certainly opinionated on prospects. I actually prefer to see everyone's lists, because I can rarely actually get out to see guys.
     
  6. TDCD

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    soxprospects.com <-- best team prospect site.
     
  7. tandin

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    :smug:
     
  8. SC

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  9. Damion

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    Braves have some nasty pitching prospects
     
  10. Fancy

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    Taijuan Walker was such a good pick
     
  11. kualltheway

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    What is the reason Montero hasnt been traded? I know his name is always mentioned with big trades but is it the Yankees not agreeing to trade him or teams not giving up their big name for a guy who will not play catcher and will more than likely DH?
     
  12. The Goat

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    I have seen all of the big publications lists along with other sites and have read Goldstein's articles for quite some time. Goldstein's list really feels like it is just trying to be different to be different and really lacks logic.
     
  13. ttuman10

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    Martin perez is def our top prospect and top 10 overall
     
  14. fsugrad99

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  15. DUCKMOUTH

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    Someone with some knowledge on Sano share it.
     
  16. dblplay1212

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    The Yankees probably over-value him a little. Will he or won't he catch is the big question. Prior to the Yankees signing Martin, I thought the Yankees would roll with him catching and have the + bat and - glove just like we've had with Posada for a long time. Now that Martin is there, not sure what the plan is. They were going to deal him for Lee last year but the M's went for Smoak. He's now being mentioned for Jimenez but supposedly the Rockies want Banuelos, Betances, and Nova. That's just not going to happen. I think it's basically the Yankees want a stud in return for him and other teams want more than just him for that stud so it hasn't worked out. At this point, I'd be fine with him being DH and backup catcher next year. Would free up a roster spot so we wouldn't need a DH and a backup C. Maybe see if he can play 1b to give Tex a break a couple times a month like Posada has done this year.
     
  17. tandin

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    I wasn't defending the list so much as just saying why I posted it, I'd like to see more. I gave up my insider and BA this year and as such have been worse this year at following guys outside of the draft and checking in on on rate stats for guys.
     
  18. Tyler

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    Big athletic kid with light tower power. Signed as a 16 year old out of the Dominican as a SS, but no one believed he'd stay there due to his size. He's only 18 in his first year stateside, but has huge tools and huge potential.
     
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  20. CC

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    Dodgers fans all :tumbleweed:
     
  21. 49ers169

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    Comical to me that Brentz is the top prospect according to Goldstein.

    Power is there but discipline is a ways away.
     
  22. TDCD

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    same here. and kalish isn't even listed
     
  23. The Goat

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    My bad. I am pretty opinionated on prospects though. Half the fun of it is picking your guys that you like from when they get drafted and then debating them with other opinionated people. Here is KLaw's list:
     
  24. Fidelio

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  25. Fidelio

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    can't catch. will never catch. yankees knew this. signing russell martin was enough proof to the rest of baseball.
     
  26. SC

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    Tampa promotes Matt Moore to AAA.
     
  27. dblplay1212

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    I wouldn't go that far.
     
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    That is probably one area where I think SP is off as they seem way too overprotective off Kalish and moving him off of the top of the list. I don't think he is anywhere near a top 50 prospect right now.

    The guy has missed all year and with guys rising, I just don't see how he is the top guy in the system any longer. I think Law is right with Middlebrooks personally and that would be the top guy to me as he seems to be figuring it all out.

    They are very odd to figure out as with a guy like Cecchini who they were very high on throughout the season and now he is in Lowell and doing fairly well, they drop him.

    Even so good year for Sox hitting prospects, poor year for pitching prospects for the most part.

    Sox may be motivated to move a few high ceiling guys with the trade deadline looming and the most notable is Oscar Tejeda as the team is crunched for 40 man spots.
     
  30. tandin

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    all of my team's "prospects" suck.
     
  31. Fidelio

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    he won't be catching or DH-ing for NYY, they just don't promote hitting prospects unless they're elite at a clearly defined position (cano, jeter). he had his chance to prove it at C and couldn't do it. that's another reason why his value is down; other teams realize that he won't crack that lineup and he's not quite as elite as the yankees make him out to be.
     
  32. The Goat

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    This was one of my biggest disagreements with Goldstein's list. Brentz reminds me of Paul Goldschmidt last year who put up huge numbers, but had a pretty poor K:BB. Goldstein had him as a 2 star in his top 11 and Brentz playing a corner OF spot isn't worth a 2 star difference. If Brentz has a turnaround like Goldschmidt this year and improves that walk rate then he would be a top 50 guy, but that is a big if obviously.
     
  33. DUCKMOUTH

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    Montero will bounce back. His numbers are not awful this season, just not eye popping at this time. He is still young for AAA.

    You may be right though, Mesoraco has been impresive.
     
  34. MG2

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    Kind of confused about Goldstein's ranking of Jacob Turner. He's not missing a ton of bats (7 K/9), but he's a 20-year-old in AA (and pitched half the season to date as a 19-year-old) with a K/BB ratio of 2.6. Putting him behind guys who are younger and at lower levels (or even Matt Harvey, who is older and at the same level, but not doing nearly as well) kind of confuses me considering how polished his command is with the stuff he has at that age.
     
  35. swiggle

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  36. Cornelius Suttree

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    saw where Keith Law had Dellin Betances ranked one spot higher than Drew Pomeranz in his most recent prospect rankings

    Betances is a Yankees prospect that was committed to Vandy (never actually signed a LOI) at one point

    would have been crazy seeing him sit on the bench
     
  37. 49ers169

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    Yeah I would have Brandon Jacobs ahead of Brentz personally.

    Has the power, discipline is not there yet but is a factor on the base paths as well.
     
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    So ready to see Jennings in the bigs.
     
  39. 49ers169

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    It all depends on what you are looking for. If he can stick at catcher, his bat is fine but is the bat as elite as many made it out to be?

    Not sure if it is that special of a bat at DH where the questions come from.
     
  40. dblplay1212

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    Pretty cool that you know the Yankees plans like that. I'm impressed.

    Personally, if he's not involved in a deal at the deadline, I wouldn't be surprised to see him at DH and backup catcher next year. He could play a game here and there at 1b like Posada is doing this year, too. Having him as backup C and backup 1b would open up a roster spot, too. Of course this is assuming the Yankees don't say fuck it and sign a Pujols or Fielder to DH, which wouldn't overly shock me, either.

    Also, keep in mind that he's still just 21. The fact that he didn't win the catching job at 21 shouldn't come as some big shocker. How many catchers come up at 21?
     
  41. MG2

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    Law had Brentz as one of his guys who just missed his top 50, which I didn't really get either. Law is usually big on numbers for guys old for their leagues not meaning much, and Brentz is a 22-year-old who just got moved to high A ball a month ago. I understand liking power bats, but he's not going to make it to Boston before he's at least 24, and possibly 25.
     
  42. 49ers169

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    I don't see him as a future for the Sox, might make a nice trade chip in a year or two. But seems like there at least optimism that Ellsbury may sign and extension and if that happens, the RF spot is going to either Kalish/Reddick more than likely. After that you have Crawford signed to a massive deal.
     
  43. MG2

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    His value is down because he hasn't hit this year like people expect him to hit. I don't think it's really down that much across the league, because I think people know he's got it in him. I would say most teams don't think he's a catcher long term, so that's not really a big deal. He's not DHing in NY this year because they owed Posada insane money this year and are letting him play out that contract because even the Yankees aren't eating that kind of money (especially for someone who has produced like he has over the years). They weren't bringing Montero up to platoon with Posada and deny him regular at bats.
     
  44. Fidelio

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    my fault. "...., imo"
     
  45. dblplay1212

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    Fair enough. We'll agree to disagree. Just keep in mind that he's still only 21. He's just been a name for a few years so people forget that. What big time catching prospects have come up at that age? Posey was 23. Weiters was 23. Santana was 24. I'm sure some have but I can't think of any right now.
     
  46. The Goat

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    Really glad to see I am not the only one who sees this. Law continuously having Steve Balboni as a comp for Goldscmidt is not one of my favorite opinions from him when the 2 statistical profiles really aren't close.

    Agree with you on the Turner ranking comment. I don't see Turner as an ace exactly, but he is a good bet to be a good 3 or a 2. I'd be a homer and have Skaggs higher than him though for dominating the Cal League and having the projection. (another Goldstein gripe)

    The question on Montero has to be is he bored out of his mind in AAA similar to what Hanley was doing before the Marlins deal?
     
  47. MG2

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    Still not sold on Reddick long term because he's never really hit LHP all that well as far as I can tell, and I'm still not sold on the approach. I think there's a reasonable chance he's a platoon RF long term, which there's nothing wrong with.

    If they want to keep Ellsbury long term, Kalish should be dealt IMO. All he really serves is depth in case Ellsbury or Crawford goes down. I like him, but he was never a top 50 type guy because I'm not sure there's really a great skill there that he can hang his hat on to say "I'm a future all-star". He's a solid OF who isn't going to be a star.
     
  48. 49ers169

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    It isn't his age in terms of not being called up that people are questioning whether he can be a catcher the next level.

    It is the surrounding thought by people like Law and others who study prospects that don't think he is going to be a catcher at the next level.
     
  49. Fidelio

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    i have a feeling that the rays brass sees something they don't like with him. sure, he accumulated service time in sept of last year and missed a couple of weeks recently, but to be kept in the minors this long when fuld is an absolute shitstain of a hitter? something seems strange. my guess is they probably view fuld as being = to jennings at this stage. both can provide pretty good D, but hitting is going to be suspect, with the exception of speed.
     
  50. dblplay1212

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    Oh, I know most people don't think he will be. This time last year there a lot of talk about how he was improving defensively and might one day be serviceable behind the plate. No idea really now and I haven't heard much about it. I'm just not completely writing the idea of him catching off bc he's so young and still has time to improve a little. I don't think he's every going to be a Molina behind the plate, but maybe he can improve to where he can catch for a few years.