Making A Murderer (Netflix)

I think the stepfather and Brendan's brother murdered that chick.

Brendan's attorney might be a worse person than Manson. It's debatable.

How in the fuck can they say she was raped and beaten, stabbed, and had her throat slit
In Stevens house yet they didn't find one speck of her blood. That right there would have almost been enough for me to say not guilty. Steven and Brendan put together Would still be a few French fries short of a happy meal, there's no way in hell they could've cleaned that place up.

Not to mention the blatant planting of evidence. I mean fuck, how goddamn stupid are people in Wisconsin? The jury in both cases had to have been made up of 12 Brendan's.

It's all kinds of fucked up just how fucked up those 2 trials were.

 

I think the stepfather and Brendan's brother murdered that chick.

Brendan's attorney might be a worse person than Manson. It's debatable.

How in the fuck can they say she was raped and beaten, stabbed, and had her throat slit
In Stevens house yet they didn't find one speck of her blood. That right there would have almost been enough for me to say not guilty. Steven and Brendan put together Would still be a few French fries short of a happy meal, there's no way in hell they could've cleaned that place up.

Not to mention the blatant planting of evidence. I mean fuck, how goddamn stupid are people in Wisconsin? The jury in both cases had to have been made up of 12 Brendan's.

It's all kinds of fucked up just how fucked up those 2 trials were.

 

Just finished 4. How in the hell did they convict this bastard?

 

After the ex-boyriend, those two are at the top of my list, too. They were sketchy as fuck. They were both conveniently "hunting" when the murder allegedly took place, and they were both pretty willing to throw Steven Avery under the bus, changing their stories to fit the prosecution's narrative.

 

These defense lawyers fucking owned the prosecutors.

 

Oh it was just made up of family of the Sheriff's Dept

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/29326359.html

 

i had to stop watching after episode 5, it was getting too ridiculous.

 

Jumped back in, this shit is blowing my mind. Fucking Wisconsin.

 

you definitely could tell the one juror that was excused early for the family emergency thought there was some shady shit going on.

 

I said that in the other thread. Unless the filmmakers left out a lot of stuff, the defense won the case easily, you know, other than the Russet Potato jury.

 

Mind blowing.

 

I'm through Episode 4. This is just sad to watch.

 

I am like 95 percent sure Steve killed her. But not sure I could convict on the states theory of the case and the evidence they presented. Even though the info is from the douche prosecutor, this article is good.

http://www.people.com/article/steve...key-evidence?xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag

 

I just don't see a motive for Avery.

 

Yeah, outside of the road rage incident with his in-law or former in-law, whoever it was, he didn't strike me as an aggressive or violent guy. But we're supposed to believe he brutally raped and murdered this chick because ... why?

 

Wouldn't that be the defenses fault for failing to strike these people from the jury? That county is pretty damn small, I feel they should have known that or could have easily found it out

 

There was an interview posted where the lawyer said he used up his six no's and had to take him. What does that say about the jury pool that there were people so bad you HAD to take a person who was a Sherriffs Department family member?

 

Burning the cat alive was pretty fucked up and based on some movie I saw that's where killers get their start

 

Roommate or ex boyfriend did it.

 

you got married?

how fucking old have i gotten?

 

http://www.avclub.com/article/read-damning-evidence-against-steven-avery-making--230224

Given that everyone had at least a few days over the holidays to just sit and stare aimlessly at screens, probably in an attempt to avoid real quality family time, it should come as no surprise that Netflix’s Making A Murderer is the hot new topic of conversation for 2016. The 10-part documentary series is essentially Serial for TV and, as The A.V. Club has documented rather extensively, follows the trial(s) of Steven Avery, a Wisconsin man accused of two vicious crimes. But what flew a bit under the radar over the holiday break is what’s allegedly “missing” fromMurderer, at least according to Ken Kratz, the fairly sleazy guy who prosecuted Avery. While The A.V. Club has covered Kratz’s complaints, a new Pajiba articledoes a good job of summarizing everything that was missing, for whatever reason, from the show. While the show’s creators say the stuff that’s missing wasn’t necessary and didn’t make an impact at trial, it’s worth a glance all the same, especially if you’re one of those pro-Avery rabblerousers who’s signing a petition to (spoiler!) have him released from prison.

The Pajiba piece points out the following:

— In the months leading up to Halbach’s disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos.


— Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn’t want to go out to Avery’s trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach.

— On the day that Halbach went missing, Avery had called her three times, twice from a *67 number to hide his identity.

— The bullet with Halbach’s DNA on it came from Avery’s gun, which always hung above his bed.

— Avery had purchased handcuffs and leg irons like the ones Dassey described holding Halbach only three weeks before (Avery said he’s purchased them for use with his girlfriend, Jodi, with whom he’d had a tumultuous relationship — at one point, he was ordered by police to stay away from her for three days).

— Here’s the piece of evidence that was presented at trial but not in the series that I find most convincing: In Dassey’s illegally obtained statement, Dassey stated that he helped Avery moved the RAV4 into the junkyard and that Avery had lifted the hood and removed the battery cable. Even if you believe that the blood in Halbach’s car was planted by the cops (as I do), there was also non-blood DNA evidence on the hood latch. I don’t believe the police would plant — or know to plant — that evidence.

There’s additional info in there, as well, like evidence that Halbach’s Palm Pilot and camera were found in Avery’s burn barrel, and that Brendan Dassey told police he’d been molested by Avery in the past. It’s all evidence that’s fairly damning against Avery, something filmmakers might not have been inclined to use given that they’d spent 10-plus years imbedded with both the subject himself and with his extended family. Then again, it’s all evidence that could have been fabricated or manipulated by the evil Manitowoc Country Sherriff’s department, should you believe there’s something going on there. Either way, it’s an interesting read, especially if you want to be the most informed one in your nextMaking A Murderer chat session.

 

My wife and I watched the first 6 of these yesterday (because fuck the shitty NFL games), so we're obviously hooked. It's such a crazy story, it feels like something that would only happen in a movie. I saw the larger thread in the general forum but am avoiding for potential spoilers. Even though this story happened 10 years ago, I don't want to know until watching it all.

 

Some more from Ken Kratz. This is my major problem with some of these true crime docs. They always leave out important incriminating evidence.

http://www.thewrap.com/making-a-murderer-prosecutor-ken-kratz-steven-avery-9-reasons-guilty/

Examples for you to consider:

1. Avery’s past incident with a cat was not “goofing around”. He soaked his cat in gasoline or oil, and put it on a fire to watch it suffer.

2. Avery targeted Teresa. On Oct 31 (8:12 am) he called AutoTrader magazine and asked them to send “that same girl who was here last time.” On Oct 10, Teresa had been to the Avery property when Steve answered the door just wearing a towel. She said she would not go back because she was scared of him (obviously). Avery used a fake name and fake # (his sister’s) giving those to the AutoTrader receptionist, to trick Teresa into coming.

3. Teresa’s phone, camera and PDA were found 20 ft from Avery’s door, burned in his barrel. Why did the documentary not tell the viewers the contents of her purse were in his burn barrel, just north of the front door of his trailer?

4. While in prison, Avery told another inmate of his intent to build a “torture chamber” so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released. He even drew a diagram. Another inmate was told by Avery that the way to get rid of a body is to “burn it”…heat destroys DNA.

5. The victim’s bones in the firepit were “intertwined” with the steel belts, left over from the car tires Avery threw on the fire to burn, as described by Dassey. That WAS where her bones were burned! Suggesting that some human bones found elsewhere (never identified as Teresa’s) were from this murder was NEVER established.

6. Also found in the fire pit was Teresa’s tooth (ID’d through dental records), a rivet from the “Daisy Fuentes” jeans she was wearing that day, and the tools used by Avery to chop up her bones during the fire.

7. Phone records show 3 calls from Avery to Teresa’s cell phone on Oct 31. One at2:24, and one at 2:35–both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn’t know it him…both placed before she arrives. Then one last call at 4:35 pm, without the *67 feature. Avery first believes he can simply say she never showed up (his original defense), so tries to establish the alibi call after she’s already been there, hence the4:35 call. She will never answer of course, so he doesn’t need the *67 feature for that last call.

8. Avery’s DNA (not blood) was on the victim’s hood latch (under her hood in her hidden SUV). The SUV was at the crime lab since 11/5…how did his DNA get under the hood if Avery never touched her car? Do the cops have a vial of Avery’s sweat to “plant” under the hood?

9. Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery’s rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since 11/6…if the cops planted the bullet, how did they get one fired from HIS gun? This rifle, hanging over Aver’s bed, is the source of the bullet found in the garage, with Teresa’s DNA on it. The bullet had to be fired BEFORE 11/5—did the cops borrow his gun, fire a bullet, recover the bullet before planting the SUV, then hang on to the bullet for 4 months in case they need to plant it 4 months later???

There is more of course. But I’m not a DA anymore. I have no duty to show what nonsense the “planting” defense is, or why the documentary makers didn’t provide these uncontested facts to the audience. You see, these facts are inconsistent with the claim that these men were framed—you don’t want to muddy up a perfectly good conspiracy movie with what actually happened, and certainly not provide the audience with the EVIDENCE the jury considered to reject that claim.

Finally, I engaged in deplorable behavior, sending suggestive text messages to a crime victim in Oct 2009. I reported myself to the OLR. My law license was thereafter suspended for 4 months. I have withstood a boat-load of other consequences as a result of that behavior, including loss of my prosecution career. However, I’ve enjoyed sobriety from prescription drug use for over 5 years now, and refuse to be defined by that dark time of my life. All of this occurred years after the Avery case was concluded…I’m unclear why the defense-created documentary chose to include this unpleasantness in this movie, especially if the filmmakers had no agenda to cast me as a villain. I am not a victim in that whole texting scandal—then again, it’s exceedingly unfair to use that to characterize me as morally unfit.

To identify Lt. Lenk, Sgt. Colburn and myself as being “responsible” for the framing and knowing false murder conviction of Steven Avery is irresponsible, and inconsistent with a consideration of all the evidence presented. Netflix should either provide an opportunity for rebuttal, or alert the viewers that this series was produced by and FOR the defense of Steven Avery, and contains only the opinion and theory of the defense team.

 

How many of those were admissible in court?

 

Almost none of that shit matters.
Show us evidence that he committed the crime his accused of. Period.

 

Watched it all in one sitting. Still can't believe those verdicts. Fucking corrupt mother fuckers

 

THIS. I was so pissed off when he kept saying how Brendan Dassey was clearly lying on the stand. Are you serious? The kid can barely fucking read (16 years old with a 4th grade reading level? Jesus). How is he supposed to have done all of this shit? And raping the girl? Not even meant as an insult, but I doubt the kid would know what to do with a naked girl if she were standing right in front of him.

Yeah that's the part where I get all "but he did this, so...." The way they described it came across like he didn't mean to set the cat on fire (I think he said threw the cat OVER the fire? But still...) I don't know. This shit is all sorts of fucked.

 

I think Avery did it but that doesn't take away from the corruption involved with his case.

 

I guess I'm just finding it hard to believe that if Avery did do it, he'd still be fighting at this point, more or less on his own, to get out. Maybe I'm too much of an optimist when it comes to humanity.

 

This series doesn't ruin that for you?

 

Just finished episode 4..... That ending.....

 

Netflix ordered more episodes of this today. No word on how many or when they'll air.

 

Why? I pretty much enjoyed the first season but even it really dragged after awhile. I can't imagine wanting to see more about this specific case.

 

Yeah a 1 hour catch up id watch. I'm beyond out on 10 more episodes. The Jinx did it right from a story length perspective.

 

Judge overturns Dassey conviction in Halbach murder

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2016/08/12/dassey-wins-ruling-teresa-halbach-murder/88632502/

 

So I just finished the rest of the new season with the GF. This was apparently overturned and they appealed all the way to the supreme court which declined to hear his case and now he will be in prison for decades.

 

They also followed the lawyer that is working on Avery's case. Holy fucking shit at what she has uncovered. An ubelievable amount of corruption and flat out lying under oath and judges in WI are still refusing to grant appeals to them. Bobby absolutely had something to do with it.

 

Watch the new episodes and tell me if you can honestly still say Avery did it and that the cops and prosecutor didn't absolutely cover some shit up and plant evidence to frame Avery and Brendan.

 

Is 2nd season worth watching?

 

Yes

 

I just started this finally. On episode 6. This is wild.