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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by snowfx2, Apr 8, 2015.
A bit pre-mature
Odd they're doing OB1 and Ms Marvel both on Wednesdays
I thought Star Wars going to be on Fridays and then last Wednesday they dropped episode 3.
Marvel: If you persevere through the crucible that is life eventually you will come to a place where you are able to handle what is thrown at you
DC: Be born a god
True or false?
Other than Batman?
Be born a god/billionaire*
The flash was born a god???? Dude almost died getting his powers
He has a god brain
fair counter, Oliver Quinn also falls in the Batman category
After Batman who do y’all find to be the most interesting DC character? Feel like Batman and his rogues are a league of their own and then there’s a huge drop off, I can take this to the DC thread but I think it’s more interesting here in the context of us marvel fans
Batman and all his associated characters are the only thing DC I care about. But Batman is by far my favorite comic book character overall.
But before the MCU came along a lot of the Marvel characters that are popular now weren't nearly as popular. The films have done wonders for them.
The only Marvel stuff I liked growing up was X-Men and I am still disappoint that we haven’t had it in the MCU.
Oh man, it's more than "a lot." It was more like "all but Spider-Man and X-Men." Before the MCU, characters like Iron Man, Cap, Strange, etc, were "known of" but hardly read at all. You can go back through those characters histories and find some great run of comics and then grimace at the sales numbers they got. Marvel was so dead in the water they were bankrupt. Their three biggest names were Spider-Man, X-Men, and Hulk, all of which are due to TV shows (cartoon, cartoon, the 70s show with Lou Ferrigno) and the two cartoons didn't come out until the company was already hurting badly and barely surviving. The core Avengers crew, plus all the rest, (everything sans Spidey, X-Men, Hulk) were less than a joke. They were afterthoughts.
Marvel was this close to going the way of ACE Comics.
To be fair, DC was only in marginally better shape. They had Batman which sold consistently, and occasionally a Superman run would sell better than average (the Death storyline boosted ALL comic sales but that came later), but for the most part they sold only just enough to survive.
The fact is, as important as the medium is to these movies, comic books are still a niche market, and comic book heroes are a movie/TV medium more than anything else. The tail is wagging the dog.
Comic books are difficult to get into due to the publication format imo
Agreed. The main reason I've liked Batman so much is because of how many good graphic novels he has. I like the stand alone stories. I've never got into comic book runs and all that.
For me it also had a lot to do with both Batman and X-Men had phenomenal animated series on tv when I was growing up.
Batman: The Animated Series is one of my GOAT cartoons.
This is 100% true. The medium almost invites convolution and oversaturation.
I recently subbed to Marvel Unlimited to revisit Hickman's Fantastic Four run (considered the best F4 story ever, and I agree). Halfway through the story, they started up another comic series, called FF, that runs alongside it. Both are written by Hickman and the two stories overlap. There's no reason to tell a story like this.
It'd be like if, halfway through Breaking Bad, Vince Gilligan created a spinoff story focusing entirely on Hank and his search for Heisenberg, that aired the same week, forcing you to watch both when it would make more sense to combine the two into one weekly story.
I'm reading Hickman's Avengers run now, which ends with Secret Wars and, right off the bat, there's an Avengers series of comics that focuses on Cap, etc, and a New Avengers series which focuses on the Illuminati (the superior of the two stories). Early into the run they add a third story, Infinity. It's all so needlessly convoluted. Just tell one story. You can break it into 25 page installments, sure, but just have one story.
This. It's why I said before that comic book stories work best, not as comics, but in the movie/TV medium. It's already a visual medium, and the way Feige does it, you have the perfect balance of mostly stand-alone movies that subtly tie into a larger story, culminating in a huge movie that brings everything before it to a climax. I'd read a lot more comics if that's how they told their stories.
Is there a site that you refer to in order to keep track of reading order?
I just go by release date. Marvel Unlimited has dates for each issue, so after I finish a comic, I have to back out of it and check the date of the next comic vs the next comic from the concurrent run. It's like this:
"You just finished New Avengers #3, April 7, 2014"
"Continue reading New Avengers #4, April 21, 2014"
or try "Avengers #6, April 14, 2014"
So I have to double check that I don't skip something. In the above illustration (I made the dates up; I don't remember what they are) I'd finish New Avengers #3 and then jump to Avengers #6, then go back to New Avengers #4.
It's a mess and it's a failure of the way comics have been handled for nearly a century.
You can buy an Omnibus that collects the story (whatever it is) all in the right order, but they're like 70-100 bucks and, in the case of Hickman's amazing Fantastic Four run, you'd have to buy volume 1 and volume 2. Marvel Unlimited doesn't let you read the Omnibuses digitally, unfortunately.
I think some complaints itt is that the start of phase 4 we're seeing feels like a lot of what you're talking about is happening in the tv/movie medium right now.
I think the problem fans are having with Phase four is two-fold. First, the movies don't all feel as sharp and crisp and tightly made as what came before. I think a lot of that is recency bias (Dr. Strange's first movie, Ant-Man 1, Iron Man 2; there were plenty of "meh" or "just fine" movies early on) and the comedown from Endgame, but let's set all that aside.
The other problem is that the movies/shows feel so vastly disconnected from each other it's hard to see what the endgame is (pun sort of intended). Where is all this leading and how will that conclusion feel like a natural endpoint not only to, say, Loki, but also Falcon/Winter Solider? Where do the Eternals' story end that makes sense as the natural endpoint to, say, Dr. Strange?
Like if you go back to Phase 2, which was the first one where they started to say "okay, this is all going to end with Thanos and the snap" you could see the pieces in hindsight. Cap's story and Tony's story was inevitably going to lead to Civil War, which splits up the team and makes Thano's invasion that much more dramatic. The introduction of the spacefaring heroes was necessary because of Thanos himself. Ant-Man gave us the quantum realm, etc. You can see in hindsight where it was all heading and how all the pieces were necessary.
We don't have hindsight yet but even still, it all seems a lot more convoluted and disconnected than ever. It doesn't help that Feige recently said he's going away soon to plan the next ten years, which means the past several movies have been just a combination of "Disney-mandated content for the sake of it" and the necessary introduction of new heroes to replace the old guard like Cap and Tony. I can tell the endgame is Kang/multiverse, but I don't know how, for example, Sam and Bucky will get involved in all of that in a way that feels natural and significant to their characters. I'm worried they'll be there just because "they're Avengers."
I guess they changed Kamala Khan’s powers for this show? too difficult to do live action?
Also too similar to Reed Richards I'm guessing.
Feel confident they did it to make her viable in “the marvels”. Her comic power doesn’t really help much in whatever big cosmic shit they’ll get into
Is there not a Ms. Marvel thread on the tv board? Also, 1st episode was awesome
The main roster for Marvel for decades pre MCU was basically The Fantastic Four, X-Men and Spiderman.
That would be pretty early compared to when some of the other trailers have been dropping.
Like it said, just a rumor.
It will just be a teaser, with minimal cast appearances...but there's been a massive layover between Endgame, Boseman's death, a whole lot of other Marvel content that has nothing to do with Wakanda(minimal involvement in F&WS), and now.
Had this already been announced?
No but it makes sense. Aside from Batman, DC’s best efforts have been villain-based. Marvel could definitely find viewers for a rogue-led movie.
Fucking thank you
Batman is conspicuously left out
Yeah I would watch something with Queen Flo, Sebastian Stan, and Daniel Bruhl in it
These Morbin memes are killing me.
a couple things here:
- Wonder Woman is a good one that’s left off
- Never gotten immigrants from superman/girl. In fact, they’re an alien race that looks inherently human. If anything characters like Thor and Superman are affronts on organized religion. Anti-immigrant sorts would not be the vocal majority against a real life superman - the religious right’s heads would fucking explode at the idea of an alien race drastically stronger than humans that were nearly immortal
- Deadpool’s antics have always come off as meant to amuse himself. He’s the bugs bunny of superheroes. I’m not sure I could label him as queer, unless I’ve missed a comic run that clearly states otherwise. I’m not sure I could really label him anything, unless we’re talking about Reynolds’s version
Superman started as a parable of the Moses story mixed with the traditional American dream (immigrant comes to America and makes it big). There are definite immigrant parallels intended, but not every writer plays up those aspects of it.
Co-creator of Deadpool
I mean isn’t that what pansexuality is in all honesty
Deadpool and Loki are 100% Pansexual. They’ll bang anything/anyone. I don’t think Deadpool has ever had a boyfriend but that’s because the guys he is always hitting on (Wolvie/Cable/Spidey) are all straight. IIRC one of the writers/creators caught some flack because they described it as “his neurons are constantly rewriting themselves so sometimes he’s straight sometimes gay and it changes by the moment.” I’m pretty sure they stepped that back later so it doesn’t sound like “well if his brain is being funny that day he could be gay.” Anyways, here’s hoping we get a massage fantasy scene is Deadpool 3.
So I should of waited 2 mins before replying…
Why does Wade have tits in the last frame?