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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by snowfx2, Apr 8, 2015.
Captain train #1
Might be a humble opinion but it’s still a bad one
Infinity War is to me on the same level of The Dark Knight (something I never thought I'd ever say about another comic book movie again the first time watching that), in terms of how groundbreaking it was. In TDK, it was Ledger's absolute masterpiece of a performance, for IW, it was how the culmination of 10 years of "hero origin stories" and team-ups had a *villain* as its lead character and actually managed to pull it off and in turn made Thanos one of the best portrayed and most complex characters ever put on film.
I’m friends with a lot of non-comic fans who found Infinity War too confusing and fast paced, while thinking Endgame was a better stand alone film.
if they were non comic book fans, how the hell did they keep up with all the other movie callbacks in End Game? And if they did, wtf was in Infinity War that was remotely hard to follow?
The plot of Captain America telling an elevator full of *supposed* Shield agents "hail hydra" then fighting himself and mentioning Bucky to get him to drop his guard is infinitely more complex to follow than any of Infinity War's plotlines, if you went into both movies relatively blind.
Captain Train entrance was kinda meh for me since they fucking spoiled it in the trailer
I think they still went to see the other Marvel movies but they just aren’t deep comic book fans
That’s fine, but I’m with IanBoyd on this one. Infinity War was very straightforward. It established who Thanos is quickly, and even did a walkthrough of what the Infinity Stones are and why he wants them.
Endgame had time travel back to other Marvel films without much exposition as to why they chose those timelines. I just think there were a lot more past movie threads to follow in Endgame than Infinity War.
The explanation for those timelines were pretty flimsy if you try to pick it apart hard enough, if they wanted a time/place where the stones were close together, pick the planet Thanos' garden was on and set the time at the day before he snapped the stones to atoms.
Nat wouldn't even have needed to die for the Soul Stone, Gamora already died for it in that time/place, and we've already seen that Thor with Stormbreaker in hand can still kill Thanos with the gauntlet.
Oh, so go get the stones from a full infinity gauntlet wielding Thanos who literally could fart you out of existence. Have at it Nat!!!
Or play out the sequence exactly like the start of End Game, with Captain Marvel ambushing Thanos as a distraction then Thor chopping his arm off with Stormbreaker?
Again that was Thanos with no stones and having taken a beating from two snaps
Thor with Stormbreaker already beat full gauntlet Thanos in Wakanda
You mean when he hit him with one axe shot and Thanos proceeded to mock him before killing half the universe and retiring to his farm
Yes, the one where Thanos would have died had Thor aimed for a different part to throw his axe at, its not like Thanos ate that axe hit on purpose to flex.
Now trust me, I’ve gone on record multiple times that Silvestri’s use of the “avengers theme” in IW was one of the greatest score usages in history. That started with Cap and the train scene, they played the intro to the “Avenger’s scene”. That’s why you get so jacked. Then we hear nothing from that theme till the crew enter Wakanda on the QuinJet. Middle section is played, and from that point till the battle of Wakanda we hear him play off of the Avengers theme. They cut between Wakanda and Nidavellir and the theme remains the same, then they form Stormbreaker, Thor’s out, Groot becomes the handle and.....silence. First time in like 15-20 minutes you hear no score. Silvestri’s been cock teasing this theme for 20 minutes now nothing...spark of lightning, then the peak of the Avengers theme blasts, we respond in the Pavlovian manner and next thing we know: Thor+Rabbit+Tree=Bring Me THANOSSS.
Both of those moments are incredible. But seeing Thor and IM out cold. Knowing Steve was only moments behind them but strapped up that broken shield (I can do this all day) and then :static:......”on you left” just absolutely perfect.
Everything Thanos does is to flex. Thor’s only chance was to behead Thanos before he knew the blade even touched him. Literally, Thanos feels the blade hit his neck, he triggers the time stone, goes back 10 seconds, triggers the reality Stone, turns Thor into a rabbit, triggers the space stone and ships Thor-Rabbit off into a space ship with some Ravengers.
Didn’t they show in IW Thanos needs to be able/ have time to close his fist before he can use a stone while wearing the Gauntlet?
That’s what he showed because he was having fun.
Your theories here make it seem like you've watched too many Honest Trailers and How it Should Have Ended clips. Your End Game movie would not be very enjoyable.
Ant-Man goes back in time, sneaks in and takes the gauntlet because Thanos has removed it to take a shit.
Watched the commentary version of End Game the other day and one thing that struck me was how cognizant they were of spacing out stuff to create some of those moments.
They teased that Natasha and Clint were going to Vormir and you knew one of them was dying, but then they wait 45 minutes during all these emotional moments with the other characters to bring them back to the screen and you think "oh fuck, that's right. One of them is dying here." Hulk does the snap, and they purposefully played out the next 20 minutes of showing nothing but Clint's wife calling him (so you know it worked), and then you see Thanos fighting the three big guns and completely forget that everyone has been snapped back. Then "on your left" comes and you freak out because of course they were all coming back and going to fight Thanos at some point.
We don’t speak of that.
Yeah, but time traveling Thor was fat drunk Thor, not sexy thunder god Thor. Fat drunk Thor with both Stormbreaker and Mjolnir got wiped out by a Thanos with zero infinite stones.
Here’s the thing. Russo’s = The Goats.
You think you could do better?
Wouldn't say it was infinitely more complex. At some point it had a limit.
Some people just don't get how sacrificing something you love works...
This was fine.
But also great
That's the flaw in every single movie involving time travel, the plot gets thrown out for the sake of a "more exciting" story, if time travel powers were an option, every problem would have a solution that takes no more than 5 minutes to solve.
Yea my version of End Game would have sucked as a movie, but pretty much any movie with time travel as an ex machina will glaring plotholes.
Not to mention the fact Thanos would have kicked the shit out of them with all the Stones. He did it before without much effort. Yes, Captain Marvel is powerful, but she’s not Infinity Gauntlet powerful.
I don’t agree with all the creative decisions in Endgame, but they definitely needed to collect them before Thanos had the full set.
Then go to the exact second Thanos rips the stone out of Vision, Thor comes in, chops his arms off, roll credits.
It's a movie about a bunch of superheroes and aliens. There's going to be glaring "plotholes" like you're describing no matter how they do it.
Damn, you guys really out-nerded yourselves in here.
That was literally what happened in the first movie and it failed and that was before Thor was under the influence of cheese whiz
Cap train scene was not that good, even more so because of the trailer.
Grouping it with Thor/Wakanda and EG final sequence is heresy
Thor > Iron Man > Cap
I agree. Thor on Wakanda is one of the best entrances in movie history and i was in tears during the whole EG final sequence.
cross posting from the Star Wars thread.
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Where do you join for free?
on the membership page it lists the gold memberships then in a little black box underneath them says become a D23 general member, which is the free one.
On this day, you have evolved beyond being merely a lazy bum. Tyfys.
I don’t know when Goldblum permanently became the Grandmaster but I love it.
This got very sexual very quickly and I'm glad I have my headphones plugged in.
More like whatever role Goldblum is cast in, that role permanently becomes Goldblum.