Marvel Thread: We’re in the Endgame now

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  1. superfly0212

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  2. bigpig

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    I think Professor X should function like Nick Fury does in the MCU. He should be the overarching mentor-type, sometimes having a bigger role in X movies than in others, but always he's around, moving pieces to where they need to be.

    With him established, I'd have a series of trilogies featuring different X-Men lineups. No need to cast a Greatest Hits of the team for three movies and then be done with them; have one team of five or six for a few movies, then another team for a few movies, etc. Then do a big Avengers-style team-team up every decade or so. Fox never fully realized the potential they had with X-Men. It's a brand with more depth of character and story than Avengers. Honestly, it's amazing what Kevin Feige was able to do with just Marvel's unsellable scraps.
     
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  3. PeterGriffin

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    User @KevinFeige, hire this guy
     
  4. Wu

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    Professor X in a “pimp my ride” wheelchair powered by Stark tech
     
  5. TheGrifter

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    I don't think they were all "scraps." It just took someone with Feige's creativity to create a MCU without ever using the word mutants. Iron Man definitely received a huge bump in popularity. I won't argue there.

    I'd say, prior to the MCU, I'd put the current Avengers in these Tiers when it comes to comics notoriety/popularity. In no order:

    Tier 1
    Cap
    Thor
    Hulk
    Doctor Strange

    Tier 2
    Black Panther
    Iron Man
    Captain Marvel
    Scarlet Witch

    Tier 3
    Hawkeye
    Black Widow
    Quicksilver
    Vision
    Winter Soldier

    Tier 4
    GotG
    Ant Man

    You can definitely debate some of these, but I think the first four have always been heavy hitters in the comics.
     
  6. PeterGriffin

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    I think he was referring to them being unsellable when Marvel was piecemeal selling the rights of their properties to stay afloat. Why didn't Fox or Sony or whoever buy Cap/Thor/Hulk/Strange if they were so popular/such valuable properties?
     
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  7. JeremyLambsFace

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    They could honestly build an entire X-Men world independent of the Avengers in the same vein with individual origin movies leading to a team up and then have them crossover into movies with the Avengers and a big team-up event.
     
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  8. TheGrifter

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    Outside of Spider-Man, the X-Men were definitely the most valuable. I won't argue that for a second. I just don't think the Tier 1 characters were unsellable. I'm not an executive at Fox, but I'm going to assume they figured they had unlocked enough of the Marvel characters to not need to pay for more. And they should have had enough.
     
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  9. Celemo

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    they totally weren't unsellable. I'm assuming Fox was content with X-Men, Spider-Man, and FF
     
  10. fsuNizz

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    give me Idris Elba as Bishop. But, hopefully he's in an X-Force film
     
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  11. zeberdee

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    I think there are enough actors out there that nobody should be playing multiple characters (except Josh Brolin).
     
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    damn it! i wrote that not thinking about Heimdall.

    i feel shame
     
  13. Wu

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    Assuming they’ll go full reboot and recast everyone, Xavier seems like a good character to recast as black

    David Gyasi or David Oyelowo
     
  14. Babou

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    Phase 4 movie - someone tell me if this should be deleted

    I don't know how this ties in with the comics compared to what's happened so far in the MCU, so spoilered.

    Eternals movies starts filming later this year, apparently. With Angelina Jolie as Sersi.
     
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  15. fsuNizz

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    It helps open up the world to more characters off of Earth.
     
  16. Wu

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    David Harbour confirmed the Black Widow movie begins filming in June
     
  17. bigpig

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    Recency bias says Cap, Iron Man, Dr. Strange, etc were valuable properites.

    They weren't selling big on the racks and no one wanted to touch making movies about them. Various attempts were in development over the years but they all stalled out because no one knew what to do with them. Also special effects weren't where they needed to be to make someone like Dr. Strange work.

    Look at the original Avengers line up. The average person maybe knew WHO Captain America was but he was a joke. His name is "Captain America," I mean come on. Iron Man was invisible to the casual viewer. Same with Hawkeye and Black Widow. If you showed a picture of Thor to people on the street in 2004 they 90% wouldn't have even known his name. The only one anyone knew was the Hulk and that was thanks to the TV show that was very very unlike the comics. Hulk was the only one to get a theatrical release prior to the MCU and it was an artistically made dud that barely made its money back, if that.

    Don't even get me started on the total obscurity of the Phase two line-up. Guardians of the Galaxy? Are you kidding?

    And it wasn't just the average ticket-buyer (which, in this case, is all important). Marvel comics were selling horribly in the 90's and early 2000's, with three exceptions: Spider-Man, X-Men (various runs) and the big crossover team-up stuff. No one was buying Iron Man comics, no one was buying Cap comics. No one was buying Thor comics. Shoot, DareDevil was selling more copies than Thor, Cap, and Iron Man COMBINED in the first half of the 2000s.

    Kevin Feige (with a big assist by Jon Favreau, RDJ, and Joss Whedon) built the MCU in a cave with a box of scraps.
     
  18. Hank Scorpio

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    Sounds like you've done a Conrad Thompson deep dive into the numbers for these properties.
     
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    How old are you out of curiosity?

    I remember playing the falcon games as a wee lad in the early 90s and knowing full well who these guys were. Granted, they might not have been as popular but I’m sure more people knew who they were than you are giving credit...
     
  20. bigpig

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    Not recently but I did a lot of research for an article a few years ago. I don't remember the numbers specifically anymore, just the general conclusions.
     
  21. bigpig

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    35, and I wasn't taking into account kids but casual audiences (18-35 demographic). A kid will always know more characters due to video games, cartoon shows, and other tie-ins, but the fact is no one was buying the comics and the casual audience didn't know those characters, meaning the movies had little to no box office foundation to build on.
     
  22. bturns

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    Ahhh... I see what you are saying...
     
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  23. letan

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    Damn forgot about Bishop. Was a big favorite of mine when I was a kid.
     
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  24. Pelican Grove

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    X-Men has such great characters. They could do standalone movies on Bishop, magneto, cyclops, *cough* gambit, rogue, storm, etc.

    Important to note: my iPhone changed to cyclops to clay lips before correcting.
     
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  25. Wu

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    They’d have to use this song in some capacity or we riot

     
  26. TheGrifter

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  27. portlandspartan

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    Bro. Spoilers.
     
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  28. TheGrifter

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    Fuck you, portlandspartan

    I meant to type, “Fuck you, Thor.” My bad.
     
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  29. bigpig

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    After they brought back the classic Spider-Man theme song for the MCU movie, I'm 100% confident we'll get a variant of the X-Men TV show.

    And I will headbang.
     
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  30. DirtBall

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    Silvestri would absolutely wait till like an 9 movie build up climax scene and bust out a version of it. Don’t know if I’d jizz myself or shit myself but if I were a betting man I’d say both.
     
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  31. Wu

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    Have to include crying as well

    At least that’s I’ve heard is a usual reaction
     
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  32. DirtBall

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    I think it’d be cool if they slowly introduced X-Men characters before they started branching into their own movies. We could see Rogue in a Captain Marvel 2, Storm in a Black Panther 3, Mags could appear in the SW series, etc.
     
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  33. Pelican Grove

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    Time travel should play a big part in introducing the X-Men.

    Bishop should be the one to do it too. Create a storyline where Bishop is introduced in the future (and maybe not identical to the DOFP story) but he must travel back to warn the current MCU of what is ahead.

    Within the story you introduce a couple of X-Men characters that he must save/kill -- Bishop vs. Cable would be awesome. Cable would know Bishop from the future (in this story) and Deadpool, maybe Black Panther, Ant-Man, whoever would be involved somehow.

    Doesn't matter who's involved from the current MCU -- so much depth and talent to write a new story.
     
  34. Fusiontegra

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    Bored and want to be exceptionally nerdy? How many can you name? Answer in spoiler.

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  35. bigpig

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    neat

     
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  37. Celemo

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    Katherine Langford...yes please
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  38. zeberdee

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    when is Disney+ supposed to launch?
     
  39. superfly0212

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    13 reasons girl?
     
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  40. Wu

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    By EOY
     
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  41. Celemo

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    yup...apparently she's already in End Game too
     
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  42. zeberdee

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    not a fan
     
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  43. Celemo

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    I havent seen a second of 13 reasons, just googled "Kate Bishop" to see if fans were already clamoring for a casting call and she came up several times
     
  44. superfly0212

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    she's cute. i'd hit it. that probably isn't saying much though. i'm more of a yes or no kind of guy instead of 1-10
     
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  45. Wu

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    I find her attractive but I only watched like 2 episodes of 13 Reasons so I don’t have much to go by
     
  46. prerecordedlive

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  47. snowfx2

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    I think she’s already been shown in the trailer
     
  48. Wu

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  49. skiedfrillet

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