In theory, if the Jews got up and left Israel and moved to like, Baja California, how would the Quran treat them?
Im not as online as i come off as, but ive seen extremely little apetite to get involved by anyone irl and the only people pushing it offline are legacy news media talking heads. Even the gross far right and regularish left are like "nah" largely. The only consistent bloc ive seen for any involvement are evangelicals who want everyone besides themselves to be obliterated anyway. I dont think millenials, gen z, et al want to do wars anymore
I don’t think we’ve seen how ugly this is gonna get. Israel’s current Natsec Minister was convicted for being a part of a terrorist organization 15 years ago. We have never seen one of these escalations in the conflict where this government has been so far into wackjob territory, and now they have to save face for not seeing this coming.
I was coming here to say that Twitter has been completely useless and so much has been muddled with misinformation.
Well, I cant really get away from the chat. There's one camp (which is most of them) that are wholly uneducated and ignorant on the topic and just know youre suppose to support Israel because years and years of propaganda. They literally barely know better, so Im having kid gloves convos w them. They're not closed minded just impressionable idiots. I have a few cousins and in laws that think Ben Shapiro is too liberal. It's all out war w them. Then you have a few people who despite all those years of propaganda, know it's not a binary issue and there are criticisms of Israel, but cant articulate them and are rhetorically awful and walk into every trap the shitstains lay for them. (Just pls stop talking mom. I know youre trying to help, but youre not). Then there's me and another cousin trying to make it all somewhat productive and lead some horses in the first group to water.
The broader push back on that wsj report from major outlets been a small bright spot in the reporting
The I support the IDF at all costs followed by the call for peace and understanding post are mind-boggling.
Theyre full in on framing palestinians as animals while also wanting to be trendy and socially accepted. Bloodlust isnt a good look for people younger than 40 anymore
People in general are ignorant and just following the lead of others. Especially when it comes to empty gestured virtue signaling on social media. They dont know how moronically contradictory that statement is
m Expulsion of the Israeli ambassador. He is not a serious operator, see this tweet from him yesterday.
This helps Netanyahu's narrative so much I swear to fucking god Hamas is doing Bibi's bidding here. I mean, most of Hamas' senior leadership is nowhere near Gaza right now -- sipping tea in high rise apartments in Qatar or some shit, but they sure as fuck aren't getting bombed in Gaza.
I mean most people are too busy to be able to have nuanced foreign policy takes. Would be nice if most people just said that instead of trying to become experts overnight.
His call for the expulsion of the Ambassador of Israel and his “bewilderment” at why Israel allows Jews to move there despite having “no connection” to the place. He described it at its heart a racist concept. He does this whilst claiming to want a two state solution. He isn’t actually serious about that- he wants Israel gone. I say this because I actually used some of the talking points on here 10 years to wind up a few lads (goes to show how much attitudes have changed here since given the tone of this thread…). I am very pro Palestine but he is not a serious actor on 90% of topics. Last year in response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine he organised a March where himself and his pals blamed NATO. If your first reaction to Israeli (and European and Irish citizens) getting mowed down by a terror group is to post a Palestinian flag then you really aren’t serious about the problem being solved. One of his political party colleagues tweeted shortly after the below and this is pretty much the view of his buddies .
The ticker below is a sad juxtaposition "Israel to cut off electricity to Gaza" "Israel to cut off food and water to Gaza" "Israel warns Gaza of further military strikes" CNN had this same fucking line of questioning. IDK if it was the same guy, but "Do you support Hamas" is the same bullshit alt-right bigots yelled at every Muslim after 9/11. Every black person after a police murders one of them. Let's start with the fucking oppressors and have a truthful conversation. Killing civilians is flat out wrong. Everyone agrees. Let's pull up some maps and see who is killing more
What I said back to you and see also my post above. If you’re claiming to want a two state solution but are feigning bewilderment why Jews are being given citizenship to the Jewish state then you really aren’t serious about two states.
the death toll in Gaza has to be in the thousands already. those large apartments getting dropped all have human beings in them. I need a break from this shit.
He's making a point that anyone with jewish heritage can become a citizen and have full rights, granted land, and monetary beneifts to move there while their own current citizens aren't even allowed to leave open air prisons, can't freely seek education or medical care, and don't have the same rights as current citizens or ones who claim birth right.
Fucked up in so many different ways. We have Bibi essentially ignoring his own citizens safety because he is in a game of chicken with Hamas. You turn the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza into a “no win” scenario in order to turn the tables of blame.
Woo boy made the mistake of finding a bunch of videos on telegram in chronological order. Blood/gore don’t phase me but there really is some despicable shit on there. 16 year old kids in skinny jeans sawing peoples heads off shouting God is great, just has a way of fucking with sympathy for your cause I guess. Not anything groundbreaking but I think it’s ok to both wholeheartedly oppose what Israel has done to Palestine for the past 75 years while also saying that the shit that occurred during the attack (specifically the music festival) was pretty irredeemable. Israel is having a 9/11 moment right now and I remember how bloodthirsty the US was in the immediate aftermath. Really hoping this doesn’t turn into a larger conflict with Lebanon and Iran.
You see that’s not the case. If Boyd Barrett really cared about a two state solution he would not bring up the fact that Jews can live there. The concept of Israel exists for a very clear reason and if you accept the two state solution you accept why Jews can go and live there (or the concept of Israel). He is as disingenuous as any hardcore Zionist creating illegal settlements but claiming to support the two state solution.
The problem with this take is that Israel has likely already killed more Palestinian civilians in response than Hamas did on Saturday.
Its also what happens when you kill the parents of a bunch of 10-12 year olds 5 or so years ago and their only parenting left is each other or people who can promise them retribution. Its not redeemable at all.
We killed more civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq than Al Qaeda did in 9/11. What point are you making here? I’m not saying I’m for indiscriminate retaliatory civilian bombing, I’m saying Hamas knew what would happen in response and their goal is to open a broader Middle East conflict to hopefully better their situation and/or eliminate Israel. Doing it in a manner that gains little sympathy for your cause that wasn’t already there probably wouldn’t be my strategy but hey they’ve only been trying the same thing for decades, let’s see how this one plays out.
Dang, the Wikipedia read on these dudes are crazy. It would be like having an outspoken Timothy McVeigh supporter as the Secretary of Defense.
there is no "problem with the take" that the violence depicted on social media was despicable jesus christ
My point is that I don’t believe your framing is accurate. Killing civilians is awful. What Hamas did Saturday was awful. Saying that Israel is having their 9/11 and that Hamas is harming support for their cause seems like it’s erasing Israel’s killing of civilians at numbers significantly greater than Hamas’ actions.
I agree with you 100%. Loss of life sucks regardless of which side. I'm sure I'm going to get accused of "both sides bad," but public executions are inexcusable. Maybe this is a media/pr problem but outside of this board (which like everything in life is susceptible to group think) people seem to be pretty upset at both sides. I've also seen a lot of blame on the Palestinians as a whole on their influence into Lebanon Egypt etc. I have lots of Jewish, Paki, Jordanian and Palestinian friends (yay higher education) and the responses are about what you would expect. Israel is the one who got super aggressive with stuxnet and let that cat out of the bag so I fear they're going to be pretty brutal in their response. I don't know what the right answer to any of this is.