Moana vs Encanto

It’s just crazy how many movies and shows they f’d up

 

Shocking what happens when you take creative control away from the creatives.

 

do they have anything new coming?

 

deadpool 3

 

I mean a new animated feature that isn’t a sequel. they’re due for a hit.

 

Didn't realize Auli'i Cravalho was Janice in the new Mean Girls musical movie.

 

They just released Wish and it was pretty bad. I shouldn't say bad, just very forgettable. Kid hasn't mentioned it once since watching it.

 

Holy shit, they took the Moana series that had been in production and converted it on the fly to a full length feature. This thing is gonna be a mess

 

It took now to realize? Not Toy Story 4..or 5…or Frozen 2…or 3…or Zootopia 2. Im probably missing others.

 

no more like all the incredible bombs they’ve had recently like Lightyear or The Marvels- Disney is hemorrhaging cash

those movies above did well

 

They might have done well but Toy Story 4 was trash (heh) imo. Haven't sat through Frozen 2 start to finish but feel like I've caught enough to not care to. I guess what I'm saying has already been said and there is no originality just pumping out sequels for cash.

 

look they can do originality just write better movies or series - Disney’s problem hasn’t been sequels to successful movies it’s all the stand alone original stuff even if it’s in a universe we know already

My five year old doesn’t watch anything that is new from Disney, he continues to watch all the old stuff.

 

Frozen 2 was pretty good

 

so was Toy Story 4- Forky is great

 

Onward is great.

 

Yea I won't stand for Frozen 2 slander. I watched it 800 times and it's a solid movie.

 

The problem is they got woke. Making movies about the evils of imperialism and how powerful people exploit prejudice for political gain instead of good movies smh

 

Okay Ill withdraw my Frozen 2 take until I fully watch. My youngest loved the first but never cared for 2. Any time I looked up I was wildly confused, especially the water horse.

 

no they just made shitty movies, the woke thing isn’t real

 

They cost themselves a lot of money by putting actual good movies straight to Disney Plus. Turning Red and Luca are probably the last good movies the studio made, and neither spent a day in theaters.

 

You know there was a thing called a pandemic right? Luca came out in 2021. Putting anything in a theater at that point was dumb.

 

Theaters were open when Turning Red was released

 

You can also just shelve that movie until theaters are back open. The entire world was getting subscriptions to every streaming service they could in 2020. You don't need to entice people with Soul or Luca. They're gonna get Disney Plus anyway

 

Yes, and they sold half the tickets they did in 2019. Between that and trying to build out Disney+, I get the decision.

Disney is fine imo. They need a banger every 2-3 years. They had Frozen 1/2, then Moana, then Encanto in 2022. The Pandemic messed with release schedules so they are due for a big one here soon.

 

Disney Plus was almost 3 years old when they punted Turning Red to it. Who that didn't already have a Disney Plus subscription was going to be swayed by that? All the streaming services do this shit and then wonder why they're hemorrhaging money.

 

Can someone explain the last 30 minutes of Frozen 2 cause I’m still not sure what the hell is going on.

 

they need to stop making the animation so uniform. all the new characters look alike.

 

Starting a new platform costs a lot. Their earnings report was pretty damn good.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/disn...end-as-streaming-losses-narrow-210518309.html

 

Iger already fixing things for the mouse but they still have a lot of work to do. They still need to fix their creative. Look at this list of movies- basically 95% of the movies from 2020 on are bad or at best forgettable.

https://d23.com/list-of-disney-films/

760. 2020: Timmy Failure: Mistakes Were Made (PG) [Disney+]
761. 2020: Onward (Pixar) (PG)
762. 2020: Stargirl (PG) [Disney+]
763. 2020: Dolphin Reef (Disneynature) (G) [Disney+]
764. 2020: Elephant (Disneynature) (G) [Disney+]
765. 2020: Artemis Fowl (PG) [Disney+]
766. 2020: Hamilton (PG-13) [Disney+]
767. 2020: Magic Camp (PG) [Disney+]
768. 2020: The One and Only Ivan (PG) [Disney+]
769. 2020: Mulan (PG-13) [Disney+]
770. 2020: Godmothered (PG) [Disney+]
771. 2020: Safety (PG) [Disney+]
772. 2020: Soul (Pixar) (PG) [Disney+]
773. 2021: Posledny bogatyr: Koren’ zla (The Last Warrior: Root of Evil) (NR)
774. 2021: Flora & Ulysses (PG) [Disney+]
775. 2021: Raya and the Last Dragon (PG) [Theatrical & Disney+]
776. 2021: Cruella (PG-13) [Theatrical & Disney+]
777. 2021: Luca (Pixar) (PG) [Theatrical & Disney+]
778. 2021: Black Widow (Marvel) (PG-13) [Theatrical & Disney+]
779. 2021: Jungle Cruise (PG-13) [Theatrical & Disney+]
780. 2021: Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (Marvel) (PG-13)
781. 2021: Eternals (Marvel) (PG-13)
782. 2021: Encanto (PG)
783. 2021: Diary of a Wimpy Kid (20th Century Animation) (PG) [Disney+]
784. 2021: Posledny bogatyr: Poslannik t’my (The Last Warrior: A Messenger of Darkness) (NR)
785. 2022: The Ice Age Adventures of Buck Wild (20th Century Animation) (PG) [Disney+]
786. 2022: The Beatles: Get Back – The Rooftop Concert (PG-13)
787. 2022: Turning Red (Pixar) (PG) [Disney+]
788. 2022: Cheaper by the Dozen (20th Century Studios) (PG) [Disney+]
789. 2022: Better Nate Than Ever (PG) [Disney+]
790. 2022: Polar Bear (Disneynature) (PG) [Disney+]
791. 2022: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (Marvel) (PG-13)
792. 2022: Chip ’n Dale: Rescue Rangers (PG) [Disney+]
793. 2022: Hollywood Stargirl (PG) [Disney+]
794. 2022: Lightyear (Pixar) (PG)
795. 2022: Rise (PG) [Disney+]
796. 2022: Thor: Love and Thunder (Marvel) (PG-13)
797. 2022: Mija (PG-13)
798. 2022: Pinocchio (PG) [Disney+]
799. 2022: Hocus Pocus 2 (PG) [Disney+]
800. 2022: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (Marvel) (PG-13)
801. 2022: Strange World (PG)
802. 2022: Disenchanted (PG) [Disney+]
803. 2022: Diary of a Wimpy Kid: Rodrick Rules (PG) [Disney+]
804. 2022: Night at the Museum: Kahmunrah Rises Again (PG) [Disney+]
805. 2023: Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (Marvel) (PG-13)
806. 2023: Chang Can Dunk (PG) [Disney+]
807. 2023: Peter Pan & Wendy (PG) [Disney+]
808. 2023: Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (Marvel) (PG-13)
809. 2023: Crater (PG) [Disney+]
810. 2023: The Little Mermaid (PG)
811. 2023: Elemental (Pixar) (PG)
812. 2023: World’s Best (PG) [Disney+]
813. 2023: Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Lucasfilm) (PG-13)
814. 2023: Haunted Mansion (PG-13)
815. 2023: The Marvels (Marvel) (PG-13)
816. 2023: Dashing Through the Snow (PG) [Disney+]
817. 2023: Wish (PG)
818. 2023: Diary of a Wimpy Kid Christmas: Cabin Fever (PG) [Disney+]

also, Frozen 2 > Frozen 1

 

Luca really stands out there

 

Didn’t Disney just announce strong economic gains and a huge stock buyback? Where’s the disconnect?

 

Hamilton
Cruella
Luca
Encanto
Turning Red
Black Panther
Little Mermaid

They can't all be hits but that's not bad for 3 years and I probably missed a couple.

 

They made $89B last year, $7B more than 2022.

 

As an Adam Devine enthusiast, I won’t stand for any Magic Camp shaming.

 

Wish was decent, at least the soundtrack was great and has been on rotation in the car and our kids Tonie box. Although embarrassed to say I didn’t make the connection to When You Wish Upon a Star until way too late in the movie.

 

This is what happens when you have businessmen maximizing profits at studios.

 

Bingo. Disney used to be run by the "blue sky" method. And shockingly, they made amazing content which made them amazing money. Now it's just cash grab after cash grab. Creativity has plummetted and profits are still high but have stopped the exponential growth they were enjoying previously.

 

It's like that basically across the board at studios now. HBO is suffering through it currently

 

not disney, but the same thing we are talking about.

WB is shuttering a highly anticipated movie and would rather get the write off.

 

Bob Iger reads TMB

 

thought the story was better but the music not nearly as good compared to Frozen 1

 

They did this with Soul and Luca as well

 

Luca only didn’t go straight to theaters because of covid right?

 

That’s what they claimed, but Black Widow was in theaters basically at the same time.

It was more Chapek’s dumb decision to try to drive people to Disney+, when I imagine most people that would’ve seen Luca, Soul, and Turning Red in the theaters already had Disney+ accounts. Thus not attracting new subscribers.

Black Widow was also available for rental on D+ while it was in theaters because of Covid, they didn’t do that with these three Pixar movies.

 

we did movie night this way during Covid

 

So LMM isn’t doing the music for Moana 2. That’s beyond disappointing.

 

This is like if Disney had shoved Return of Jafar into theaters

 

woah woah woah

 

It's actual trash, sorry you had to find out this way. I also liked it when I was 11, but my kids watched it on Disney Plus and it stinks out loud.