I know what your saying, and thought I was including that aspect into it with the "they are cops" comment. Plus, in this particular case, I believe that main officer talking was black too. But I know man, that's what pisses me off about the thing. White woman calls the cops, I'm 100% sure in her call she told them it's a black man being aggressive. She's the POS here, though. Maybe it's lucky one of the main responding officers is black. I hate the fact that even has to be a part of the discussion
I don’t disagree. But this wasn’t a violent encounter. It never got close to being one. The cops never should have been called, but once they were, they are going to show up. Never should have been that many, but the one doing all the talking did a good job. Sorry he didn’t immediately pick a side and put a teacher in cuffs for profiling a man at the park with his child. He did his job. He diffused the situation and kept the teacher away from the man while they sorted it all out.
You can’t just make that assumption. Every time a cop is called the odds of this being one of those stories increases. Tamir Rice was a kid playing with a toy gun. George Floyd was a guy leaving a store. Your points are valid because their right cop showed up. What if it wasn’t? It’s the benefit of hindsight and the privilege of non blacks to look at this as “something that worked out. I see it as a lucky situation that never should have happened.
Nobody is saying it should have happened. Nobody is saying it’s reasonable to call the cops because a dad took his kid to the park. You are arguing against a point that nobody is making
I truly do believe this, but, are there stats (available to us) somewhere to back this theory up? Like actual cold hard numbers in a database?
It’s a flawed question. You’re asking if I can back up my assertion that calling the police on blacks for no crimes is worse and I don’t feel there is a stat that backs that up. That would require more information than police provide for non emergency calls that become arrests based on race. This is the best I can find. This is risk of police force by ethnicity. Blacks are more likely,to be killed by police but it does not factor in variables. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1821204116
stats are hard to believe in these instances so I would just go ahead and trust our guys here who live it everyday.
This is not true and you know it, they didn’t keep her away from her, they formed a fucking wall in front of her to protect her from him. Look at how they are standing in front of her, all their attention and focus is directed towards the guy, they are essentially serving as her personal bodyguards, yet you keep on saying that they are keeping her away from her, why is that?
Watch the whole video man. Come on. The cops are all mostly standing still and the lady is walking around the perimeter. I know, ACAB or whatever, but you guys are trying to turn what was essentially a well responded to nuisance complaint (outside of like 10 cops showing up). It never got violent, nobody touched the dad, nobody threatened the dad, nothing. They even told him multiple times that they don’t have an issue with him. the problem with this video is the fucking teachers who thought they controlled the whole park because they rented a gazebo. I’ll turn it around, what else do you want them to do? They have to show up because they were called.
Maybe, just maybe you should know the rules before you decide to Karen out. They should have known they only had the gazebo. Yes, the cops had to show up, but maybe figure out the facts before you lord your privilege over minorities. This worked out fine because it did. It doesn’t always. That’s what you’re either missing or are intentionally ignoring.
of course they should have. That’s 100% the cause of this entire thing. The fucking teachers thinking that renting a gazebo gave them sole control of the entire park. that’s what they were doing. Figuring out the facts. What specific thing did the cops do the the father that you are upset with. We’ve already ticked the box of too many showed up. What else? In what way did they abuse their power in that encounter? again. You keep mentioning this when nobody is contradicting this issue. Yes. Every encounter with a cop can end in tragedy. But THIS one didn’t. The cops that responded remained calm and talked through the situation with the dad and eventually agreed with him when they got all the facts. What else did you want them to do?
Maybe question her and see if she has a valid complaint before questioning the man sitting on a bench with his kid. The man sitting on the bench shouldn't have to explain that he's doing nothing wrong.
How do you know they didn’t? She’s out of frame for the vast majority of the video. We also don’t know what the specific complaint was. It could have been, anything from “there’s a man who won’t leave the park even though we have it reserved for the day” to there’s a man here at the park harassing me and my class”. You are jumping to so many conclusions to place blame one people who for once in a blue moon did their job properly and without unnecessary violence.
Take as old as time, “sure there are foundational issues but this specific example isn’t proof”. The sheer show of force with that many cops showing up for that kind of complaint is the problem.
I’m done. I was hoping you weren’t doing the thing I thought you were doing but it’s obvious where your bias is. They should have called the cops and a force should have showed up. The history is on your side and nothing bad ever happens. The people calling the cops and the cops handled it perfectly. You happy now?
Are you even reading my posts? I’ve said time and time again the cops never should have been called and the teachers are at fault for the entire thing.
Yup. Acknowledged that as well Multiple times. Never should have happened. The only thing I did was commend the responding officer for remaining calm and not jumping to conclusions.
I love we are down to commending cops for actually doing their job correctly and not shooting or arresting people. Such a low fucking bar.
Absolutely correct. It’s a horribly low bar to clear if that’s the point you are trying to make, I agree with you 100%.
I watched the whole video, but it’s obvious that you didn’t look at the whole video, shit you didn’t even bother looking at the screenshot that I posted. The cops were positioned like they were secret service agents and the teacher was the president, like you admitted she was walking around, freely, he had 2 cops in his face being told to sit while they investigate. I know that you believe that these cops did a good job because you are not part of a demographic that has to deal with the cops even when they are not committing crimes, but I know that if this happens to someone that looks like you your opinion of the incident would be different and that is the problem. You feel that the cops were great in dealing with a black man, but cops should not be graded on curve. Cops should not be applauded for not turning an incident into a violent incident and the fact that you are applauding is the problem. Your bullshit opinion shows that you believe that there should be 2 justice systems one for whites where their rights are respected and one for blacks who should be grateful not to get shot.
Exactly. The cops did a good job to him according to the low bar he's set for Police. In reality it's a fucking terrible job according their oath, their job as public servants, and their standards. But they did such a good job because the black man didn't get hurt right? Fuck off with that shit CF3234 . The black man had every right to tell those cops to fuck off. He was doing a legal activity with his son, he didn't owe those cops an explanation for what or why he was there. The cops should've known that before even getting there. They need to know the laws and policies in their own fucking town. Terrible job by the cops all around.
I would say there is no remotely feasible way to even develop that stat. Anecdote: Two of my best friends are black - one always dresses like he's going to an office meeting and the other dresses about what you would expect a DJ to be wearing at any given time. The latter got manhandled by LAPD because he matched the description of a suspect on the run (black guy in a hoodie - very specific) Thankfully one of my security guards called patrol and got it handled immediately but that's a scary damn call to get and he got cuffed and held at gunpoint - he was just walking home from doing a set at one of my spots. The former never has any issues. Basically yes, America is still racist. "I guess I just have to go out in a fucking tuxedo every night"
I know they didn't bc they wouldn't have bothered the man if they did. "Ma'am, what's the issue?" "We rented the park and he can't be here." "You can't do that. Stop calling us, weirdo." Bam, move on with your day.
You are just making shit up at this point. I just watched the video again. At no point was he told to sit down in that entire video. Just like at no point does the video show the cops intentionally guarding the woman. You just want to dunk on me for having a different opinion so you are literally changing the actual facts of what is happening in the video. Name the time time stamp where the man is told to sit down. It never happens. I’ll simply say that I don’t think it’s unusual for a cop to not know the ordinance of whether a park in his area can be reserved for the day or not. If he worked for the parks and Rec department, he should know. But a regular street cop, yeah that’s below his pay grade. He did what he should do. Diffuse the situation while talking to the guy while dispatch is figuring out whether the park can be rented out.
He's allowed to call someone that knows. Phone a friend is allowed. Putting the guy sitting on the bench with his kid on the defensive isn't good cop'ing.
If we’re at the point where we’re saying “law enforcement shouldn’t have to know the law” what the fuck are we even doing?
That’s exactly what was happening. He was phoning a friend while talking to the guy. There’s a pretty substantial difference between knowing the law and knowing whether one specific park is allowed to be privately reserved.
Nice excuse making for the cops. The cop should know, and its not above his pay grade. His job requires perfection and an understanding of all laws ordinances and policies in his jurisdiction.
Phone a friend so you know the rules before questioning a man that's done nothing wrong in front of his son. This isn't hard. The man that's done nothing wrong shouldn't be forced to explain that he's done nothing wrong. Was this cop awful? No. We've seen way worse. But I'm not going to pat him on the back for not being awful. A good cop would have listened to the complaint, learned the lady was in the wrong, told the lady to fuck off, and told the man to enjoy his day. That would be good cop'ing. A man that's done nothing wrong now has a son that's upset and he's going to have to explain all of this to him bc a cop that didn't know the rules decided to question him when he'd done nothing wrong.
Actually yes. My city park allows you to completely rent out an area like the splash pad if you want. Obviously a lot more expensive than just the gazebo.
My assumption is that he was told there was an aggressive man harassing a teacher and her class. Once he arrived he discovered the truth and tried to find out what the rules were for that park. Again. That’s my assumption
I think most will agree that the worst cop in this situation is the dispatcher, but I can’t absolve cops rolling up 8-10 deep for anything short of an active shooter situation.
Complete agreement. That situation called for 1 cop to get to the bottom of what was happening and tell the teacher to fuck off. actually. The situation called for the parks and Rec department to be called to send a guy out to tell the teacher to fuck off. But that requires the very unlikely assumption that she told the truth when she called on the complaint.
aT nO pOInt DoES tHe vIDeO sHOw tHe cOpS iNtetIOnAlLY gUArDiNg tHe wOMaN How the fuck can you claim to have watched the video when you didn’t even bother watching a simple screenshot? What the fuck do you call what these cops are doing? Do you think they are trying to keep him away from him or him away from her? I’ll give you a hint, typically the cops would be looking at the person they consider to be a threat and who are they looking at right here? I’m not trying to “dunk” on you, you’re doing a great job dunking on yourself right now. It’s obvious however that you have dug your heels in and no matter what you are going to hold on to defending the cops even though you know they were wrong. You’re exposing yourself with your stance that we should be happy with the fact that this didn’t turn violent, a fucking bar that would never be accepted if this guy was white and you damn well know it.
All you did was post a screen shot and give your opinion on it. considering you also claimed the cops told him to sit down, you aren’t a reliable narrator here
Yes, because the video was already posted, would you like me to post it again, so you can ignore it a second time? But, let’s talk about the picture, what’s your opinion? Do they look like they’re protecting him from her or her from him?
My opinion is that she’s using them to shield herself from him because she’s a coward. Feel free to post the time stamp where he was told to sit down or stay away from her
Did she force them to stand like that and look at it as though he was a threat? She has that much power where she can make them look at the black dude as though he’s a threat?
Standing with hands clearly visible and away from their fire arm or taser? How do you want them to stand? You keep criticizing without saying what they could be doing better. yes I know, not be there at all.
People been said what should’ve been done, shit you even said what should’ve been done in your own reply, but you keep acting like that many cops being there is not a big deal. So, let’s go with your opinion that it’s not a big deal to have 8 cops on scene, they could’ve not flanked him, the 2 primary cops could’ve given him more space, they should’ve not accused him of being aggressive, right? But by all means ignore everything I said and keep on acting like black people should just be happy with not being shot every time they interact with cops.
Quote the post where I said it was ok for that many cops to be there. Do it. what you want, then to stand 10 feet away and yell back and forth? The 2 primary cops were in normal conversation range.