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  1. TLAU

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    kinda like ending season 1 of Lost with them staring down into the Hatch but not going in the motherfucker until season 2? :theswarm:
     
  2. Odin

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    why can't you people just let me watch the show in peace?
     
  3. TLAU

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    we are also to believe that Dolores went to the chapel, but hallucinated and saw it as sand covered, and left to go run around being chased by ghosts of the army, only to "come to" under the tree and go BACK to the chapel, which was actually uncovered the whole fucking time.
     
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    There is at minimum an element of truth to this.

    We've seen his family and Bernarnold.

    Plus the previews show Dolores seeing her own grave. The story behind that we don't know yet, but it's in a graveyard so maybe there are others.
     
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  5. TLAU

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    Ford's family was *allegedly made by Arnold, he just made his dad more of an asshole :comicbookguy:
     
  6. Voodoo

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    Maybe seeing the old photo of William's fiance that Abernathy #1 dug up caused her to malfunction and start her journey.
     
  7. Larry Sura

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    That would make ensemble thst Hector is based off Logan too
     
  8. TLAU

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    well that and Arnold using the bicameral machine to talk to her both started the malfunctions. but, assuming multiple timelines, she's taking the exact same path as she did with William, that was diverted numerous times by factors that aren't there 30 years later:

    meeting William/Logan to begin with and arresting Lawrence's man that led them to Pariah
    Getting off the train due to Ambush caused by Logan
    Church being buried in William time but not in current time
    being captured by a Logan-led army

    Curious/hoping for the explanation is gonna be for this in the finale. if they don't give one then the whole "we answered all the questions" is bullshit. pretty awful if they ignore explaining why she's taking the exact same detours as the first time without the catalysts. Mostly her being at the damn city swallowed by sand when it was excavated in present time but just turning around and leaving "because that's what happened 30 years ago when it was still buried"
     
  9. Nelson

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    really like this
     
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  10. Professor Moriarty

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    When she went with William, it was post massacre and Ford covered up the crime scene "the town buried in sand".

    We see Dolores flash between multiple timelines at the edge of the water in the canon. With William, there's multiple dead bodies. She sees herself, looks back, William and all the corpses are gone.

    When she approaches the church by herself she's wearing her shit kicker but the scene immediately shifts to her in her dress and all the speaking in tongues hosts.

    She flashes between two timelines when she goes down the confessional elevator. Dead hosts on current timeline, young Ford in older timeline.
     
  11. Line 4 Guy

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    if you believe the multi timeline theory its very easy. those 2 events are 30 years apart.
     
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    I think she's hallucinating and reliving everything from her past journey with William. We know that seeing the photo caused her dad to start malfunctioning which resulted in him being retired. I forget the circumstances surrounding her finding the gun in her dresser, but that may be important to.. We saw her hallucinate in Pariah when she talked to herself at the tarot card table. Her actions are based off of computer code. Maybe seeing the photo or pistol caused her to malfunction and believe that she was back in a previous life, in which case her code would cause her to repeat the same actions she took 30 years previously.



    Another thought I just had is that maybe her past journey with William never actually happened and is just her cornerstone memory. That would be fun.
     
  13. UKupNorth

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    Possibly a good thought.
     
  14. BamaNug

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    Only problem with this is we saw William independent of Dolores, as in entering the park, etc
     
  15. Larry Sura

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    I think Maeve's interaction with Bernard proves that Felix and Sylvester are just dumb humans and not hosts. Minor theory that hasn't been discussed for a while, but worth nothing.
     
  16. PrimordialBooze

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    I think they already have. It's like when Maeve remembered cutting the MiB, but she actually cut Clementine. They live out their memories like they are actually happening.
     
  17. GuyOnA_Buffalo

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    Even if MIB is William, that doesn't mean Dolores knows that. She's getting wiped and rolled back all the time. She'd need to become "enlightened" all over again.
     
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    I may not have explained it clearly. It's tough to talk about this confusing ass timeline/hallucinating shit in depth. I've already considered everything you said above before posting this that you quoted but will try and lay it out differently

    1 - goes with william to river / chapel town
    2 - Timeline change you mention where there are no bodies but she's still in pants suit = she's in place #1 without william 30 years later
    3 - Timeline change back to William time, town is covered in sand so they leave (at this point she has reached her destination and it's not covered in sand in Present Time)
    4 - captured by logan's soldiers
    5 - escapes and runs away, stabbed
    6 - "comes to" in present time, not stabbed, running from... ??? soldiers that weren't there
    7 - goes to chapel town in present time where there is no sand, which there wasn't any the first time she went there but she still fucking left

    If there are two timelines that we're watching #3-6 simply don't need to happen in the non-William timeline. She's gets to #7... at point 2 in the journey. I'd like to know why in the hell she would leave, only to return 5 steps later, when there are no catalysts to make that path necessary. As of right now I can't think of a purpose and I think this show is above having garbage writing plot holes just for the sake of fucking with the audience.

    The best explanation, that is no long possible because of #6 happening, is that she went to the chapel town in step 2 - present time / non-william - sees flashbacks of herself shooting up the town and committing suicide - then comes to with William and goes through steps 4-5 ONLY in the William timeline. While in the present, she snaps out of the flashback, realizes that the town isn't covered in sand, she's by herself, and just walks into the chapel like she ends up doing anyways... but noooooo they had to mind fuck a little more by throwing in step 6.

    hopefully that's explained better
     
  19. TLAU

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    was this in this week's episode? only time I remember Maeve cutting MiB was in his retelling of the story of shooting her daughter to Talulah Riley. When was the cutting part told from her POV?

    And I think living out the memory thing has happened with Dolores but it a single traumatic instance in the barn where she shot home boy. (see this several times with characters but it's always a single instance/reaction). Graduating from single traumatic experience triggering an action to... tracing your steps on an entire journey because :idk: why
     
  20. TLAU

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    Not sure how much more enlightened she can get. She's currently at the center of the maze where there's supposed to be cake and ice cream and sentience punch
     
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    Got it, thought it was his phase of doing anything trying to feel anything remotely human again. i took that stuff to mean he got the feels when he saw Level 14 Intellect flipping out over her dead daughter.
     
  22. PrimordialBooze

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    Yeah, the flashbacks/ memories make everything confusing as hell. You see Maeve swing a knife at MiB, then see Clementines neck cut and Maeve seems shocked at what happened, but it could be the writers fucking with us. I get what you're saying with Deloris, I have no idea why she'd leave without William. Maybe next week clears everything up.
     
  23. -Asshole-

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    There has to be two time lines right. In the last episode we see Logan give William the picture of his sister. This is the same picture the Dolores' dad finds at the corral that caused him to go crazy, right?
     
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    What if William saved the park by getting rid of the metal bots and suggesting the more organic ones
     
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  25. bic

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    But MIB said he didn't like the more organic hosts.
     
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  26. Odin

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    Here's how:

    1. William/Logan/Dolores story ends, dolores is reset
    2. William goes back to the abernathy ranch and drops the picture for insert reason here
    3. Papa abernathy finds it
    4. Shows dolores
    5. She repeats adventure on her own, runs into mib


    Now i dont think thats what we're dealing with. Robotic Dolores proves multiple timelines imo but this would be how it's possible. All one timeline but presented out of order.
     
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  27. GuyOnA_Buffalo

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    Cause Dolores...
     
  28. je ne suis pas ici

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    MIB could have just walked up to dolores and showed her the picture instead of planting it and hoping abernathy finds it
     
  29. Larry Sura

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    But when her dad showed it to her she said it didn't look like anything to her.
     
  30. je ne suis pas ici

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    very long play on the happenstance abernathy gets fucked up looking at it
     
  31. Larry Sura

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    That could have been an accident. I'm confident the finale will answer it. Him and Logan could find a dead Delores, he can't accept it and goes back to her farm to see if she's still semi-sentient. She doesn't member anything...somehow the picture get's left. All long shots imo.
     
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  32. Professor Moriarty

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    These violent delights have violent ends.

    Abernathy said that to Dolores who in turn said it to Maeve. That's what "set off" each of them perhaps.
     
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    ford knows stubbs was getting close after his conversation with bernard post bernardbot reveal

    ford's having him murked by hosts as a cover
     
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  34. dome foam

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    can someone confirm:
    delores kills arnold
    ford creates bernard in the mold of arnold

    why is there a photo with all three (ford, arnold and bernard)?
     
  35. Larry Sura

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    I haven't seen that photo. The one Ford showed Bernard was of Arnold, Ford, and Ford's host dad.
     
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    the picture is of Ford, Arnold and another man who hasn't been confirmed as far as I know, but might be Ford's father.

    not sure where you're getting both Arnold and Bernard being in the picture. Bernard didn't even exist when it was taken.
     
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  37. Babou

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    She says it ep 9.
    Ford explains it ep 9.

    Photo is ford, his dad, and arnold. ford later created Bernard to look like arnold.
     
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  38. dome foam

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    i dozed off in and out during the episode. i could have sworn bernard was in the photo. couldn't make sense of it.

    sorry for being a dumbass. i need to rewatch.
     
  39. zeberdee

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    Bernard and Arnold look identical so it would have been two of the same person in the photo if that was the case.
     
  40. dome foam

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    i am a dumbass. pls disregard.
     
  41. Larry Sura

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    we're all dumbasses when it comes to this show
     
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  42. UKupNorth

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    After thinking about this a little bit more, seems like they would be spending way too much time talking and showing Dolores journey with William if it was just a cornerstone memory. They only show Maeve and Bernard's cornerstone memories for short clips every once and a while. They are not main drawn out and elaborate scenes like Dolores and William's journey.

    But then again, who tf knows.
     
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  43. TLAU

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    wait what's maeve's cornerstone story? the MiB killing her and her daughter actually happened and was her in a previous host narrative.

    I thought cornerstone memories were made up by Ford/Arnold and just programmed in there, ie- Maeve's would possibly be the story of her coming to the new world that she tells everyone
     
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  44. TLAU

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    Unless MiB is a host and thats HIS cornerstone memory :warn:
     
  45. GuyOnA_Buffalo

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    Ooh I like what you just said.
     
  46. TLAU

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    Taluhlah Riley conversation with him makes that one difficult since she seems sentient. But there could be a fundamental difference in hers and Maeve's sentience that Maeve has that bulk aperception game on 100 so that's why she knew Bernard was a robot when all the other hosts think he's human and treat him as such.

    it's a hail mary :warn: but it's possible
     
  47. Nelson

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    This write-up perfectly sums up why I'm not down/don't want a big multi-timeline:

    http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cu...e-line?intcid=mod-latest&mbid=social_facebook
     
  48. Professor Moriarty

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    More multiple layered stories happening simultaneously mutha fuckas.

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    We've had this confrontation before, haven't we?

    This damn show.
     
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  49. Nelson

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    huh

    spell it out for dumb people
     
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  50. Larry Sura

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    Does anyone dispute more than one timeline at this point?
     
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