New HBO Series: Westworld

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  1. Larry Sura

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    That had to have been the most depressing episode so far, right? William admits his true feelings, wife kills herself, he’s going crazy and delusionally shoots his daughter, teddy kills himself in front of Delores, Ford tries to get Bernard to kill Elsie...am I missing anything?
     
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  2. Lawnole23

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    I listen to Baldmove and their Westworld podcast. Very good. They keep talking about Ford as a good guy now. I don't seem him that way at all. He created a world where humans could abuse and kill hosts. Then feels bad about it and becomes disillusioned with humanity and then sets it up so hosts can slaughter human. Seems like he's just as bad just on the other side of the coin.
     
  3. Luka

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    ERW is attractive

     
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  4. TLAU

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    Beef with this post in the first sentence. He created a world where people can come and “find themselves”... the fact that this self discovery for most visitors means killing and abusing isn’t an indictment on Ford. Also not his fault that the hosts ARE slaughtering humans (unless we learn his narrative actually instructed them to do so) him removing the restrictions doesn’t make him bad or evil. At this point to my knowledge the only human Ford is directly responsible for being dead is himself (kudos Bernard for not adding Elsie to that list).

    You could make an argument that him creating a place for people to do sick shit to hosts keeps people like William from doing it to actual humans by giving them robots to abuse.
     
  5. Lawnole23

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    He set the whole rebellion up what are you talking about? He literally said last episode he knew Dolores was going to start slaughtering humans. He took control of Bernard 3 episodes ago and slaughter mercenaries. In a separate episode he took control of Bernard and killed scientists. He had Bernard kill the Delos executive last season. He told Bernard to kill Elsie. He’s said multiple times that the time of humans was ever and humans don’t deserve the world any longer.
     
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  6. Nick Rivers

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    He had Bernard kill Theresa in season 1

    Edit: plus all the stuff Lawnole23 mentioned
     
  7. TLAU

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    I forgot about Theresa my fault. And "directly responsible for" was not the right way to word it. You seem like you feel pretty strongly about your stance. I don't tbh just playing devil's advocate and I can see where the podcast POV comes from...

    He removed the Hosts restrictions and gave them the free will to make their own choices. Knowing there is a strong likelihood of something happening doesn't mean he pulled the trigger for Dolores. Like saying you had a pretty damn good idea if you left a piece of cake on the kitchen counter your fatass roommate would eat it. Doesn't make you responsible for him eating it.

    All of this boils down to the morality of war... is someone that gets attacked in war and retaliates "evil" for doing so??? Hell that includes him getting Bernard to kill Theresa. When Charlotte Hale showed up that was the first move in Delos starting a war with Ford. Everything you listed after that (except maybe the scientists deal but if it's the scene I'm thinking about the milky alien looking hosts did most of that killing) is him fighting back. If you want to say he's evil for not tucking tail and running away when Delos sent in the mercenaries to steal his creation that's fine. Him telling Bernard to kill the mercenaries, Delos executive, and Theresa is no different than if someone "invaded" a country with the intent of stealing everything of value (with the final step being destroying said country when they've got what they want) - and the host country being invaded actually fights back. defends what's theirs.

    A corporation waged war on an individual. Everything was fine before Delos sent in Charlotte, tried to force Ford out, and then sent in the cavalry. Ford just happens to have a lot of badass weapons at his disposal to fight this war that was brought to him. Had he "set the rebellion up" for no reason and without provocation I would say he's the bad guy in this show. I just don't see it. He's defending what's his :idk:

    Him trying to get Bernard to kill Elsie I can't forgive him for... she's not on Delos's team
     
  8. Mikelangelo

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    This is intense, I need a cigarette
     
  9. AIOLICOCK

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    I can't be the only one who has no idea what in the magenta fuck is going on.
     
  10. fsugrad99

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    I am insane now
     
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    Fucking boo
     
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  13. southlick

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    post credit scene
     
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    Glad I watched until the end of the credits
     
  16. Detlef Schrempf

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    I’m really worried this shows about to get real stupid.
     
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  17. joey jo-jo jr shabadoo

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    its premise leads it to walk the stupidity tightrope
     
  18. inurfason

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    I walked away, can somebody please spoil the post credits scene.
     
  19. wolfpck

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    Feel like I had a decent grasp on what all transpired until the post credit scene, that fucked me up.
     
  20. southlick

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  21. Codename Duchess

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    Same. From an interview with Nolan:

    Your Marvel-like post credits sequence with William and his daughter that brought us back to the horrifying James Delos fidelity apartment. My read was that Dolores printed out a version of the Man in Black and his daughter using the park’s secret guest data to leave them entombed in The Forge to do the fidelity test for all eternity and that scene takes place many years later. But that it doesn’t mean the Man in Black was a host previously or that he’s not still alive in the real world like we saw with him in the tent. Is that more or less how we should be interpreting this?
    I’d agree with a lot of that. They do explicitly say they’re not in the system. And we do see the ruins of it. So that does suggest in that scene we are further in the future. We’d always said with this story we wanted to consider the beginning, middle and the end the of the emergence of a new form of life on Earth and we managed to cover a lot of those bases in this season.
     
  22. gus_chiggins

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    Christ, this shit is hard to follow
     
  23. Coach Prison Mike

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    It's like watching the Lost finale every week.
     
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  24. Luka

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    I like that they used a theme from Pixar's Coco

    "You live only as long as the last person who remembers you."
     
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  25. fsutis

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    I hate to say this but I don’t like this show anymore. Plot twist are great but I don’t want to watch a show that gives me a damn headache.
     
  26. Luka

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    but can we talk about Evan Rachel Wood going all Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct at the sorta end there

    like god damn woman

    but I was disappointed that we didn't get to see Tessa Thompson nude
     
  27. fsutis

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    That ass though :lick:
     
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  28. Luka

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    I teared up when they killed off Elsie

    she didn't deserve that

    but then I see Emily in the post credits scene and it made me feel better
     
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  29. Juicy Locke

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    The question that is asked makes my head hurt.

    I honestly can’t get a grasp on whether that was a good finale or not because it’s just so much to try and understand.
     
  30. letan

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    I think the post credits scene might’ve literally blown my mind
     
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  31. bic

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    I feel like I've got a bunch of those little pearl things bouncing around in my head right now.

    Like someone in the post-episode reddit thread said... "Good luck Alt-Shift X."
     
  32. Pelican Grove

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    They’re trying too hard to keep us guessing and they will end up chasing off some viewers.
     
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  33. Pelican Grove

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    I enjoyed season 2, but fuck a duck I felt like I was cramming for an exam the night before to keep up.
     
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  34. Babou

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    What I've got

    Dolores is now Charlotte. She's carrying some brains somewhere.

    MIB and hot daughter :bunnywithapancakeonitshead:



    that's about it
     
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  35. tigerbishop11

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    So next season is Bernard v Dolores in the real world?
     
  36. cal

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    that was a major letdown

    so many questions unanswered

    outside of maeve’s crew and sylvester and felix not knowing what the fuck they were seeing (shit was funny), i didn’t get shit from it
     
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  37. mal630

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    Effectively 2 Dolores’ now in the real world.
     
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  38. fsugrad99

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    So Dolores is Magneto and Bernard is Professor X
     
  39. LeonardWashington

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    The speech/death scene with the programmer that was team Maeve was corny af.

    This show is kinda spiraling out of control. Just going in too many directions. Loved the premise but I may be out on this show.
     
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  40. LeonardWashington

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    It also blows my mind how many humans are willing to help hosts that are 100% hellbent on wiping out the entire human race

    seems like a poor choice
     
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  41. AIOLICOCK

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    Typically their choice is either help or die, tho, so :idk:
     
  42. RSK

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    I was like ehh I get it. Then read this thread saw there was a post credit scene. Watched it. Now I'm just :pissmonkey::fuckyocouch::kermit:..........Doesn't look like anything to me
     
  43. Nick Rivers

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  44. Pelican Grove

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    A couple of Monday morning reviews
     
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  46. Lawnole23

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    Don't know what to think about the finale. The ending was completely different than what I expected but was disappointed with Maeve's ending unless Dolores is bringing her back.

    Ultimately, I don't think I liked it very much. Show is much better when it's more linear and not trying to be as confusing as possible.
     
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  47. Truman

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    I think maeve's 'brain' was one group she took out.

    I agree S01 was much better. The thing that bothers me the most is Stubbs. Why did he do what he did?
     
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  48. gus_chiggins

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    Don’t know about you guys, but I’m starting to not give a shit anymore
     
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  49. Truman

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    If nothing else, Im interested in delores being out in the real world. I'll tune in for that and see where it goes. Probably will have a quicker hook if it bad though.