New Tarantino Movie Based On Manson Family Murders

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  1. Doc Louis

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    I want to watch this film yet at the same time i can't justify supporting it after Lena Dunham sexually assaulted Brad Pitt.
     
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    I want to go see it but I would go with the gf and that would mean seeing it dubbed in French...and that is not a movie that will work well dubbed imo, too many good actors and probably good dialogue/monologue.
     
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  3. Nelson

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    In this thread? Care to share or give cliffs?

    Agree with a lot of this. I think my favorite meta moment was realizing he cast Tim Olyphant, an actor most prominently known for his role in a Western, as an actor most prominently known for his role in a Western

    Idk I just found it to be a bit tighter narratively and less self-indulgent than his usual piece. A little more measured and refined. It felt Tarantino-lite. Like low-T Tarantino. Diet Tarantino. This-is-your-Tarantino-on-Weed. And I liked that.
     
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    not sure anyone in here shared them but was a review going around about how regressive the movie was and was a love story not to LA, or movies, but to traditional male social roles. that it was anti-progressives due to the hippy hate, etc. imagine you can fill in the boxes for the rest but it was published in a more normal outlet, was framed as a positive championing Tarantino as hitting back against the PC police yadda yadda.

    other people had more issues with Sharon Tate stuff but the arguments sucked, it was clear why she was being used the way she was
     
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    I fucking loved full out Tarantino when he was doing grindhouse and planet terror, also loved sin city...but I was also smoking a lot of weed back then.

    Him getting under control is probably a good thing, can’t wait to see this movie
     
  6. afb

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    this is a poor counter

    breakfast club takes place in what, 4 hours? The entire Before trilogy? Magnolia?
     
  7. Wu

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    He’ll never be as restrained as in Jackie Brown which not coincidentally is adapted from an Elmore Leonard novel
     
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  8. afb

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    the main character (arguably the main character) battles between still playing football or quitting and enjoying life and you go through his journey of the night of this juncture and you come out the other side of that, so yes it does have character growth

    Again, this kind of does too based on the acting scene with the little girl, but you dont get the full realization of that. Instead he goes on and does movies then after all of that he is unsure if he can even continue this career.
     
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  9. IHHH

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    And it was a good one, pulp fiction was also pretty moderate for a Tarantino movie.
     
  10. IHHH

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    That and the group of younger guys finally destroying Ben Affleck and ditching the stupid dance. There was a lot of character evolving in one night. The guy finally fighting the bully and getting his ass kicked....

    Dazed and confused was a bad example
     
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  11. Det. Frank Bullitt

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    Rewatched. I will share what I picked up from my second viewing tomorrow.
     
  12. spagett

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    You tease
     
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  13. spagett

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    This movie is not him "under control".

    It's him on lithium until the last 10 minutes.
     
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  14. Blu Tang Clan

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    Yeah, I started laughing out loud when that name was thrown out. The Red Apple commercial shoot in the credits was also outstanding, although much more obvious. I liked it a lot. Need to rewatch to see where I’d rank it, but it was the funniest QT movie IMO. Also really enjoyed the Martin Kove cameo because why not?
     
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  15. Charlie Conway

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    Movie had a few good moments but was ultimately disappointing :feelsbadman:
     
  16. Nelson

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    How were you disappointed, friend
     
  17. Charlie Conway

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    With the exception of the final scene, I found the rest of it to be rather forgettable :justsayin:

    And I'm a huge Tarantino fan. Just didn't think this one had much bite compared to his other films.
     
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  18. Det. Frank Bullitt

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    QT Version & The Authentic Nebraska Jim (at least it's title for the German distribution )


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  19. Det. Frank Bullitt

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  20. Fabulousthundercock

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    There were some good moments for all of the actors, but the story lacked the constant tension I usually get and love from a Tarantino movie. And the dialogue didn't necessarily stand out to me compared to some of his other stuff.

    I also don't hold a particularly special place in my heart for 60's LA.

    It was still a nice little flick and fuck you to the Manson family shithead hippies fuck em.

    Enjoyed it overall.
     
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    Really really bad
     
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  22. Det. Frank Bullitt

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    WARNING: Full Spoilers Ahead

    After some thought about the storyline, and a second viewing - I took the movie much more personally (for QT that is) than the first viewing.

    My take on it is that Once Upon A Time...in Hollywood is a love letter to those parts of Hollywood who were lost on that day - the people, specifically Sharon Tate. In this yarn, he exacts retribution (in the signature QT aesthetic obv) to the 'dirty' hippies who senselessly killed an 8.5 months pregnant Sharon Tate et al.

    Could it be that he had a thing for her or not, I doubt it - he was roughly 6. After reading about the Manson Family, I have no doubt that the Tate murders were formative for him.

    A couple other thoughts
    • I have yet to read many reviews or watch directors roundtables/etc and I haven't heard QT speak about the film or motives etc. I look forward to that.
    • The Manson family was filthy. They had an outbreak of gonorrhea amongst them that one of the Beach Boys paid to treat - which caused them to relocate at Spahn's Ranch
    • I didn't know this until I read about it on Wikipedia, but they were anticipating a race war.
    • Is there a larger message about innocence lost in OUATIH? I'm not ready to defend that yet. But the characterization of hippies was never positive. How are we introduced to them? Dumpster diving for food. Brad Pitt made similar remarks about the loss of innocence of the hippies as viewed through his parents. For reference QT & BP were born within 6 months of each other.
    • I heard this quote and I liked it "no one sticks their head up their own ass like QT". I don't think it was meant as a negative, but QT's self references give me the warm fuzzies, almost as much as his own references to pop culture that has influenced him (e.g. Spaghetti Westerns, which I have already professed my fandom of in here.
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  23. Det. Frank Bullitt

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    and did anyone notice how Bounty Law seemed to use a very similar font to Angry Birds
     
  24. Zebbie

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    That was bugging me too
     
  25. Fuzzy Zoeller

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    With apologies to Det. Frank Bullitt, I thought this movie sucked.

    If you didn't already have a working knowledge of the Manson murders, this movie would make 0.0 percent sense to you.
     
  26. Fuzzy Zoeller

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    But I will say the scene in Leo's trailer when he looks in the mirror and threatens to blow his own head off if he misses any more lines was hilarious.
     
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  27. duc15

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    Loved the movie. Pitt and Leo were both incredible
     
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  28. Det. Frank Bullitt

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    Also, one thing that I thought was wrong during the movie but had to look up to confirm.

    It shows them flying a 747 at least twice. The 747 didn't enter service until the following year, 1970.
     
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  29. Nelson

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    People don’t have that?
     
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  30. Det. Frank Bullitt

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    I knew practically nothing myself before seeing the movie other than hearing during production that QT was working on a movie related to "the Manson murders" and "the Sharon Tate killing".

    That is essentially all I knew going into my first screening. Weirdly, I didn't know much about them, but secondly I try to avoid reading about historical events if I know I'm about to see a movie on them.

    I've felt that way for a while, but recently have proactively avoided educating myself or reading up on historical events.

    A couple years ago Foxcatcher came out - I accidentally saw a headline that spoiled it for me. Yes I had a surface level understanding of who Dupont was but would prefer to not carry a competing version of events in my head for the benefit of the film version. Obviously afterword comes intense googling and reading up on associated events, such as some of the Manson facts I posted above.

    Just a preference thing. My brother is downright weird, he tries to avoid seeing the trailer because he is hyper sensitive to spoilers. :idk:. To each his own. Such an approach obviously hurts here though.
     
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  31. Professor Moriarty

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    I’ve been telling my coworkers that if you’re ever watching a historical QT film, his movies take place in their own universe and he tries to correct wrongs that he finds grotesque. Just like resurrecting the careers of former movie stars, or being in love with b-movies/grindhouse films....he operates on that fringe “what-if.” So knowing the history adds to his films because he’s going to alter it to how he wants it in his universe.
     
  32. Celemo

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    I can’t wait for his take on Star Trek and Joe_Pesci ’s reaction to it. Not posting this to be funny, I’ve been wanting a QT sci-fi flick for some time
     
  33. War Grundle

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    Didn’t end up seeing it opening night due to my wife being sick. Saw it tonight and loved it. Pitt was awesome.
     
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    Django was a little tough to follow because I was unaware of slavery.
     
  35. spagett

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    It was forgettable.

    The storyline was by far his worst.
     
  36. Josey Wales

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    Pitt having the onset flashback while fixing the roof was hilarious. You’re not entirely sure it’s a flashback until it cuts back to him and he makes an “oh, right” kind of face. Priceless moment.
     
  37. Handcuffed

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    saw it last night going in totally blind. thought it was just okay with pacing issues. for example, i don't really understand what pacino's character does at all in the story. or why steve mcqueen is in the film/what the playboy party scene does. i thought the entire first hour (or so) was tough to get through. i was also pretty tense expecting a brutal murder scene or something horrific to happen at the end (and i wasn't that educated on the tate murder).

    it really picked up starting around the pitt on set/getting sent home and the flashback with bruce lee, imo.

    pitt was incredible. leo was really good, too. the story tied itself together fairly well at the end. and i like the movie more having thought about it some more overnight and today. i'll now read this thread and some of the reviews.
     
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  38. War Grundle

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    Pacino’s character gives him the honest truth of where he is at and then gets him in the spaghetti western movies.
     
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  39. Professor Moriarty

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    The point of Marvin Schwarz was to plant the seed in Rick Dalton’s head that his time had passed and he was washed up. Kind of a critical moment.
     
  40. MG2

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    Pacino's character tells Leo that Hollywood is basically killing him off by the roles he's taking, which helps set up his breakdown and informs you of where his character is at heading into the rest of the movie.

    McQueen sets up the back story for Sharon and her relationship with both Roman Polanski and Jay Seabring.
     
  41. Handcuffed

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    i understand what Pacino did in the story. it just felt like an unnecessary character considering you already had Pitt as a character who could've provided that kind of advice, especially considering Pitt already didn't have a career and could've talked about where Leo's career was going. maybe Leo could've just come from an agent meeting where he was upset and this could've led to the DUI scene, etc. to make the first act a little more interesting to me. just my opinion. if anything, i walked out of the film thinking that Pacino was an agent who truly cared deeply about his client (even watched FBI) and that was part of the fantasy of the Once Upon a Time story...

    and again, i understand what was said at the playboy party but i felt like that was unnecessary for the plot. there were already flashbacks and voiceovers, you know? it just felt like tarantino wanting to get that playboy mansion party scene in his film.
     
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  42. mal630

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    Pacino is also a flex.
     
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  43. Wu

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    The running joke is that we’ll finally be able to know what the n-word is in klingon
     
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  44. Doc Louis

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    Yeah he should've went with something else like American Graffiti (yes it's a very similar movie to dazed and confused)
     
  45. Nelson

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    I’m still shocked at the lack of nudity in that scene
     
  46. Celemo

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    I can’t recall nudity in any QT movie
     
  47. Nelson

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    How dare you forget Jamie Foxx’s dong
     
  48. Fecta23

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    I liked the movie, especially Pitt. Like you said he was incredible. But the bolded part...yeah, what was the fucking point ?
     
  49. chuckmasterflex

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    I enjoyed watching it. It would be a shame if QT quit making movies. But if he wants to do a TV show for HBO, Netflix, or Amazon instead I’d happily watch that.

    Really looking forward to his Star Trek.
     
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  50. afb

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    the point of McQueen is McQueen was someone who went from TV to Film and made the transition well, where as Leo's character did not which is pretty much his entire character's story. This is also why they show the fantasy of Leo getting McQueen's role in The Great Escape