NHL Thread: Deadline Season, Where a 2nd Round Pick for an Average Player is a Big Trade

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  1. MJH

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    Lightning are doing an excellent job of setting me up for disappointment again.
     
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    Panarin absolutely skated backwards on that shootout goal
     
  3. tigerbishop11

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    It would be one thing if they hadn’t looked at it but to go to review and still call it good is wild
     
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    Loved when I bought like 3 beers at Amalie and it was close to $50, was not a fan of that.
     
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    3 point night from Eichel. He really does fucking everything. A goal and two gnarly primary assists






     
  6. miles

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  8. MJH

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    Yeah I rarely buy anything at the arena outside of a bottled water or two. I’ll get drinks at a bar near the arena but they closed the bar right across down last year so it’s become a pain in the ass to get one on my route from where I park. The prices for booze at Amalie are just ridiculous so unless I’m with a group of friends that are having drinks I skip drinking during the game.
     
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  9. Truman

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    Blues have been butt the last 2-3 weeks
     
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  10. CF3234

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    Know this feel bro.
     
  11. Sean Connery

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    Lmao that’s awesome
     
  12. DeToxRox

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  13. DeToxRox

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    It infuriates me that the TDL is always so far out in the NHL.

    that’s all.
     
  14. CF3234

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    Love what the NBA did by moving it before the ASG.
     
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    Chara got fined. Lol.
     
  16. DeToxRox

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    Yep. The NBA TDL is nuts so I get not wanting to be right up against it, but you basically end up giving guys maybe 20 games to get adjusted to new surroundings before the playoffs? It’s so disadvantageous.
     
  17. CF3234

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    The NHL deadline will never be like the NBA deadline because NHL GMs don't have the balls to make big moves. There's always some excuse about how it's too complicated because of the salary cap. Meanwhile the NHL has the least complicated cap in sports. It's easy as hell to make deals. Teams just don't have the guts to start moving around big salaries.
     
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  18. ohhaithur

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    I think it's because in hockey you can sneak into the eighth seed and sweep the best regular season team of all-time and in basketball you were eliminated from 2020 championship contention in 2018
     
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  20. CF3234

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    wouldn't the fact that you are still alive mean that you are more aggressive at the deadline and not less?

    NBA just saw the Houston Rockets who have a punchers chance at best of winning the title pull off a 4 team 12 player trade. You won't ever see a NHL GM be that creative.
     
  21. ohhaithur

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    Hopeless teams like the Hawks will be cowardly and not sell because there is a chance Lehner gets hot, they get an 8 seed, and are contenders

    So there's nobody to buy imo
     
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  22. CF3234

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    ehh. The wild are selling, the Sharks are selling, the Panthers are selling Hoffman, the Coyotes are listening on Hall despite what they say publicly, etc. there are more than enough teams that should be looking to mix up their roster to see if they can get better results and they won't do it.
     
  23. ohhaithur

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    I don't disagree that more should happen for sure

    But hockey also gets more loyally from its players due to the philosophy so it's not all bad
     
  24. Truman

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    Soft cap vs hard cap makes a difference too. Much easier to pull of trades in the NBA. Even so, NHL GMs are too risk adverse
     
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    And more NHL players have no moment clauses
     
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  26. CF3234

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    Disagree completely. NBA may have a soft cap but almost every team is over it which means that trades have to be matched almost dollar for dollar. Most teams in the NHL have 5 million or more cap space going into the deadline.

    The Athletic explains it perfectly

    The excuse: “The salary cap makes trading too hard.”

    We’ll start with what’s become, by far, the best-known of NHL GM excuses. The salary cap ruined everything, you guys. Your favorite team’s GM would love to swing for the fences on a big, bold move. But he can’t, because there’s a cap, and it just can’t work.

    Should we buy it?: Yes and no. It’s certainly true that the salary cap has an impact, and some trades would otherwise make sense but it would be difficult to fit under the tight cap situation that several teams are operating under. Sometimes, you just don’t have room to add the player you want.

    Of course, working under a budget is nothing new. GMs have always had to do that, dating back to the league’s earliest days. But back then, you could occasionally squeeze some extra room with a phone call to the owner. And more importantly, contracts weren’t fully guaranteed to the same extent, and they were almost never for the kind of long-term commitment the cap world sees today.

    So yes, there’s some validity to this one, and maybe even a lot. But it’s also worth remembering that, compared to other pro leagues, the NHL’s system is basically baby’s first salary cap. It’s about as simple as a hard cap can get. There are no rules about balancing cap hits on trades as the NBA has. A trade doesn’t accelerate a player’s future cap hit to the current year, the way they can in the NFL. Instead, NHL GMs just have to stay under a number. There are even loopholes like LTIR, that can make manipulating the cap easier.

    Mix in the ability to retain salary and the fact that the prorated system means late-season trades have far less impact on that year’s cap number, and there’s a lot more room to work with than most fans have been led to believe. Over half the league has more than $5 million in prorated cap space to work with right now, including several contenders.

    So does the cap make trading hard? Sure. But too hard? We should think twice before we accept that.
     
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  28. ohhaithur

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    Think he still has his job if the refs do their job last night in the shootout?
     
  29. CF3234

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    I doubt it. Looks like Guerin wants to start completely over.
     
  30. DeToxRox

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    He was in the final year of his deal. Guerin probably figured it’s a good time to get a head start on the hiring process.
     
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    Doug Weight would be a trash hire with some of the other coaches available
     
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  35. Truman

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    That’s gotta be it for his career right? Can’t imagine you can/should play a contact sport w a pacemaker
     
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    Yeah he’s done. Glad he got his cup even if he couldn’t go out on his terms.
     
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  38. CF3234

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    he should have announced his retirement at the parade. I know they have a good shot to repeat, but why take that chance when you can go out on top.
     
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  43. bro

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    They should have played the University of Denver imhv
     
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  44. IHHH

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    i love watching college hockey, it’s just not available up here. The only thing I get to watch is the bean cup and it’s always so intense and fun to watch.

    on a side note, spencer knight is such a good prospect right now. Amazing what he is doing. I also really like zegras, always liked him. He went ninth overall and it might end up as a steal. Unreal hockey sense and above average pretty much everywhere else. Reminds me of brad Richards.
     
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  45. CF3234

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    Knight might sign after this season. He’s been that good. I think the panthers should wait another year though.
     
  46. IHHH

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    Is it an historic season for a freshman goalie? His numbers are unreal.

    and yeah, goalies are a different animal. You need to let them mature a bit. The mental aspect is more important than just the skills.
     
  47. CF3234

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    That and it puts more distance contract wise between him and Bobrovsky.
     
  48. miles

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    This is cart before horse territory because no idea if Knight would be ready for the NHL next year, but if he is I think you bring him up as soon as possible.

    The more I read/think about it the more I think having two guys that basically split starts is the way to go. Was listening to a former goalie (forget who it was) on a podcast who made what I thought was a really good point. It’s not just the extra rest that helps goalies. When you’re starting the majority of games, you can’t get on the ice near as much during practice to work on things, and your technique starts slipping between games. When you start less games, you get more practice in and can fix problems before they show up.

    You’re paying Bob to be a 3/4 starts goalie, but if you can cut him back and hope he improves with less starts I think you do it.
     
  49. IHHH

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    I can see it both ways, your point is valid but I would counter with the fact that knight needs to always be in a starting role and play a lot. That aspect is underrated but playing goalie is tough mentally, you need to practice that mental toughness of being locked in every single game. The perfect place to practice this is the ahl. Look at how many goalies come in later in their career and start dominating, they usually played a lot in whatever leagues they were in.

    You don’t bring in knight to be a backup. He can maybe spend a year being a backup and play 30 games but I would not pin my first round pick and future franchise goalie on the bench for 60 games. That’s how you ruin careers. Let him dominate in the ahl and if something happens to bob you bring him up to start.
     
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    It's fun but they call way too many major penalties. I also need to develop a hatred for some teams to get into it more on games not involving Ohio State, don't care enough to hate Minnesota-Duluth or Denver or any Dakota school