NHL Thread: It's Reigning Rats

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  1. Gunners

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    Whatever, Florida worthy champs

    Don’t have to be happy about it
     
  2. bro

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    Congrats to more recent Sabres becoming Stanley cup champs.
     
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  3. CF3234

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    Your panthers hatred boner is so strange
     
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    You need people to say we’re so happy for Florida, lol
     
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    Congrats.
     
  6. CF3234

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    Not at all. It can still be strange for a capitals fan to have a dislike for the panthers. Theres literally no bad blood between the two teams
     
  7. Sub-Zero

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    Ok back to hockey. I know the oilers controlled possession but I don’t get the idea they dominated or controlled the game at least from the important areas. I said itt about 5 minutes in that the panthers were able to just waltz into the crease practically and they scored all of their goals pretty much on the doorstep and without being bothered.

    just looking at the map (xG be damned)
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    Even without the tarasenko goal gaff by skinner the other 3 goals were all uncontested in front of the net. On the other side, even if they have control it is near impossible to get those types of chances. The Oilers breakaway was off a missed shot too so had to get a fortunate bounce for it.

    But you can see the differences in the map when it comes to the low slot. it’s not an accident the panthers capitalize on their chances and it isn’t just goaltending. Put Bob on the oilers and the panthers score the same 3-4 too.

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    I know it’s home goal vs away goal but even the home goals audio is just so bad on espn. Listen to the sticks and crowd and horn in that Caps clip too.

    Last night I was upstairs tucking youngest into bed and I heard someone scored on the tv last night from downstairs and I swore the panthers probably scored since I didn’t hear the crowd. It was the 1-1 tying goal
     
  10. CF3234

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    McDonagh is elite at what he does, but is mediocre calling hockey. He's also clearly sick because his Reinhart goal call in game 4 was fantastic. He clearly has the energy to get up for the big plays. Last night there was clearly NOTHING in the tank last night. He should have passed the mantle to someone else.
     
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  11. Sub-Zero

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    Listen to the oilers goals. You can hear him try to elevate his voice and it sounds like he can’t breathe.

    all 4 panthers goals pretty much sound the same
     
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    Exactly. This wasn't a guy being a fan and disappointed with how the game was going. And even if you aren't a hockey guy, you are calling a championship game in a professional sport. If you get the call right it has the chance to be played again and again for the next 50 years.
     
  13. Sub-Zero

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    I don’t think anyone is saying it’s becusse of Florida scoring. At least they shouldn’t. It has more to do with how the best hockey announcers clearly LOVE hockey and it comes through in their voice. We talk in here about McDonough not knowing the rules sometimes. That’s what we hear more on those calls vs team bias.

    the reinhart goal in game 4 vs NYR was in overtime. I think it that’s just easier to meet than a 1st period goal even though to hockey fans, that goal should feel just as important in a Final game.
     
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    oh for sure. McDonough has his flaws as a Hockey announcer. But right now everything is flat because he doesn't have it in him.
     
  15. IrishLAX2

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    If you think about how ESPN deploys their play by play guys, all of the top ones have an individual sport that they specialize in and they become the top guy for that particular sport.

    I don’t think McDonough has ever been the top guy for any particular sport. He’s generally very good at many, but isn’t the best at any. So I’m sure ESPN tried to find him a primary role somewhere, and it happened to be the sport he’s least good at because they didn’t have anyone else that’s fantastic at that sport. Again, this is a sign of ESPN not actually taking hockey all that seriously.
     
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    Oh ESPN treats hockey like a chore.

    ABC was off the air last night 10 minutes after the game ended.

    ESPN was showing UFC and ESPN2 was showing ultimate fighter re-runs. It was fucking terrible. Zero recap show at all.
     
  17. IrishLAX2

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    Being the only network that runs a 2 man crew instead of 3 and forcing your bench guy to also run color is such a gross move. The NHL shouldn’t stand for that.
     
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    And this

     
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    I completely missed this. That's so embarassing.
     
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    Meanwhile TNT’s coverage for both basketball and hockey are light years ahead of ESPN and they’re about to lose the rights to basketball
     
  21. Sub-Zero

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    I’m wondering how basketball’s loss will impact hockey. I’m sure there might be some shared resources and people who contribute to both somehow. Hopefully we don’t see anything taken away.

    they did just get Roland Garros so they aren’t divesting from sports generally
     
  22. DeToxRox

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    McDavid has to win a Cup at some point, right? Like it doesn’t seem possible that he will finish his career without a ring but this series has proven just how flawed the Oilers roster is and there isn’t a lot of room to make big changes.

    The gravity of next season for the Oilers franchise is unreal. I am not sure what Edmonton does if they head into the 25/26 season without McDavid extended. And that seems like a real possibility if they don’t at least match this season.
     
  23. IrishLAX2

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    At his next destination he will
     
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    That’s what I assume happens. Of course the caveat there is how he gets to the next destination. A trade is going to cost so many assets and then his new deal will really kill a teams cap structure. But since this is hockey, he will probably go somewhere and sign for 8x9 to ensure he wins a title.
     
  25. ohhaithur

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    He doesn't have to. The best team in a full regular season hasn't won one in 15 years, which is as long of a career you can ask for. You absolutely can be the best player for 15 years and not win one if you can be the best team for 15 years and not win one
     
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    I guess to me it just defies logic he possibly won’t win a cup. I mean he would be the greatest pro athlete to never win a title, right? Someone has to hd that honor but it’s wild to think it’d be McDavid.
     
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    Mike Trout hasn't won a single playoff game
     
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    Yeah but Trout has basically played 50% of his teams games since 2021. He’s that caliber of athlete but it’s not the same situation.
     
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    Trout played 90% of the Angels games through his first nine years too. Both had three MVPs, All-Stars all but one year

    It's the same path through nine years
     
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  31. ohhaithur

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    Dan Marino, Barry Bonds
     
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    For context: the highest chance I've ever had pre-playoffs for a team to win a cup was 2018-19 Tampa Bay. At 19%.

    If someone played on 2018-19 Tampa Bay for 15 straight years, there would still be over a 4% chance they'd never win a cup
     
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    good call on bonds
     
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    Yeah the math makes sense. It’s just wild to me that McDavid could be that dude in the NHL (with apologies to Marcel Dionne). It really speaks to how horribly mismanaged Edmonton has been.
     
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    And I agree Bonds is currently the greatest player ever to never win a title. It’ll probably stay that way but I think McDavid not winning a cup but continuing his current trajectory would have an argument.
     
  37. ohhaithur

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    A lot of it is just that it's harder to win in some sports. It's impossible for an NBA player in the goat conversation to never win a title because you can carry a team
     
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    Who would it currently be for hockey until McDavid story closes? Vezina winning goalies maybe?
     
  39. ohhaithur

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    Dionne probably. Everybody else and a top 20 of career points has a Stanley Cup besides him I think. And he's number six
     
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    As a Kraken fan, I also do not like the Florida Panthers. Thanks.
     
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    This is so true. And at this point there is no loyalty (not that their should be) in the NBA, so guys are going to keep moving around until they finally get that title.
     
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    You gotta accept that people don’t find south Florida fans likable. I don’t know if it’s carryover from the Heat or Hurricanes but if the Dolphins were 11.5 favorites heading into a Super Bowl you wouldn’t have a thread about those gosh darn likable dolphins
     
  43. The Banks

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    Put skinner on the Panthers and they score 4-5.
     
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    And when Gretzky was winning his titles, he had Messier, Fuhr, Kurri, Coffey, etc. In the cap era that could never happen. Gretzky could easily not have won a cup in this era.
     
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    I just think this undersells how difficult Florida makes it to score from inside. Even high danger area chances are highly contested. It’s the difference between contested and open looks in basketball. Sure it’s the same shot from the same spot, but Florida makes it hard to get the shot off you want.

    you can have the sports bar debate of switching goalies and go save by save but I just don’t buy the series is in the oilers favor by only switching goalies. That’s my overall stance.
     
  46. Sub-Zero

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    Panthers sold out national car rental center Amerant bank arena for game 4.
     
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    You also have to give the panthers another 7.3 million of cap space to allocate.
    I mean sure. It’s pretty obvious. I guess it’s just me but I don’t hate an entire city of sports teams just because of the city. Ex. Hate the Celtics, bruins, and patriots for rivalry reasons. Couldn’t care less about the Red Sox
     
  48. Sub-Zero

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    Yeah fuck all of them. Even Boston College while we’re at it and those stuck up nerds over at MIT
     
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    For me it has more to do with location and is hockey specific. I don’t give a shit about the other Florida teams winning titles :idk:
     
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  50. miles

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    I've been thinking for a while, that even if they manage to resign McDavid and Drai, if they don't win one by next year, it very likely will never happen. Drai, McDavid, and Bouchard will go from 25 million to 35 million in 2025 and 40 million the year after. With those deals + Nurse, any chance of having reasonable depth at that point is dead.

    More than half their cap will be tied up in 4 players, with only 2 of them really being worth it.
     
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