I agree. Again I am just going off of the investigation which is all I can really know. But just for fun...I'm now imagining major head coaches having to sit and do corporate HR PDP reviews. "So do you think you earned a 5 for improvement?"
It’s not just hockey, young men with a ton of power way too early will think that they can do whatever they want. Do you follow football?
Meanwhile on overdrive they just discussed how important it was for the leafs to win and look good doing it against Chicago tomorrow since that organisation is in shambles…
is there a lot of coach sexual abuse in football? I haven’t been in a football locker room so I don’t know if there’s a bunch of sexual related hazing that goes on
Did that psu story go right over your head? My knowledge of what happens in a football locker room is very limited but I would bet that there is a lot of that too. It’s fucked up but these issues always come up in large organisations. Look at the military for example. My personal experience is probably just like zeberdee, a lot of mild stuff and not necessarily sexual. I am pretty sure these things happen at every level of every sport. There was also this McGill scandal where they would stick a broom up other players ass. https://torontosun.com/2013/11/09/target-in-2005-mcgill-hazing-horror-speaks-out and I know a girl that worked for the Canadian women hockey team, they do some weird stuff too.
I forgot about the Pens thing. Yzerman did his time with Canada; time to embrace that dual citizenship
I hadn't really followed this story, but had assumed the coach was some old Sandusky like creep and not a guy in his 20's the same age as the players. Not that it neccessarilly changes anything, just weird.
I dislike the Lightning as much as the Pens but that early boarding/charge vs McDonagh which resulted in a Pens PP was pretty egregious
Real bad look for the Panthers imo. At MINIMUM he should be taking a leave of absence until after he meets with Bettman.
don't take too much from that game, this mtl team looks as bas as i have seen in a while. They also notoriously play like total shit in the west, except for last year.
Reading the report and it’s a bit unclear as to what Quenneville actually knew (or who from that meeting is telling the truth and who isn’t), so who knows what the outcome will be.
He's got some level of gray area to operate in because the report doesn't specifically state that he 100% knew the specifics of the allegations. The report says that he was brought into the meeting 10-15 minutes after it had started and was told about an allegation against the coach. It never actually says that Q specifically was told the details. That's the gray area he is going to live in (and seemingly the Panthers are going to live in) to try and keep him around. Now I personally find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that Q didn't know more than what he is claiming.
my thoughts from the Hawks thread I have no idea what the league is going to do with him. In the corporate structure he’s middle management and the ultimate decision didn’t fall to him but certainly he’s not blameless. He certainly shouldn’t be coaching tonight.
Disagree, he wasn’t big Q Joel quennevile at that point. He was just a coach on his third team in 5 years that couldn’t win in the playoffs.
they need to hire a GM quick so they can get rid of this bozo. Like I know you never would have been hired if not for bowman and will never be a head coach again but that’s your statement?
Being generous to him - I think he was trying to say he was surprised by all this because Bowman never showed that side to him. But you 100% absolutely have to word it better than he did, and absolutely not show any sympathy towards his actions.
wasn't there a quote from Q about the team working really hard to get where they were and that he didn't want to have any distractions? or was that Bowman?
that's Q. The issue here is whether this statement by Q was made with the knowledge that Aldrich was sexually assaulting a player or that there was an "issue" with Aldrich that he simply didn't want to deal with because he was in the middle of a cup run. If it's the former, he's a massive piece of shit who should have been fired the second the report came out. If it's the latter, he's willfully negligent and at minimum should be severely punished for not investigating further. The report doesn't really tell us which one it is and that's why we are here in this gray area that the Panthers are trying to use to keep him.
I think that the report doesn’t do those involved any favours, in the sense that the public learns about the gruesome details of the incident first and then reads how it was reported and managed. It’s then natural to read on assuming that everyone knew all of the details when in reality, some “less important” management like Q, Bergevin, Cheveldayoff, etc. may not have known the full extent of the allegations at all or not until years later. Of course they may also be lying through their teeth and knew every last detail from day one, but it’s definitely a grey-area.
from all the quotes I read I got the sense Q kinda put his fingers in his ears and said don't tell me anything, we have a cup to win.
here is bowman’s account. Game 4 had just finished and Quenneville was called into a meeting in progress Gary stated that there was an incident between John Doe and Aldrich in which Aldrich had tried to “climb into bed” with John Doe one night at Aldrich’s apartment.406 Bowman recalled that Gary said he had spoken to John Doe earlier that day and that John Doe did not want to talk about it.407 Bowman told us that, as described to him, the situation did not strike him as immediately alarming at the time as the allegation did not involve a sexual assault as having occurred.408 Bowman recalled that, after learning of the incident, Quenneville shook his head and said that it was hard for the team to get to where they were, and they could not deal with this issue now.409 Bowman further recalled that McDonough referenced his previous employment with the Chicago Cubs.410 Bowman recalled McDonough saying that the Blackhawks might never make it this far in the playoffs again, and that they needed to think about when to handle the issue.411 (The Blackhawks had not played in the Stanley Cup Finals in 18 years.) Bowman did not recall anyone explicitly referencing the notion that the issue should be tabled until after the playoffs.412 Rather, Bowman recalled discussion about the need to find out more about what happened.413 Bowman further recalled that he asked McDonough what McDonough wanted to do and McDonough responded that Bowman should leave it to McDonough.414 Bowman stated that when the meeting ended, Bowman believed the issue was in McDonough’s hands and everyone else should focus on the upcoming Stanley Cup Finals.415 47