NHL Thread: Montreal and Vancouver in rooins

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  1. CF3234

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    xG can absolutely tell a story in a single game sample when a score seems like a complete outlier. Last night is a good example. Seattle caved Chicago last night in shot attemps and possession, but Chicago capitalized on their few chances and they get what looks to be a comfy 4-2 win that has the chicago fanbase starting to feel themselves again.
     
  2. Illinihockey

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    you think Kane scores 5% of the time when he’s one on one with the goalie from the top of the circles in?
     
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    Very much agree with the last sentence. There’s too much variance in a single game to draw too many conclusions.
     
  4. CF3234

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    They were crude 5ish years ago. They are exponentially better today. Nevermind that all we are seeing is the publicly available data. Teams have access to way more detailed stuff. It's pretty impressive the stuff the guys on the inside can put together.
     
  5. ohhaithur

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    It was far from comfy, the Kraken dominated the third period

    All I'm saying is the original tweet and comment made it seem like Grubauer owed his defense for letting them down when watching the game told you it was clearly the opposite
     
  6. The Banks

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    Again my post was based off of a still frame, seeing it played out I’d say about a 10% chance he scores on a shot from there with no traffic and the goalie having zero concern for a pass there.
     
  7. Illinihockey

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    the hawks were up 2-0 then 3-0 and were sitting on a lead the entire game. Score effects is real
     
  8. CF3234

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    I think he meant all season. Grubauer has been awful all season.
     
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    Where there’s no chance of a pass and the D is close enough that he’s not going to have a chance to deke? Yeah, 10% chance he’s gonna shoot and score there.
     
  10. ohhaithur

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    I know he has been but that's the danger of bad stats like this being used to confirm something someone already believes

    "Look, Gru gave up a shot that only had an 11% of going in!" doesn't mesh with reality
     
  11. CF3234

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    11% on a shot is pretty high for xG
     
  12. miles

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    Anyone that would have that little a grasp on advanced stats wouldn't use them as supporting evidence :twocents:
     
  13. ohhaithur

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    Not when the goalie's chance of saving it was 0%

    I know there's a state that's like goals saved above expectations...is that based on xG or does that include positioning?
     
  14. miles

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    Positioning is essentially unquantifiable, so no.
     
  15. ohhaithur

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    I was just going off your comment using yesterday's xG that Gru owes his defense money. While true, yesterday it was the opposite
     
  16. The Banks

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    Is it based on the goalie’s chance of saving or the puck’s chance of going in? (I honestly don’t know)
     
  17. CF3234

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    puck's chance of going in.

    Player tracking data makes these stats a lot more accurate, but that isn't publicly available yet.
     
  18. zeberdee

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    the Ryan Ellis trade is looking like that rare trade that works out for absolutely nobody. Ellis hurt. Myers and Glass getting healthy scratched. Patrick hurt.
     
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  20. DeToxRox

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    False positive Tuesday I guess
     
  21. CF3234

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    this benning PC is absolute gold
     
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    Ugliness in the USHL

     
  23. miles

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    The fact that Benning is talking like this and still has a job is almost proof to me that he's a puppet GM for ownership.
     
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  24. The Banks

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    Vancouver’s roster isn’t that bad. They aren’t bottom 5.
     
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  26. CF3234

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    It’s not bottom 5, but it’s extremely poorly constructed for a team that is pressed against the cap with no clear path to improve it
     
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    teel is living the canespiracy tonight. Awful call
     
  28. ANTWONE

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    Lighting/Flyers game is fun
     
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    huge goal by Giroux. the Lightning completely dominated stretches of this game but it would have really sucked to get nothing from it.
     
  30. Cornfed Buffalo

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    Oooofta
     
  31. zeberdee

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    my god this OT
     
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    Incredible
     
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  35. CF3234

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    It’s the same goal as last time. Do something new McDavid.
     
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    The way he makes it look so effortless is nuts
     
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    Best player I’ve ever seen live.
     
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  39. ohhaithur

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    Here's what reddit has to say:

    "He had spent all of his callup money on tickets for his family, Nick Bjugstad even helped purchase tickets after he ran out of money."

    Stars won 2 games in a row with Tufte in the line up going into tonight.

    Tufts gets told in the morning that he'll be in the lineup to play in his hometown. Does two rounds of media interviews about getting to play at home. He spends all his money on getting his family there. Took the pregame skate and then was announced to be scratched. Bowness shows up at 4pm and says his assistants have decided to make a lineup change and it was out of his control.

    Stars go on to lose 7-2
     
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  40. The Banks

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    Fireable offense
     
  41. CF3234

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    That’s some fucking bull shit.
     
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  42. zeberdee

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    the "assistants decided and nothing he could do" part really puts it over the top. at least take ownership of the shitty thing you did.
     
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  43. miles

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    Kyle Connor had 19 shots in his last two games and the only goal was an empty netter lol
     
  44. RavenNole

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    That’s not the way a winning organization allows it’s players to be treated. It’s not like it was a playoff game. You don’t let a guy spend money to bring in family to late scratch him. Thats fucked up. I expect more from bowness who I have always thought well of as a person.
     
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    Favorites won every game last night
     
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  46. zeberdee

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    I've watched that McDavid goal like 15 times this morning. picks it up inside his own blueline with 3 defenders between him and the net and just goes right through them. incredible.
     
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  48. CF3234

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    Guy went to the Babcock school of coaching.
     
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  49. RavenNole

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    The red wings have played 6 more games than the bruins. The scheduling inconsistency seems abnormally bad this season.
     
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    Yeah it’s very surprising that Bowness did this since he’s very highly thought of. It’s 1 game of 82, let him play and you probably get a hell of an effort from the guy. Ross Colton got to play near where he grew up last night in front of his friends and family, he had one of his best games of the season.
     
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