NHL thread: Welcome Seattle, Good Luck Matching Vegas

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  1. DuffandMuff

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    Spin zone: is wilson a flopper?
     
  2. DeToxRox

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  3. CF3234

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    sound about right. game misconduct was the right call.
     
  4. CF3234

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    not sure what to make of this hit from last night. He doesn't lead with the shoulder or elbow, but IMO he clearly jumps into the hit and catches Bjugstad squarely in the face with his back/ass?
     
  5. Illinihockey

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    For me its a penalty but no supplemental discipline. He hits his face but I'm not sure its the principle point of contact.
     
  6. CF3234

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  7. enjj

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  8. enjj

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    Didn’t Havana have a hockey team back in the 30’s?
     
  9. zeberdee

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    Flyers writers finally found someone to like.

     
  10. zeberdee

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    Sam Carchidi is the absolute worst. he actually has me blocked I had to ask someone what that tweet said when I saw Lambert respond.
     
  11. The Banks

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    Back first, feet on the ice until after contact is made, his numbers are what hit him in the face. Without seeing their paths before the hit I say no supplemental discipline
     
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  13. miles

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  14. RavenNole

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    Can someone catch me up to speed on what the experts seem to think with regards to the cap the next few seasons? Are we expecting larger than normal increases? Compliance buyouts at some point? Lightning in particular have a cap situation that I don’t really see how it works moving forward. We usually make smart decisions which makes me think something could be brewing like that.
     
  15. enjj

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    Cap going up means revenues are coming in...considering our dollar is dragging down revenues that’s a real positive.
    Teams must be banking on a buyout. Hope they don’t have one as it’s cap circumvention.
     
  16. Illinihockey

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    There's going to be a lockout next year, so its hard to guess at what the cap situation is going to be
     
  17. Illinihockey

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    So.....what level prospect is Jack Hughes? Is he the consensus top pick?
     
  18. IHHH

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    Yes, comparable is Patrick Kane
     
  19. Illinihockey

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    Is he a center in the NHL, because he’s pretty small
     
  20. IHHH

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    I would think so, but it’s hard to tell right now.
     
  21. CF3234

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    owners get a compliance buyout or two every CBA. No reason for the players to fight it. Allows players to double dip and get paid twice.
     
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  22. enjj

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    It also allows bigger clubs to walk away from their financial mistakes. Which isn’t a level playing field in a cap world.
     
  23. zeberdee

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    "level playing fields" is just a bunch of bullshit that allows owners to control cost anyway.
     
  24. CF3234

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    and it still happens every time there is a CBA negotiation.
     
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  26. miles

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    Barzal with a better shot is probably the closest comparison i can make imo. Think the way that McDavid can take the puck from behind the net all the way to the opposing slot, straight down the middle of the ice- by just being a better skater than everyone else. That's the kind of game he has, but obviously a notch or so below McDavid in most/all attributes.
     
  27. DeToxRox

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    Sucks he was concussed but I don’t have any sympathy

     
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  28. hudson

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    He plays hockey.
     
  29. The Banks

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    Absolutely. In the Crosby/Tavares/McDavid/Matthews tier. Above the likes of Hall/RNH/Yakupov/MacKinnon/Eichel/Hischier. Already heavier than Patrick Kane.
     
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  30. IHHH

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    You are talking about just before the draft and being the top guy? I agree, he is a lock


    Jack Hughes, auston matthews and John Tavares are not in the same tier as mcdavid and Crosby. If we are trying to project his career, I think he will be a Patrick Kane type of guy as far as how he plays and production. Maybe a higher ceiling by a hair.
     
  31. The Banks

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    If you were to put the past 10 forward #1 picks into 2 tiers he's certainly closer to the McDavid tier than the RNH one.
     
  32. IHHH

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    Yes, but two tier is not enough when you have rnh and mackinnon in the same tier...unless you are just talking about how a sure bet these players were/are to be picked number one.

    Than I completely agree, Hughes is number one without question
     
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  33. The Banks

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    If I were to expand the tiers it'd be something like this

    McDavid
    Crosby

    Tavares

    Hughes
    Matthews

    Stamkos
    Eichel

    Kane
    Hall
    MacKinnon

    Hischier

    RNH

    Yakupov
     
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  34. enjj

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    Would you rather a system like baseball? Where only a few teams can afford to compete?
     
  35. mp_22

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    Flyers need to suck for Jack. Instead they hire a new general manager and tell him to make the playoffs :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
     
  36. Name P. Redacted

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    :roll:
     
  37. Illinihockey

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    It’s better down than this shitty watered down version of the NHL.
     
  38. Gunners

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    Sounds like someone is mad the Blackhawks suck now because they managed things poorly.
     
  39. zeberdee

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    baseball has had 8 different champs the last 12 years and another 8 unique teams have made the world series and lost. that’s half the league. teams competing doesn’t seem like a problem to me.
     
  40. enjj

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    2/3 have no shot and are out of a race by July. More teams are racing to the bottom to rebuild and compete for a top draft pick than willing to compete with LA, Boston or the Yankees and their payrolls.

    Also any interest in Craig Anderson? Has one more year on his ticket after this year. Would allow you to keep Hart in the A for some time.
     
  41. zeberdee

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    1. what you’re saying isn’t really true
    2. fewer teams compete every year than hockey because fewer teams make the playoffs. it has nothing to do with payroll. Oakland was last in payroll and won 97 games. Tampa was second to last and won 90. Milwaukee was in the bottom 10 and won 96. this is just a bullshit narrative you’re pushing.
     
  42. miles

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    Baseball is kind of a bad comparison anyway, just due to the nature of the game and teams/rosters. Star/the most expensive players have less influence on a team than in any other team sport, (You don't really get any extra PT; there's no way to build a team around someone other than to put them in the middle of the lineup) and the ~15th best players have a lot of value. MLB clubs can build contenders with stocking deep farm systems and very small percentage of "elite" players. In the NHL if you aren't paying at least a couple guys close to top dollar you basically aren't competing.
     
  43. Gunners

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    I like hockey more because my team just won a title and my baseball team just had one of the worst seasons in history and gave Chris Davis $161 million
     
  44. zeberdee

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    salary caps don’t stop teams from giving out bad contracts.
     
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    and even big markets like New York get fucked over by them in hockey while it does little to nothing to the Yankees if they give out an awful contract
     
  46. zeberdee

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    well money does increase the margin of error, but it doesn’t guarantee anything and the lack of a cap doesn’t stop anyone from being able to compete.
     
  47. hudson

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    Nobody cares.
     
  48. zeberdee

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    it must have really been a struggle for you to
    scroll past the conversation.
     
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  49. IHHH

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    Go home
     
  50. enjj

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    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/project...roll-question-can-a-team-simply-buy-wins/amp/

    Since 1998, only three teams have simultaneously ranked in the bottom half of Opening Day payroll rankings and won the World Series. The 2003 Florida Marlins, 2015 Kansas City Royals, and 2017 Astros began the year ranked 25th, 16th, and 18th respectively, while every other winner in that span was 15th or higher, including seven squads in the top five and three with the number one spot.
    On an even simpler scale, regular season win totals are more easily predicted by where a team begins the year in terms of payroll.

    My narrative?