NHL Thread: What You Doing Hockey Canada

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  1. zeberdee

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    haven’t seen you post in a while. not surprised this is the thing that you decide to defend.
     
  2. CF3234

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    Hot takes. Depending on the mistake, people shouldn't have to pay for the rest of their lives for mistakes of the past, especially mistakes made as a kid. Redemption is real. EX. Tim Hardaway said some absolutely deplorable stuff about homosexuals when John Ameci came out of the closet. The backlash against Hardaway was swift and completely warranted. Hardaway took some time, listened to the same people he attacked tell him why what he said was wrong and now is a pretty big advocate for the LGBTQ community. Despite this, when his name comes up, people still define him for that one interview. He shouldn't keep paying for that sin when he's shown to have grown and learned from it.

    You can say the same thing about Mike Vick after the dog fighting. Guy didn't just throw some money at the AICPA after getting out of jail and call it a day. He walked the walk and showed he learned from his mistakes.

    As for this kid, it doesn't seem like he actually learned anything. He may have apologized to people, but in terms of actually showing growth, it seems like he just hoped it would all go away by not ever talking about it ever again. Not enough imo. He should have a path to playing hockey again and for redemption, but it doesn't seem like he's walked it yet.
     
  3. miles

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    by pretty much every account he’s done the opposite of walk it. Teams said he downplayed the shit out of it in interviews and the mother of the victim said he was still skating by their house regularly despite a restraining order. (And she said the other perpetrator showed extreme remorse and they forgave him, so I doubt she’s being vindictive, there)
     
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  4. MJH

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    Look no one's perfect. I believe in second chances, don't think this kid should be banished from society or something ridiculous like that. We make mistakes and we should learn from them. I saw a story about an ex-felon on a drug charge 20 years ago get the opportunity to vote for the first time in Florida. After the arrest she changed her life and became a college professor. That's someone that did something wrong and turned themselves into a better person following it. From the sounds of it, it doesn't sound like this kid is trying to be better after it. A start would be apologizing or showing some remorse. Get involved with an anti-bullying campaign. Playing in the NHL is a privilege, not a right. If his reaction to this is "I was a kid, I was just 14"...that's not good enough to get the opportunity to play in the NHL. Maybe he has taken some steps to do so, but if he hasn't then he shouldn't be in an NHL's organization.
     
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  5. CF3234

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    couldn't agree more. You don't have to be this kids best friend. But get involved with the special olympics. become a volunteer coach for a "special" hockey team. go to schools and talk about bullying and how you were that guy who did something awful and how you regret it. Do the stuff that shows everyone that you truly regret your actions.
     
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  6. theriner69er

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    I do agree with that to some extent, but it's also fair to point out that he's not legally allowed to have any contact with the kid he bullied. The mother of the kid continuously says he never apologized, but he has publicly, and cannot legally apologize face to face with the kid. The mother claims they never got the letter Miller wrote. Miller claims he wrote it and sent it. Who knows?

    Mitchell and Isiah were actually friends. Not best friends, but they hung out, acquaintances as 8th graders go. Isaiah was saying inappropriate things about Mitchell's twin sister, which prompted this bullying incident. Not an excuse, of course, but some context for what happened. The way Isaiah is portraying their relationship is interesting. From other kids who were in that class and friends with them, it was more like a "typical" 8th grade boys relationship. When Isaiah says Miller constantly beat him up, it gives the impression that Isaiah was a weak, abused kid. He wasn't. He did the same exact type of physical, boys being boys types of things to Miller, and other kids. It was a pretty typical 8th grade boy type behavior. It's not great behavior, it's not how you want kids to act, but it's certainly not unique in most any 8th grade school in the country. Now what that allows Isaiah to do is say "he constantly beat me up". Sure, by the strict definition that's true. But it leaves out important context and details.

    Miller did court ordered community service and counseling, he was kicked out of his 8th grade school, then enrolled in high school in that same district, was initially admitted, but after the first day of classes was removed when the mother complained. I'm just curious where this ends. When Miller is 48 and applying for a job is this mother going to be there to meet with the owners of the company to express her disappointment with them hiring Miller? Is it over now, that he isn't in the NHL and can't play for college? When is it enough, and who decides that?

    Interesting side story, Isaiah's dad was arrested a few years ago for assaulting a soccer coach. He was upset that his son (Isaiah's brother) was not getting enough playing time, and confronted the coach after a game, put him in a headlock and called him a "fucking disgraceful piece of shit" in front of players, parents, etc. That, of course, does not offset or change anything about the bullying incident. Charges were dismissed as part of an agreement, but I wonder what sort of repercussions he should face for that? If any? And for how long?
     
  7. Truman

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    Lol

    His current trajectory probably puts him working at a skating skills school for grade schoolers in Minsk when he’s 48 so I wouldnt worry too much about bad faith context arguments and non sequitur anecdotes about other kids parents.
     
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  9. CF3234

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    Even if all of this is 100% fact, he made the kid eat a piss covered popsicle. You can’t just boys will be boys that away. Even if this isiaih kid isn’t an innocent angel. Miller is the one who faced charges. Do a better job of showing remorse for making a kid lick a piss pop. Be an advocate for anti bullying. Do something other than say he’s also at fault, I wrote a letter, I’m moving on.
     
  10. theriner69er

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    I agree, that's not what I'm boys will be boysing away. It's the idea that Isaiah was consistently abused and beaten up by Miller.

    I do agree that he could do more. Join with an anti-bullying campaign, the local NAACP chapter, speak at grade schools about what he did wrong and how one dumb mistake can change your whole life. I do agree that he could do more.

    I think to be fair, from Miller's pov, it's not just what you are saying either though. It's: I've been expelled from jr high and high school, I wrote a letter of apology, I did community service, I went to counseling, I admitted my mistake over and over, and wrote all NHL teams a letter explaining the situation, my remorse, and how I plan to move forward. I still agree he could and can do more. but he hasn't just said I wrote a letter I'm moving on either.
     
  11. Truman

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    How many UFA years does this cut into?
     
  12. miles

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    3 I believe. He’s 26, so with the 7 or 27 rule after next season he’d be a UFA
     
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    Most of those things he was forced to do. And it seems anything else is just for himself. Nothing for the kid he bullied.
     
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  15. theriner69er

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    True. I definitely think he could do more. But is this now a requirement across the board? If anyone is found guilty of a crime or wrongdoing, you not only need to serve your time, or community service or whatever the lawful punishment is before you can be accepted as having paid your debt, we, as a society, are requiring you to go above and beyond, selflessly reach out to those you've hurt, actively work in the community to right your wrong beyond simply serving your mandated debt?
     
  16. DeToxRox

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  17. fucktx

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    damn
     
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  19. Illinihockey

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    Shit if thats disqualifying then 99% of kids and coaches from the CHL wouldn't be in the NHL
     
  20. CF3234

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    It’s 2020 and he got caught. World changed.
     
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  21. IHHH

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    it did not happen in 2020
     
  22. CF3234

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    Right now is 2020 and right now it’s a story.
     
  23. IHHH

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    i get it, it’s a little unfair though.

    but I won’t die on this hill. I remember as a kid bullying a few kids, get bullied by a few kids but I always remember finding a way to make things right.

    this situation is either really fucked up or a family took advantage of what is going on right now. Some people love to be the victim. This seems like something that could’ve been easily resolved.

    it depends on which side you want to believe.
     
  24. miles

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    Tuch was on the latest chiclets. Apparently he found out he was traded on twitter. Oof
     
  25. miles

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    Another interesting thing about the interview was that he straight up admitted he wasn’t a fast skater until he already got to the NHL and started working with a skating coach who changed his stride completely.

    Easy to forget how technical skating is and not just athleticism.
     
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    Friedman


    There is a Board meeting on Thursday, but a recommendation may not be ready by then.



    Here’s what else we are hearing:



    •At this point, the NHL hopes to have the Stanley Cup awarded no later than July 15.



    •Different sources have heard different potential lengths for the 2020-21 season. Some have heard as few as 56 games, others as many as 72. (The later we start, those numbers would drop.) It is possible the league decreases the number of games to keep a couple of “open weeks” at the end of the regular season in case cancellations create a need to balance the schedule. If those prove to be unnecessary, the playoffs would be moved up.



    •The discussion around hubs is…interesting. Tuesday, during a virtual panel discussion during the Paley International Council Summit, commissioner Gary Bettman indicated the possibilities include teams playing in their own arenas, in hubs, or in a hybrid system. According to multiple sources, there is a growing push for teams to play in their own buildings, with or without fans. One reason, for example, is naming rights on these arenas. With fewer events, those sponsorship deals could be affected.



    •As far as I can tell, the largest remaining unsettled issue involves player salaries. To them, this issue is settled. They signed a CBA extension last summer agreeing to 72 per cent of their gross pay for the upcoming season. They feel this number is set whether they play one game or 70-something games. However, owners feel those salaries should be prorated, especially if there’s no clear path to attendance — creating losses higher than anything 20 per cent escrow would withstand.




    At some point, this is going to have to be addressed to see if common ground can be found. It is not an insignificant issue.



    If Jan. 1 is indeed possible, we’re going to have to know soon, so players can get to their NHL cities. The seven teams that did not make the 2020 Stanley Cup Playoffs are hoping to get an extra few days of training camp. The next couple of weeks are going to be busy.
     
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  31. Truman

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  32. CF3234

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    :yes:

    long live the wild wing jerseys.
     
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    Anything is better than the putrid turds they call jerseys now. Woof
     
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  35. The Banks

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    Love the logo but just an awful font
     
  36. Truman

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    In case anyone was wondering if Yakupov is still doing Yakupov things

     
  37. Pasta88

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    Where is the d in that gif though. The opponent makes the pass after the turnover and there isn’t a Yakupov teammate even in the frame
     
  38. CF3234

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    I’m gonna guess it was a PP situation.
     
  39. Pasta88

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    Yeah could have been 3on3 OT as well (if they have that in the K)
     
  40. DeToxRox

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    Man



    click the link
     
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    but these retros unis are gonna be legit af

     
  44. Cornfed Buffalo

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  45. Truman

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    Man... shots fired @ IHHH
     
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  46. Truman

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    Also the blues’ sweater looks awful
     
  47. IHHH

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    It’s so dead that it doesn’t even hurt anymore
     
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  48. miles

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    Michigan dropped 8 on ASU today. Their freshman class is sheer absurdity
     
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  50. IHHH

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    that was so bad
     
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