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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by NilesIrish, Mar 4, 2019.
I'm cool with any combo of Warren, Harris, Abrams, Pete. Just not a huge Beto fan.
Just really hope Biden decides not to run, because if he does I think he’s our nominee.
Agree. If he backs out it will be really interesting to see where his "numbers" fall down to who.
Right, but they're not going to be on board with any of the other dem candidates either. Pete's talked about how the Republicans have become the religious vote and he doesn't think that needs to be a given. Interesting to see how he campaigns on it going forward and if it moves voters.
Probably a lack of knowledge and having been up Pete's so for so long. I don't dislike him I just from what I have read and learned like others better. He is right on the edge of that first tier for me though. At this point for me I just kind of want to avoid the old white dudes.
He can talk like that and quote scripture all day long, but I don't think it's going to make a difference for those people. If being a good Christian mattered, they wouldn't be in lockstep with Donald Trump.
Are Southern Baptists though? I know the Evangelical crew is toast, but I don't think I have seen and data on the south.
Southern Baptists are basically the same as evangelicals at this point imo given my upbringing. Generally the most hypocritical and always vote R, never deviate.
Religious voters are cultural conservatives. Republican Catholics side with Trump against the pope, the literal voice of God on Earth. They are not changing for anything. It will be a century before religious voters turn liberal on anything
Southern Baptists are the definition of evangelicals.
Catholic here. I liked the Pope when he first started. Then, he made being Pope a political thing. Non Trump voting Catholics are sick of his shit too.
A lot of them voted for Obama though. I am not Catholic but it's my understanding that Catholics actually tend to have a a bit bigger liberal population than most other denominations (because helping the poor). Joe Biden types. Imo evangelicals are the biggest lost cause.
I know a lot of bluish Christians, primarily among the younger crowd who went to church and grew up in a really religious family but can see just how hypocritical it is to vote Republican.
That said, I live in the South, so that’s probably more prevalent here than it is elsewhere. Either way, I think it’s important to have politicians who can speak to people’s religious sensibilities and show them that the progressive message of loving your neighbor, not being a dick/racist/etc., and generally following the actual message of God is more consistent than whatever garbage the right is selling.
If you used your religion to justify voting for a man that hordes wealth, cheats on his wife with porn stars, brags of sexual assault, and can’t name a single line from the Bible, then Pete’s faith probably isn’t going to convince you to vote for him.
I don't think a lot of the evangelicals are actually all that religious or they don't follow what they claim to. It's all part of the culture war nonsense they're involved in and their "in" group than anything else.
The position of the pope is the single most important political office of the past 1000 years.
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.
I think what he's saying regarding the culture war is correct. I also think most, imo, are also as religious as they claim to be.
I feel pretty confident that I do
The monstrous hypocrisy of Christian conservatives is well noted and studied.
“The Pope has never been a political position before now”
- galaxy brained Catholics that don’t like being reminded their savior said they should give away all their money
Didn't the pope used to have armies and stuff tia
Yes. The creation of the modern republic of Italy is also directly interlinked with the pope. Vatican city is the result of political dealing by the pope and Mussolini
Every group has hypocrites. Their beliefs just seem to differ from yours so their hypocrisy is monstrous and apparently more so than every other group.
Or that's what they've experienced the most because they're surrounded by it.
Evangelicals overwhelmingly voted for Trump and currently still approve of him at a far higher rate than the general public. He ran on racist policies and continues to push racist policies. It's safe to assume it isn't a bug at this point and it's definitely something they're into.
Broad strokes make bad points.
you need a few more CCD classes
It’s what people do. They look for faults in others instead of within their own.
Or they get defensive because they fit into the category that others are criticizing.
Did, did you mean to be really ironic with this post?
^ Actual statistics not painting with any brushes
Black Protestants are the smartest group of people in America.
I’m a registered Democrat. What category am I fitting in that he’s describing? I’m actually proof that the category he’s trying to push is bullshit. Spin your narrative elsewhere.
It's not a narrative. It's a fact. You happen to be 1 of 2 or 3 out of 10 (the highest rate in the country by faith) white evangelicals that disapprove of Trump's job performance. The exception doesn't change the rule.
Yeah I’m not convinced you’re even 100% sure what started this this line of conversation then just jumped in with something else.
We're talking about Pete's (or any dem really) appeal to those of faith. Redav was saying that those of faith (particularly evangelicals) are more inclined to the identity politics portion of faith than the faith portion of faith. Siding with Trump (by the largest margin of any faith group) in the country proves that because Trump is the opposite of a real Christian. Have I spelled this out well enough?
I used to like the pope the person I consider God on earth but then he insulted the actual person I worship Donald Trump.
New national Emerson poll:
—Bernie Sanders: 29%
—Joe Biden: 24%
—Pete Buttigieg: 9%
—Beto O’Rourke: 8%
—Kamala Harris: 8%
—Elizabeth Warren: 7%
—Andrew Yang: 3%
Yang up to 3%, and this was taken before his CNN town hall
It seems like politics would be well within the purview of the head of an institution that has been telling people how to live their lives for a couple thousand years
this is on the short list for single dumbest posts in the entire history of TMB
Not many people know that this is the first Pope to ever be political.
I'm not saying that at all. The issues he has chosen to weigh in on and the way he goes about it are what people have a problem with
May God smite them for their unholy ways.
my g/f's fox news watching catholic parents don't like the pope anymore either.
my liberal g/f likes him. She does not watch Fox News
It’s literally what you said
It’s ok to disagree with the stances that the Pope has taken. But don’t say you don’t like him because “he made Pope being political”. That’s absurd. The Pope has often weighed in on abortion or homosexuality or anything political. You just don’t like the new guy’s positions. That’s fine. Own it.
How dare the Pope discuss ..... abortion/contraception, homosexuality, and mother nature/the environment. These things have nothing to do with religion and are all political!