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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by NilesIrish, Mar 4, 2019.
Well, he is an old man. Also, of course they are.
Is there anything this guy isn't/wasn't wrong about?
Biden mansplaining to a women's group is very unsurprising
Yang isn't my guy but his push for basic income is a policy that I hope we start socializing now and gets passed by a dem house and senate that President Bae Warren signs into law in 2021.
I'll add to the basic income plan that it will be necessary to have something in place if we are going to advance in autonomous vehicles and other AI tech that will replace workers. I know a company that recently automated several hundred union jobs with AI and the way they got it approved is by paying union dues for every license they sold. Shady.
This Biden speech is pretty mind numbing
Trump bad, America #1
"Make America America again"
"We don't like that idea because giant fart noise."
Go Yang Go
I want UBI. And reparations. And public service student loan forgiveness to work like it's supposed to. And Warren's student loan forgiveness up to 50k for those with household incomes under 100k.
Basically, focus "cuts" and resources on the bottom and let that trickle up.
If you go back several of us have had the conversation multiples times about UBI and there are some people open to it but quite a few loud opponents for reasons that I've never really thought were particularly compelling.
Usually it's because Yang has weird anarcho fanboys and not about the policy itself.
would I fit in then
It's because it comes at the cost of forgoing SNAP and other benefits, that seemed to be the biggest hangup.
Yeah the Yang Gang creeps me out. I don't want a candidate whose base is built on memes, it's not working out very well for us with this administration
If you want it to*
UBI is a bandaid that does nothing to dent concentration of wealth
This argument always comes off like those people who don't think we should do anything about climate change because we won't have enough of a global impact because of the Chinese.
elizabae isn't big on UBI iirc. doesn't think its time for it and has other big ticket proposals she'd rather start on. I think some form of UBI is inevitable (and am pretty fascinated by the concept) but probably agree we're not there yet.
UBI is fine
but not at the expense of the current welfare state altogether, it should just be included in the income calculation so yes you will move many people off those programs but $1k/month ain't replacing all of it for everyone
the largest debates regarding UBI that I've read are between reformists and revolutionaries
I think both arguments are valid. UBI is good for immediate relief to a lot of people but it's not a long term solution
It doesn't do enough!
Right but it's something and much better than the status quo.
No it's stupid and not enough. And we can't get UBI passed anyway. It's a pipe dream.
Do you think we can do anything that is enough? Aren't more radical changes even less pragmatic?
Farts out of mouth
Except I'm not saying nothing should be done. I'm saying the idea is bad.
Doing nothing and having no political ability to do something are the same thing.
i kind of look at it completely the opposite. its a solution for the long term effects of automation on our society but in the short term we'll lack the political will to justify the investment it would take.
But that argument can be made about Yang and UBI also because it's polling like dogshit
I meant more like UBI is a bandaid and by the nature of capitalism the benefits will be quickly diminished returning us to a crisis point just a decade later when we should have spent our resources ending capitalism.
And I think the argument against that line of thinking is that you're hoping to implement some half measure down the road. Down the road you should have grander expectations.
The argument is about the timeline and the ultimate goal. I don’t think anyone really disagrees with giving poor people money. I think some people wonder that if we’ve moved to the point of saying rich people and companies should be cutting checks to poor people because the system is broken, should we be looking at changing the system or continue to patch it up?
See lack of pragmatism and how it being used as a point against UBI being silly
Personally I wouldnt be throwing stones about political feasibility when the policy you're advocating is literally just giving poor people money
I’m team evolution > revolution but I think this does a disservice to the logic of the revolutionary’s argument about UBI specifically - which is that if we’re having the discussion we should have all of it.
How many votes do you think UBI could get in the Senate? 30?
How do we overthrow capitalism?
When we learned AOC dropped it from the green new deal, that should have told us something about how hard a sell it is.
Probably not that many but probably a lot more than whatever else is in the ether when people refer to some ambiguous alternative that goes further than UBI to address income inequality. Which is ending capitalism? Or something?
I'm guessing they worked for Obama/Biden so they must be centrist, but I agree, most people must not listen to them at all.
I like the idea of UBI but Yang is not the guy to sell it. He's fine, and I would vote for him in a heartbeat, but, someone else would be better suited to run with it. That to me is something you roll out year 2 not as a platform piece to get in office.
I'm a far bigger fan of Harris's Lift Act than Yang's Freedom Dividend.
A pretty consistent 42%... except vs Joseph. Aka Biden is liked by 2% of R's even with being a DemonKKKrat. If he could become a Godly, Righteous (R), I am sure he could beat Trump in a primary.
Confusion reigns. Biden is not a Republican. Bernie is not a Democrat.
Do I really need to come up with a plan to reorganize the economic system of a country with 300 million people in it before I can criticize UBI?
Dump have you ever even voted before?
Biden is running as a Democrat on the platform of saving the Republican Party. That seems to be the thing he most concerned about and driving his run for office
Woooo boy. Start at around 35m
He’s wrong about the Republican Party being victimized by Trump, but he’s not going after the MAGA vote. There’s still a slice of suburban Republicans and GOP leaning independents that are swingy and open to Biden as an alternative to Trump.
I’m pretty confident that Biden won’t be the nominee, but he’s not a Republican.