*Notre Dame* - ACC Champs, if that means anything to you

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  1. theregionsitter

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    I kind of thought that ND is going to get like $40 million a year on a tv deal and be like f it, we will ride it out
     
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  2. NilesIrish

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    I had not thought of that, we have paydays popping up everywhere, leverage the hell out of it.
     
  3. Rise

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    It’s hard to believe nd would leave 60 mil a year on the table but who knows.
     
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  4. 40wwttamgib

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    it would be the most ND thing ever IMO
     
  5. CTownND

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    Isn't D3 a known independence defender who doesn't have amazing administration contacts?
     
  6. chase538

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    Independent supporter yes. Idk as far as amazing administration contacts.
     
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  7. Rise

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    Sampson and prister are the only ones I think would know anything
     
  8. Robdog_5

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    Sampson in II podcast today painted a different picture. Basically said ND used to use football/athletics as an ATM for the school. Now it's become almost opposite
     
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  9. theregionsitter

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    agreed and they seem to think it made sense to join
     
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  10. theregionsitter

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    I have a hard time believing that football still isn’t widely profitable
     
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  11. Robdog_5

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    I have no idea. I'm sure it makes money. But not the kind of money to pay for renovations to athletic facilities and all that to keep up is what I take away from it. Honestly the way they were talking today being independent is losing them money compared to being in a conference and has been for a while. But it seems now that is maybe to the point that it's like too much of a disparity
     
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  12. Goose

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    Is this guy "D3" or is it someone else?
     
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  13. IHHH

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    it’s almost impossible to know if it lost them money, maybe if you look just at the numbers right now but who knows how it would’ve impacted nd’s brand had they joined a conference 5,10, 20 years ago, the same questions need to be analyzed right now. But I agreed with Sampson that it makes a lot more sense if the big ten becomes a ´super conference’
     
  14. IHHH

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    yeah that’s d3. We call him that because he called himself coach d and was a coach for a brief period in d3.
     
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  15. Rise

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    Same person. He went by “Coach D” as a handle and was a dIII coach for a while.
     
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  16. Rise

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    Singer hinting ausberry may commit soon and that a 23 qb commitment may happen quick if nd decides to move on from Moore
     
  17. AbeFroman

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    Wonder who that QB is (if it's not Carr reclassifying)
     
  18. IrishLAX2

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    Ausberry feels like the last mystery silent the way the beat writers are hinting
     
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  19. Rise

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    He was really vague on the qb front could just be clickbait
     
  20. CTownND

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    Have we offered the Baylor kid formally yet?
     
  21. theregionsitter

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    no and I think he’s off the board soon
     
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  22. 40wwttamgib

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    should have been avery johnson smh
     
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  23. gritzy

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    pretty sure its the camp kid from a previous writeup
     
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  24. Rise

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    Which one?
     
  25. Thoros of Beer

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    Smh

    The same people that believe this are also the people that think we can just dip into the endowment
     
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  26. Thoros of Beer

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    The intangible benefits of being independent have declined simultaneously with the benefits of certain conference membership skyrocketing. There are two long term options: join a conference or deemphasize football.

    One school I hadn't really considered before was Texas. I don't know what their obligation is to the SEC, but anytime conference membership has come up in the past decade+ we were closely aligned. Have no idea if that's still true with the newest Texas regime. The ideal scenario would be Texas, Stanford, UNC, and one other, maybe Miami. That would ensure that we get to every region of the country, or at least where football matters and would be a great national conference with five of the biggest brands in the sport.
     
  27. Thoros of Beer

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    And those five biggest brands are Notre Dame, Ohio State, Texas, USC, and Miami.
     
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  28. Beeds07

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    I’ve wondered a scenario where Clemson and the Florida schools go to the SEC and the remaining ACC schools move to the Big 12 and become a strong basketball conference with Baylor, Tech, Arizona, Kansas, UNC, Duke, Syracuse and Louisville. They’d still be able to play a full football schedule but that would be a basketball power. Every scenario I can see says ND should join the B1G because of alignment and the money is too good to pass up.

    There will be zero value in independence once schools join super conferences and have 9-10 game schedules.
     
  29. Rise

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    Yea with gameday revenue plummeting and the need for constant spend/improvements skyrocketing, the only way to stay in the black is tv revenue and I don’t know if nd can do that on its own to the level it needs to. I see no downside to joining a big 10 that is going to have a national presence
     
  30. herb.burdette

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    I have no idea what future numbers are projected for an NBC renewal that keeps ND independent, but every projection of the Big Ten renewal is over $1 billion annually and over $90 million per school. Those numbers were before USC/UCLA and I have to think it’s in excess of $100 million a school now.

    ND’s best case scenario on a NBC renewal as an independent likely is less than half that.

    An extra $50-60 million a year in Big Ten money funds a lot of non-revenue sports and build/upgrades a lot of facilities.
     
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  31. Thoros of Beer

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    We can stomach the current difference, but the new deal is probably too much to swallow
     
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  32. Thoros of Beer

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    It's interesting to think about what three protected games we would want, assuming a 9 or 10 game conference schedule. Would you want both Stanford and USC protected to ensure going to California every year? To me that's a yes. And then one of Purdue or Sparty? That's a fun schedule with good potential road trips. A game against IU in Bloomington would be fun as hell.
     
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  33. nexus

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    could finally break out that “A House Divided” vanity plate that’s been collecting dust all these years
     
  34. Wicket

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    I think what you could do is a 2 tier protected rivalry in the big given the size it will be (assuming a 9 game schedule and a 20 team B1G).
    You play 3 teams every year
    You play 8 teams every other year
    and you would play 8 teams every 4 years
    basically 3 true rivals, 8 rivals(ish) teams and 8 teams you would just happen to be in a conference with.
     
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  35. Thoros of Beer

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    The less we have to go to Piscataway the better
     
  36. Thoros of Beer

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    My preferences with your model and the ideal teams I mentioned:

    Stanford
    USC
    Sparty

    Purdue
    Texas
    Michigan
    UNC
    UCLA
    Wisconsin
    Penn State
    Miami

    IU
    Iowa
    Rutgers
    Minnesota
    Maryland
    Illinois
    Northwestern
    Nebraska
     
  37. nexus

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    I speak for everyone when I say fuck Michigan State and anyone who matriculated in East Lansing. They’re all cunts. All of them. Without exception.
     
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  38. NDfanPSUgrad

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    Does this assume Ohio State to SEC or PAC-12
     
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  39. Thoros of Beer

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    They've received the death penalty. My math is bad.
     
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  40. Thoros of Beer

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    Exactly
     
  41. DetroitIrish3

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    Words hurt, man.
     
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  42. a1ND

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    this is pretty big news potentially
     
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  43. nexus

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    sorry, collateral damage
     
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  44. Burt Handsome

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    I would rather have BC in the Big than Stanford. BC doesn't have to be an every year thing. Just fill in UCLA where Stanford was considered earlier to make the trip out to Cali every year.

    Or if Stanford says fuck it we aren't going to keep up this rat race, they can be a non conference game because they probably aren't going to be any good and it is just going to be another Navy.
     
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  45. Wicket

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    So honestly this shows to me that if they would go super big conference theyd probably go 22 or 24 cuz i dont think theyd add UNC without adding Duke and I think if they go west coast they could also add either oregon or cal to round up those as well to make 24 or add them both and udub or UVA.

    Either way, just kick out rutgers to get an extra spot
     
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  46. Thoros of Beer

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    I would rather have Virginia than Duke tbh, but I get your point and agree. They'll be careful not to dilute the TV payout though.
     
  47. beist

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    I was not kidding when I told you to have jack call Texas. I mean obviously I was but I feel like they would listen, everyone would make more money, and it might actually be enough to shift the competitive balance away from the SEC.
     
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  48. Thoros of Beer

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    It would be objectively awesome and better than the SEC, imo. The B1G is in a spot to become the top league and I'm kind of wondering when and where the SEC will make a counter move. Oregon would make sense but that's even crazier than the LA schools leaving for the B1G.
     
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  49. Wicket

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    so at what point do the B1G and the SEC just sit together and say we have a collective product to offer to TVs, we are going to make TV pay equal between us and now we are going to make conferences that make some sort of sense again. I get the land grab component but at a certain point you are not only creating inefficiencies for non-football sports that outweigh benefits, you are also compromising your product as stands will be emptier as there is less of a game day thing anymore
     
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  50. repoocs

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    That could happen down the line but which network? At this point you have competing TV networks aligning with their respective "big 2" conferences. Sure, one of ESPN or Fox could step up and pay double to get both conferences, but there's only so much available airtime and infrastructure to carry the games themselves, so for the time being we'll continue to see more than one network involved at a major level.