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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Thoros of Beer, Feb 3, 2016.
Bucher needs to be ready by then, along with these young WRs. It's the only hope.
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(This sounds exactly like what we were all saying going in to last year)
Damn I thought he might develop into a player
Very good off-season
There is going to be no one left in the Junior, senior, or RS SR class but starters at this rate
We'll be very active in the transfer market. Time to shine Bill Rees.
this is where I am at. 2021 is going to be a down year relatively speaking. I wouldn't think any of us have playoff expectations but the team can still be competitive and prepare for 2022 and 2023 even though those schedules are more difficult. Let Coan start but by mid point in the season, I'd give Buchner (or Clark) a series or 2 a game or a special package to give them some real game time and experience. I believe BK did this with Book early in the 2017 season before he eventually took over from Wimbush where Ian got some of the red zone packages.
Develop the skill positions in 2021 with a QB who can get them the ball (and isn't afraid to do so) so that they are ready to go in 2022. That's my hope and I think Coan can do that.
ND not having to worry about trimming roster leading into to the season is going to be weird, but im here for college free agency.
The new normal I am afraid
Please anyone?? Red Rover
The Rose Bowl didn't go as planned for Notre Dame as the 31-14 loss covered the spread, but it showed a gap between the Irish and the No. 1 team in the country.
Brian Kelly felt Notre Dame had made strides in physicality and depth since 2013 when asked about where the program has changed leading up to and after the game.
Notre Dame was abused in the trenches and failed to compete with the Crimson Tide in more areas in the National Championship game eight years ago and to those who watch Notre Dame each week, I believe most would agree Kelly has improved his team in the areas he mentioned, but do those in Tuscaloosa agree?
"Very subpar skill players," stated one source. “One of the better offensive lines we have played and it's on par with the SEC. (Ian Book) is talented QB. Smart, composed and keeps plays alive with his feet, but not an elite quarterback."
To see if Kelly's assessment was right, we checked with a few sources close to the Crimson Tide trenches as well.
"They keep coming at you," said one source said of the Irish front seven. "Notre Dame doesn't have big guys, but they kept coming and were physical and annoying. Was easy to see why they made the playoffs.”
Notre Dame's defense as a whole got off to a rough start, but it's clear there is a respect there from Alabama, which likely wasn't there following the clash in 2013.
"They were good up front," stated a source. "#6 is very good and versatile. DBs are average, but they execute."
Another source made a bold statement when it came to Notre Dame's offensive line.
"They were physical," the source stated. "They moved them around up front like no one in the SEC did."
Another source close connected to the Alabama front seven echoed the statement.
"It was the best offensive line they played all year," said the source.
On the recruiting front, Notre Dame's chase for running backs in 2022 will be interesting as two of the nation's best have the Fighting Irish in their top group.
Christian Brothers (Tenn.) running back Dallan Hayden released his top four last week and Notre Dame made the cut. The Irish will be challenged by Ohio State, Oregon and Tennessee for the four-star prospect, but we feel Notre Dame is in a good spot.
If I had to bet, I'd lean towards the top two being Notre Dame and Ohio State, which is significant as his father played at Tennesee. I'm also not totally sure Tony Alford has gone full press on Hayden, which could be positive and negative.
Hayden rushed for 2,010 yards and 24 touchdowns in just nine games.
I do think Alford has his sights set on Governor Mifflin (Pa.) running back Nicholas Singleton. The four-star prospect hasn't narrowed his recruitment down just yet, but Notre Dame is firmly in the mix.
In talking with sources, I still feel confident Notre Dame and Ohio State are the frontrunners. Christian McCollum and I have reported Penn State isn't in this as much as some think and to this point, we feel that it could change, but there is work to be done.
Singleton ran for 1,303 yards and 24 touchdowns in eight games this fall.
West Bloomfield (Mich.) running Dillon Tatum also put Notre Dame in his top group last week. Notre Dame will be competing against Baylor, Georgia. Michigan, Michigan State, Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, USC and Wisconsin in this one.
I'm not sure Notre Dame is in this one too much as the track record at West Bloomfield isn't great over the years and most recently with top 2021 running back Donovan Edwards.
Houston Griffith's decision to enter the Transfer Portal might have surprised some, but this had been in the works for quite some time. A source advised me he would be transferring on Nov. 3rd along with another member listed on the defensive two-deep who hasn't decided at this point. Griffith's decision wasn't impulsive or uneducated, as I've seen some folks report or tweet.
Now I'll agree it is a little confusing as one would figure he'd have the chance to compete for the spot opposite Kyle Hamilton, especially when you consider how much they move the All-American around.
I do think this will provide a good opportunity for a guy like KJ Wallace to get more reps this spring. I'm not sure why he didn't play a little more, but I've been very impressed with what he's done when he's got the chance. Wallace definitely isn't the biggest guy nor the fastest, but he's shown the ability to be a sound tackler, which Notre Dame needs.
As it relates to the other players entering the Transfer Portal, it's essentially who we thought and weren't surprised by any of the names and it makes sense for them. Notre Dame wasn't surprised either as they kept taking recruits in the 2021 class, while some wondered why as the original class number was around 19-20 prospects.
It's also a good thing for Notre Dame that Jafar Armstrong, Colin Grunhard, Jahmir Smith and Kofi Wardlow will be graduate transfers while Isaiah Rutherford and Ja'mion Franklin are the only players who didn't graduate from Notre Dame. Griffith isn't in the Transfer Portal at this point, so we're unsure if he's a graduate transfer, but he was an early enrollee, so he's likely ahead there.
This is why I think Saban decided to ball hog. I think getting his ass kicked in the trenches for a bit made them worry about what Clemson or OSU will do to them given their strengths. Saban doesn't want people to make him admit that his defense isn't what it used to be.
Ovie is somewhat surprising considering he was a guy who got decent burn. DE all the sudden is a bit light. But this may force Bohtello into the lineup which excites me
much appreciated Rise
Prister's film review on Coan
Notre Dame bridged the gap between the departure of Ian Book and the future with incoming freshman Tyler Buchner following the announcement Monday by 6-foot-3, 195-pound Wisconsin grad transfer Jack Coan that he will play his final year of college football at Notre Dame in 2021.
Coan, who helped lead the Badgers to the 2019 Big Ten championship against Ohio State and the Rose Bowl versus Oregon, sat out the 2020 season after suffering a foot injury in the pre-season with freshman Graham Mertz taking over for Wisconsin in its abbreviated 4-3 season.
Coan started all 14 games (10-4) for the Badgers in 2019, completing 236-of-339 passes (69.6 percent) for 2,727 yards, 18 touchdowns and five interceptions. He’ll compete with early-entry freshman Buchner and red-shirt freshman Drew Pyne with the status of red-shirt sophomore Brendon Clark up in the air after his ACL-repaired knee prior to his arrival to Notre Dame flared up this past fall.
In Coan, the Irish have a fairly experienced (18 Big Ten games) quarterback who, after seeing mop-up duty as a freshman in 2017, played in four games as a sophomore and then stepped into the starting lineup on a full-time basis in 2019.
Coan took over at quarterback in the second-to-last regular-season game of his sophomore season against Penn State when starter Alex Hornibrook suffered a head injury the previous week against Rutgers. He closed his sophomore season by completing 9-of-20 for 50 yards in his starting debut against the Nittany Lions (a 22-10 loss) and notched his first victory as a starter against Purdue – a 47-44 triple-overtime outcome – by completing 16-of-24 for 160 yards and two touchdown passes.
Hornibrook quarterbacked the Badgers in the final regular-season game against Minnesota, but Coan returned to the starting lineup against Miami in the Pinstripe Bowl, which Wisconsin won, 35-3. Coan completed 6-of-11 for 73 yards with a touchdown and interception against the Hurricanes.
Firmly in place as the starter in 2019, Coan threw 351 passes in the ground-oriented Badger attack, led by running back Jonathan Taylor, who had most of Wisconsin’s 612 rushing attempts.
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Coan, from Sayville, N.Y., was once committed to Notre Dame to play lacrosse. He considered Rutgers for football before accepting Wisconsin’s offer. He has quality length with good athleticism. He has a free-and-easy throwing motion – more of a three-quarter slinging motion as opposed to over the top – that has proven to be extremely accurate.
Coan is a career 67.9 percent passer. He completed at least 62 percent of his passes in 12 of 14 games in 2019 with the two exceptions coming against Ohio State during the regular season (58.8) and in the Big Ten championship (51.5).
He posted eye-popping completion percentages in 2019 against Michigan State (18-for-21, .857), Michigan (13-of-16, .813), Kent State (12-of-15, .800), Purdue (15-of-19, .789), Central Michigan (26-of-33, .788), Illinois (24-of-32, .750), South Florida (19-of-26, .731), and Minnesota (15-of-22, .682) while turning in a winning performance in a losing effort (28-27) to Oregon in the Rose Bowl (23-of-35, .657).
Coan’s yards-per-attempt in 2019 (8.0) was identical to Book’s in 2020, although his yards per completion (11.5) was about a yard behind Book’s (12.4).
Coan throws an extremely catchable football. Everything he throws is a tight spiral. There’s no tail to his throws as some quarterbacks who do not throw over the top possess. He does not throw the football with high velocity, but rather, puts the ball up for his receivers to make the grab. He and wide receiver Quintez Cephus (59-901-7-15.3) developed a symbiotic relationship in ’19 while Taylor was rushing 2,003 yards.
He has handed the football off on first and second down more than Book because of Wisconsin’s heavy ground-based attack. When Taylor wasn’t carrying it, the Badgers ran numerous jet sweeps, which is an additional explanation for the 63.5 percent-to-36.5 percent run-pass ratio. (Note: Notre Dame’s run-pass ratio in ’20 was 58.2 percent-to-41.8 percent.)
Coan doesn’t have a big arm. He’s not the kind of quarterback who is going to prompt the play-by-play man to say that he “rifled” that pass to his receiver. He has more distance to his deeper throws than he does velocity on his shorter throws. He’s not a fit-a-pass-into-a-tight-window quarterback per se, but he shows resourcefulness in moving the chains.
His extremely high completion percentage is a bit misleading because he threw so many underneath passes within the Wisconsin offense. He has quality accuracy and a smooth-looking delivery, but is not as accurate as his numbers indicate throwing downfield or on contested throws.
Coan will hang in the pocket and take a hit, which means he would seem to be more likely to be sacked than Book, although Coan was sacked 19 times in ’19 and Book was sacked 25 times in ’20. Book threw just 14 more passes in ’20 than Coan did in ’19. So Coan will throw it to avoid a sack more than Book, who was always probing to keep the play alive.
Whereas Book would escape to run in a heartbeat, Coan would rather hang in there, make the throw and take the hit. He’s not the runner Book is, but he’s a good athlete. He’ll take off and use his longer strides to gobble up ground, somewhat in the mold of Phil Jurkovec, although Jurkovec is a better, more athletic runner. He can run some read-option and will provide the element of surprise on keepers. But running won’t be a staple of his game.
He has good pocket awareness. He can maneuver in and around the pocket to buy himself time, but not to the extent that Book developed because he’s longer than Book and not as quick. When Coan chooses to run, he’s decisive and effective. He shows running vision and the ability to weave through initial traffic.
While the term generally carries with it a negative connotation, the expression “game manager” fits Coan more than it doesn’t. With the Irish turning to more of a ground-based, physical attack heading into Tommy Rees’ second year as Notre Dame’s offensive coordinator, Coan fits the scenario, although the Irish likely won’t be able to pound the rock in 2021 like they did in 2020 with the loss of four starting offensive linemen.
Notre Dame had to add a grad-transfer quarterback with the departure of Book, the uncertainty of Clark’s health, and the youth/inexperience of Clark and Pyne. The 2021 season will be a transitional year. Coan can run the offense and improve Notre Dame’s chances of winning nine or 10 games. Buchner is a more physically-gifted thrower of the football with limited prep experience due to injury early in his high school career and the elimination of his senior season due to the pandemic.
Coan obviously comes to Notre Dame as the likely starter, but if Buchner shows he can overcome sporadic playing time on the prep level, he could conceivably challenge for the starting spot, at least based upon comparative quarterback/athletic skills.
A healthy Clark could push for the spot. He’s shown toughness and leadership in practice settings. Pyne possesses a solid understanding of college football quarterbacking concepts and savvy, although his stature could be a limiting factor.
The former NFL Scout posted this in the same thread:
First, an excellent review by Tim. Second, I read a post yesterday where someone said that Coan is Tommy Rees II. That is laughable. I have access to all of Wisco's 2019 game tape and I watched 4 games. Coan is a very good QB and I would say that if he continues to build on 2019 he could will be a draftable QB a year from now. As for the comparison with Tommy....Coan is bigger, stronger, more athletic, faster and has a stronger arm. He can make all the throws needed to be successful in the ND offense. Add to that, he is patient and poised. Being that he played in a run oriented offense at Wisco he will need to adapt to the ND style but that shouldn't be difficult. He is not and never will be as mobile as Book but to me that isn't a concern. I'm probably a little higher on Coan than Tim but overall I feel he is a great addition to ND.
This is just another confirmation of what many have been saying. ND is among the elite on both fronts, but needs to be more talented on the edges, especially WR and CB. And they need the QB play to take advantage if they can get those WRs.
WR recruiting has picked up the last couple cycles. Now let's see if they can develop those athletes and get some QBs through here who can get them the ball.
Nobody is advocating getting away from the punch you in the mouth identity of this team, but the skill positions need to take the next step to make it tougher to zero in and defend against our offense, and the defensive backfield needs to at least make elite WRs earn it. (Nobody shuts down Bama's WRs and offense, in general.)
It's really not, which is why it was so maddening that our offense didn't try to push it a little more.
Driskell said in his article about Ovi he expects 2 more transfers
The other thing I thought was interesting was the Irish Illustrated podcast they seemed to think ND is gonna have to take 2 potential starters in the secondary. So not sure why but they have zero faith in last years freshman. And the 2019 DBs. Not sure if they've heard stuff or just guessing by lack of playing time
Roster is going to be really thin next year
Hope they are looking at bringing in grad transfer safety, wr, and cb again
I'm not sure if it's lack of faith, but with DBs graduating and transferring, it's going to be a need. I think "free agency" in college is going to keep picking up steam, in general - not just at ND. The bottom of rosters at good programs are going to start turning over more often, and we'll more small school "diamonds in the rough" move up to take their shot on the big stage. It will be interesting to see what affect this has on player development across college football.
Honestly, for the players' sake, I like it. Coaches can move around, why can't they?
Yes, those positions, exactly. I'd order them 1. CB 2. WR 3. S.
CB is the most crucial in terms of immediate need, especially with those moving on, and it's a position where there simply isn't as much time to develop anybody. I think the young WRs have potential, but if they can get somebody with some experience who can stretch the field, it will help the offense evolve, if we have a QB to throw to them. I put safety third because they are in serious need of depth and a second starter, but there may be options among the CBs already on the roster if they can bring in CBs to push them. Hell, I wouldn't even mind Riley getting an early look at S.
so thats 10 scholarship players transferring out and 1 transferring in. 13 guys out of eligibility, banks going pro and us already being 2 under the limit were going to be 2 over with our 27 man class.
I just made a mock depth chart and there are some scary spots. OL (more just questions) and DE really isn't as deep as usual. WR we have lots of options but who will step up? Safety and CB is scary if you don't have trust in young guys. I would like to see Barnes and Riley get an opportunity to show what they have. My fear is if you just have FA you miss some of these kids who develop in year 2 or 3. Most 18 year olds aren't ready to play in college. Can't move on from them so soon
The rich will just will just get richer. If you’re a top player at a decent school but not a contender why would you not throw your name in the portal every year if your goal is to play for a national Championship. More specifically this year when you don’t have to sit a year. If that persists beyond this year it’s going to be wild.
No one this year is out of eligibility.
ow for sure, was acting like life was normal again. Forgot in my math that hinish was coming back, mccloud could do another year and maybe 1 of the OL?
Looking over 247's scholarship chart, the 2019 and 2020 classes show some real potential to be special. Development in a few spots, especially WR, is key, though. As is QB play, whomever it is by 2022. I hope the coaches and players are patient and show some trust within those two classes. Hopefully this bridge year in 2021 gives more of them an opportunity to show something.
Clemson just lost a few defensive linemen from their two deep. Interested to see if we make a play on any of them
The downside of starting true freshman
@TomRees. Hope this helps one day
Come to ND and benefit from the 40 year decision in only one season.
Sounding more and more like the Tommy Rees hire all over again for the DC spot. Kicking the can on Freeman, but Elston is the odds on favorite. Sad.
If Elko and Freeman both said no, then this is the obvious move to me
Elston is an extremely valuable coach to have on staff and has been loyal to ND and BK. I'm not that upset with him getting the lifetime achievement opportunity, especially if it's kind of a trial run during the 2021 season that we all know will be a tweener season. DL is an extremely important position group, and he has shown himself to be an elite developer of talent there. If we lost him, we lose one of our best/most important position coaches and we're looking at almost no continuity on the defensive staff if we assume Joseph and Lezynski are out the door.
Admittedly, I'm not as strong on Xs and Os as many others here, so maybe that's where people are also concerned. I realize the main issue with this is it's not a "splash" and doesn't continue to challenge the program to evolve for the better with outside influence.
Where is that coming from? I thought Freeman was coming in for an in-person meeting today
My issues with it...
1. It feels like settling, which has been the Kelly MO for quite awhile. He was almost fired for settling.
2. I’m not sure Elston is an impressive Xs and Os guy. If he was, he’d be somewhere else right now...or already our DC.
Blue and Gold
Definitely the result I expected. Status quo or worse, gotta love it.
Wait, Freeman's on-site today but we're not going to offer him? I'm confused.
He is on site Thursday. We will offer him he will ask for more money we will hire Elston and tout a national search
Loy reported yesterday (and seems to be standing by it now) that Freeman's zoom call with Kelly went well and he would be coming in for a face to face either today or Thursday, with him going to LSU on tomorrow. idk what BGI is reporting but apparently they don't think Freeman is a realistic candidate.
Please keep in mind the difference in sources
It sounds like Blue and Gold is reporting that we’re continuing the process with Freeman, but their prediction is we end up with Elston.
As long as Freeman is walking around campus this week, I'll allow myself to float in a state of cautious optimism
Gonna be great when Freeman is hired elsewhere and takes Mickens with him
The only source I trust is DameFan
Confused by the Ovie transfer. I’d think he’d get tons of PT next year