Separate names with a comma.
Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Thoros of Beer, Feb 3, 2016.
i would argue that the op-ed outlines exactly the terms on which the university would continue to invest in its college football program. i don't think the wish is to move away, but it's time to deal with it if we ever are going to. the timing isn't completely random either, folks.
except that it's 100% true. is it a scare tactic, sure, and it's effective because it's going to happen and kind of already is.
Feels like this year is already looking like our last legitimate chance at ever winning a national title
It depends on the demographics. Football isn't declining where I'm at. But it is declining other places rapidly. I think there will be supply as long as the money at the top is still there. Because it's a way to change people's lives/generations and for some they believe this is there only opportunity. If college goes away I think this will rapidly decline. I'm not sure where I'm at anybody is talking about or caring much about CTE.
I think the next 5 will be our chance. The roster is getting more talented. Can Freeman be a difference maker enough. Idk. But the last 2 classes have been better.
2024 is a pretty decent shot at playoffs/NC if Buchner becomes a better/more accurate version of the QB he was against South Carolina in the bowl game. The 2022 class will be juniors at that point (Tobias and Ben M should be nearing their peaks). The Dline should be much better with age and experience. Sneed and Kollie could become elite by then as well. That 2022 class had so much talent and the 2023 class has even more and they will be sophomores
I don't care what the rankings say, these last 2 classes are the two best classes since the 2013 class. We might be staring at some elite QB play (finally!!) too to add to the rest of the talented roster.
Administration is getting reamed for this article
between this and the OC fiasco I feel bad for Marcus - he really does have a hand tied behind his back
There will be a g league for the nfl set up as soon as
feels like 2018 may have been the last hurrah.
That's quite hyperbolic. Especially considering the freshman class may be the most talented group on the roster. It may very well be moving there. But it's not that fast.
Yeah, I'm sure it's different there. It's not like football is dead here, but youth numbers are definitely down. Then again, other sports are experiencing the same for different reasons.
I'll be honest, it didn't break my heart when my now senior walked away a couple years back. He wasn't going to be a scholarship player, not even close. I love the game. Played and coached for long time. But for him, the rewards lay elsewhere and I didn't mind him missing out on the risks.
We have a young head coach still learning the ropes, a novice OC that got demoted after his only year ever as an OC, recruiting will only become harder as more teams beef up their NIL, and we have a poster in this thread who works for the school essentially saying the admin's position is to stop investing in football
Hartman will be the only time we've had a top 10 QB since Clausen and wouldn't have came if Rees announced he was leaving one month earlier. You need a top 10 QB to win a title. I fear Marcus is gone after multiple public humiliations if he ever puts it together, and what he is today is a very good recruiter that lost to two terrible teams last year
I don't think its hyperbolic to say a bad year this year and a bad recruiting class means an acceleration away from investing in the sport and we'll never come close to a title again
This is the type of posting that gets Beeds07 out of bed in the morning ready to take on the world
You preparing for a bad year would certainly be on script. There are healthier hobbies, you know.
Did we just become best friends?
Eric Bossi said he thinks there is a pretty good chance this kid follows Shrewsberry fwiw
His dad is the GM for the Denver Nuggets and played in the league for a long time
This season might as well be called The Last Waltz
2015 was the last chance. But unfortunately BVG ruined ND football forever.
Yeah. That defense fucked a great opportunity.
I never said the admin is going to stop investing in football. Good grief. And my job has nothing to do with my analysis. Just pay attention.
This gif makes it all worth it
It's like this thread is on a menstrual cycle
...and the flow is HEAVY rn
extra crampy for sure
Maybe some cranberry juice would help
PSU’s 247 mod said the buzz is he will be following Shrews
Kid is very good
I dont care about basketball. but why did he leave Penn St? is it that bad of a bb school?
This great background article covers it with direct quotes from Shrews
When Micah Shrewsberry first came to Penn State in the spring of 2021, we had a couple of really good long phone conversations about his background. They all centered around the game of basketball and people from Indiana. The two go together.
There were his grade school years in Jeffersonville, Ind. across the Ohio River from Louisville and cheering for the adored local high school team. There were his own middle and high school years when the family moved north to Indianapolis.
There were the years with Brad Stevens of Zionsville, Ind., who played against him in high school and college and who mentored him as a coach at Butler and with the Boston Celtics. There were the two stints with Matt Painter, native of Fort Wayne (via Muncie), his mentor at Purdue.
The Hoosier State is in his blood. Its state sport courses through his veins.
I remember saying to him that he was in a very different place now. That these people he’d be dealing with were not so infused with the love of his chosen sport.
On Wednesday, it became official that he will leave Penn State after two very successful years as the Nittany Lions’ basketball coach and take the job at Notre Dame recently vacated by Mike Brey.
He was kind enough to call me on Wednesday night and discuss why. The differences between Indiana and Pennsylvania were at the forefront of my questions. Because I grew up and spent the first half of my life in the Midwest and I understand them both.
Why, I asked, was he leaving after just getting PSU hoops rolling? After an unexpected NCAA tournament appearance, a stunning 17-point first-round win over Texas A&M, and a just as impressive 5-point loss to #2-seed Texas?
“At the end of the day, if things are even or close to even, the chance to go back to Indiana and coach one of the major programs in the state, it means so much to me. I’ve coached all over the state. And I understand the history of Notre Dame basketball. It was just a special opportunity.
“That means more to me. It means more to me than other people who may be from somewhere else.”
Such as Pennsylvania. It’s quite accurate to say Shrewsberry found himself in a foreign land from the moment he came to central Pennsylvania two years ago. He was among people who, by and large, neither loved nor even understood basketball.
“In Indiana, it’s the number-one sport. Football has gained some steam because of Peyton Manning and [the Indianapolis Colts] winning a championship back in 2008.
“But basketball is a religion.”
And he grew up worshiping at the altar of that religion, as a kid, as a teen, as a grown adult, as a fan and as a coach, in every corner of the state.
Shrewsberry told a story of pulling up a video last week of a high school regional game. It was between Penn High, near South Bend, and Kokomo High, an hour south. The stakes: A chance to go to the Indiana state high school championship.
“And that gym is completely packed. Had to be at least 5, or 6,000 people. Everybody in the community rallies around those high schools and that basketball. From high school to college, those teams are worshiped.”
And that means something in the context of this job?
“Yeah, it does. Just the power, the love of basketball in the state is huge.”
Here, Shrewsberry attempted to see through a Keystone lens:
“Pennsylvania loves football. It means a lot. Wrestling means a lot to the people here. Just how basketball is treated in Indiana. That’s the same way.”
Shrewsberry again referenced Indiana through his mother Brenda and father Bill:
“They love basketball. If they’d go to a tournament we were playing in at Butler or Purdue, they’d stay to watch all the games, not just our game. Just because they enjoy watching, because that’s what they grew up a part of. My family had season tickets to Jefferson High School games where I grew up.”
I said I understood. He laughed, I assumed at how most people in Pennsylvania wouldn’t even fathom the existence of season tickets for high school basketball.
Shrewsberry, 46, and his wife Molly are also quite familiar with South Bend in specific. His first and only previous head coaching job to Penn State was at an NAIA school, Indiana-South Bend. Their first child Braeden had just been born when he took the job there in 2005 after having an assistant’s position at Marshall University in West Virginia. They were in South Bend for two years. They know the turf.
There are also hard-wired connections here between Notre Dame and Shrewsberry’s family. Longtime UND athletic director Jack Swarbrick, who quietly brokered and signed this deal, has a business connection with Shrewsberry’s father, respected Indiana political figure and businessman Bill Shrewsberry.
Twenty-five years ago, Swarbrick was chairman of the Indiana Sports Corporation. He was mastermind behind Indianapolis winning a variety of national and international college and Olympic sporting events, not to mention the relocation of the NCAA’s national headquarters to Indy from Overland Park, Kansas in 1997.
The NCAA’s new office was built on downtown land that is part of White River State Park, an urban park that houses a concert amphitheater, the Indianapolis Zoo and adjoins IUPUI. The park’s de facto landlord at the time was Bill Shrewsberry. So, the families have been familiar for decades. There must be a degree of comfort there for the new ND coach.
Still, this transaction might shock a few Penn State fans and disappoint some others. But it all gets back to value. Notre Dame might be a “football school” with a cachet that stretches across the nation with students from all over the world. But it still is in Indiana.
Penn State will never be home. Not only that, it will always be populated with people who think of basketball as just another sport to pass the time in the winter, a recreational activity.
There are all sorts of factors at work here, from deficient NIL funding to old troubles with the athletic department booking time in but not controlling PSU’s state-funded building. But it all gets back to the fact that the sport always will get second billing or worse. That fans consider it something to do rather than something they adore.
Just as an example, anecdotally over the past two years from other sources, I heard stories of people working in the Bryce Jordan Center who didn’t know who Shrewsberry was and stopped him. He had to prove he was the basketball coach. They didn’t mean any harm. They honestly just didn’t know.
Shrewsberry is not the sort of ego-driven guy who expresses indignance at such slights. He’s the opposite. I heard he just said calmly that he worked in the building, showed ID, and went on his way.
Can you imagine this ever happening to James Franklin at Beaver Stadium?
This will not happen at Notre Dame. It wouldn’t happen anyplace in Indiana. Everyone at every school, middle, high, college or university, knows who the basketball coach is.
In the end, that’s why Micah Shrewsberry is going home. Not because people will love him. But because he can share a common love – of his, and their, favorite sport.
Talks didn’t start until after they were out but he just happened to be watching Penn tape a week ago… huh.
Luckily no one told him ND doesn't recruit its own state
to be fair Kokomo has like the #1 2025 kid
that was an excellent game too
Had no idea he still has another year
COVID has completely destroyed my ability to follow eligibility
Cormac is a fine player, but I'm fine with a complete new blood approach and just letting Shrewsberry crush the portal
Counter Point, he's probably better than what ND will get in the portal and let's let Shrew coach him up at age 26
Team bring Cormac back
Hard to know without telling what we're getting, but we're probably not a tourney team next year so I'd rather get up and coming guys with 2-3 years left who may be turned off if Cormac is back. Who knows but I have a lot more confidence than I did 72 hours ago
I'm hearing he may go play for his mentor James Naismith.
Holy shit it's gonna feel good to have a good QB.
Shrewsberry hire is official.
Eric Bossi on Carey Booth:
Posted this article earlier today (which doesn't say a lot, it was just a quick newser about him asking for a release), but I'll be floored if Booth doesn't end up at Notre Dame.
2024 but yes, Flory is a badass
ND baseball just took game 1 against #6 Louisville 4-3. This team is showing signs of life. Hope they can take the series this weekend.