*Notre Dame* - Holey War (Soak vs. Anal)

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  1. Thoros of Beer

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    I think stands are empty because the product has largely stunk for years. Big games are few and far between. The NFL model is way better at optimizing television revenue by signing up all the networks. Personally, don't want one big league and would much rather have two competing conferences.

    There will eventually be separate conferences for non-revenue sports.
     
  2. Wicket

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    NFL does 2 networks, 4 if you count the fringe broadcasts on TNF and MNF I believe (keep in mind, im just getting it at 1 place so i could be incorrect here). Al you really need is a layer above the conferences to do that bidding for them and you are all of a sudden not as subject to the whims of networks and you can do some quality control
     
  3. Thoros of Beer

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    I'm not an anti-trust expert, but I feel like that would be an issue without an exemption.
     
  4. IrishLAX2

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    Continuing to hitch our wagon to a TV network sounds like a shortsighted play, and one that immediately got the ACC into hot water.

    Partner with whichever major conference (SEC or B1G) that makes a forward-thinking streaming deal with a Big Tech provider. The money for that deal is going to make it impossible for ND to say no. No reason to sign anything before that happens.
     
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  5. Thoros of Beer

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    Sounds like the B1G will be the first mover there
     
  6. beist

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    They don’t have many more cards to play short of getting ND or a marquee Big 10 program to join. Adding the remaining southern brands seems like a foregone conclusion (Clemson, FSU, Miami) but that doesn’t do all that much to change the calculus. Neither would Oregon really, I feel like that would be splashy for a minute but ultimately they would fall off the map pretty quickly.
     
  7. Thoros of Beer

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    Oregon is absolutely loaded though. I think they actually get better with more exposure. They (and USC to an extent) have suffered nationally by playing mostly on the West Coast.
     
  8. IrishLAX2

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    A B1G membership plus regular OOC matchups in Florida and Texas seems to solve every monetary and geography concern we have.
     
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  9. Wicket

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    you could argue that conferences are that regardless, never been challenged on that grounds
     
  10. Thoros of Beer

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    Conferences compete against each other.
     
  11. Rise

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    I struggle to see AT authorities defining a narrow enough market for cfb to win any type of argument. Or frankly want to spend the resources unless there is some crazy consumer-focused cost associated.
     
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    The climate in college athletics is really weird after Alston. Everyone is running to washington asking "is this OK?"
     
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  13. Wicket

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    for local market share thats barely the truth (we are talking about their negotiations with TV execs right?)
     
  14. Thoros of Beer

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    Colluding on TV negotiations would be a problem, nor would it work that well in practice.
     
  15. Dr. Richard Cranium

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    Isn't the SEC just going to go get Clemson, FSU, and Miami?
     
  16. Rise

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    I mean there is a 30 year old running the ftc because of a law review article so crazy times.
     
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    This doesn't make them a more national conference nor will it add media markets. It adds competitors to existing members so a lot goes against it. Clemson is in the worst spot, imo. New money, provincial school, etc
     
  18. repoocs

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    This is a good point that seems to be glossed over right now when pundits cite their current media value, which, admittedly, would be a net loss against what the B1G is expecting to be able to deliver per team. But if any school with a current net negative against that number has the potential to gain in value and marketability with more exposure, it's probably them. Washington, as well, with the cusion of the Seattle market already baked in.

    I mean, hell, if the B1G can eat what value they lose with the likes of Rutgers, they Caan absorb Oregon with the hopes of raising their national value.
     
  19. Thoros of Beer

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    Interconference scheduling might get restrictive the bigger conferences get. That's a problem.
     
  20. Thoros of Beer

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    Plus they add the big game factor. Who is willing to spend on their football program is probably the better question to ask than what market a team adds. That might save a school like Clemson who will spend prodigiously to stay relevant and be a "big game" for other schools.
     
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  21. Rise

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    Sounds like both moore’s will be off the board this week. I am interested to see if there is a push to get a 23 recruit. Kinda sucks we are In the dead period
     
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    there is nothing dead about a dead period anymore
     
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  23. NilesIrish

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    I’ll believe Dante when I see it. That kid has been going to imminently commit somewhere like 4 times.
     
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    Well new option being floated is a pac12 acc alliance with a championship game in Vegas. Gross
     
  25. Druce

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    lick my taint
     
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  26. Dr. Richard Cranium

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    Make a run at Dante in October when Buchner is a Heisman candidate
     
  27. a1ND

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    let's hope this is true regarding Peyton Bowen

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  28. Yanks711

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    I've seen its expected to go over $1.5bil total/$100mil per school after adding LA.
     
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  29. Beeds07

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    You can’t pass that up :idk:
     
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  30. herb.burdette

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    The $1 billion number has been leaked since February.

    It also seems the Big Ten is trying to set a package that breaks with ESPN and bids out to Fox, NBC, CBS, and Amazon.

    Fox will have primary rights, but likes to put the big games at noon. Most of the chatter is NBC taking a Saturday night game each week Fox doesn’t go prime time, CBS taking a 3:30 slot like it’s old SEC deal, and Amazon streaming a Friday night game.
     
  31. Rise

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    This would be the best move
     
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    Apple has been trying to engage the B1G on some level of streaming as well.
     
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    You hate to see it.
    June 5, 2022: Key mistake made by an SEC head coach

    A week before Tennessee was named the leader, however, Benson had a fantastic official visit to LSU for most of his time in Baton Rouge. The Tigers’ wide receiver history and the feeling he and his family had on campus put the program in a great spot for Benson.

    It was a mistake made by head coach Brian Kelly, however, that hurt LSU’s chances with him.

    “The feeling that I had was almost close to how I felt at Bama,” Benson said. “What sunk LSU was when I was in the little recruiting room with my family and this other kid’s family. He’s a corner. [Coach Kelly] introduced him as the No. 3 corner in the class. Then, he gets to me and was like, ‘And the No. 1 tight end, we have Malik.’ When Coach Kelly called me a tight end, my heart shattered and just kept falling… my last words I hear from you [on the visit] were you calling me a tight end.”

    Had Kelly not called Benson a tight end, would they have made things interesting with Alabama?

    “It would’ve been tough, I cannot lie,” Benson replied. “When I think of receivers, I think of those two schools. I’m a big Odell [Beckham Jr.] fan. After he said that, I don’t care what they do or the feeling… that’s the head coach.
     
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    Also, noon games suck
     
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  36. NilesIrish

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    Incredible
     
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  37. Yanks711

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    This is the guy that broke the LA news:



    That's without an ND. ND drives that number even higher.
     
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  38. repoocs

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    Brian Kelly flubbed a recruitment? If the kid was a four star caddie, he would have been all over it.
     
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  39. herb.burdette

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    Fox has had a majority stake in the Big Ten Network since 2007. Fox and ESPN/ABC split the Big Ten package in 2016, but Fox had first pick of games for most weeks in the season.

    Fox carries the baseball playoffs and World Series in prime time for nearly all of October and Big Ten teams don’t play night games after the first week of November, so they are content with their ratings for Big Noon and 3:30 slots.

    NBC and CBS can slide into 3:30 and 8:00 pretty easily under the current format and take what ESPN formerly had from 2016-2023.
     
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  40. Rise

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    I raised this fact for the lsu fan base on 247
     
  41. Dr. Richard Cranium

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    Fixed your quote
     
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  42. Thoros of Beer

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    I agree with that too!
     
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  43. a1ND

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    wow, BK is an idiot
     
  44. CTownND

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    That has very much "read who he was meeting off some note card handed to him by a staffer five seconds before walking in that room" vibes.
     
  45. laxjoe

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  46. a1ND

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    i can't say i disagree w/ any of this

    Notre Dame is recruiting at an extremely high level. In fact, the Fighting Irish currently have the No. 1 class nationally according to the 247Sports Composite Team Recruiting Rankings.

    Despite the impressive efforts of head coach Marcus Freeman and his coaching staff, there are still some underrated prospects on the commit list. Let’s take a look at the 19 commits headed to play for the Irish and offer up five names that could use a bump in my opinion. No, we’re not just going to discuss the five lowest-rated recruits on the list. A bump is a bump, so whether it’s a few spots or a ton, that’s what we’re going to look at. I’m also going to use the 247Sports Composite Rankings.

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    Four-star safety Adon Shuler: Listed as the No. 222 overall player in the country and No. 16 safety nationally, I’d like to see Shuler end up being ranked in the bottom half of the Top100. I think he has all the tools of an elite safety. He looks the part physically, he can run, he plays fearless and he loves to hit. Anything outside the Top150 bothers me for a player of his caliber, but I still think he’s a Top100 talent nationally.



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    Four-star tight end Cooper Flanagan: Listed as the No. 239 overall player in the country and No. 13 tight end nationally, I’m not sure I’d take another tight end this cycle outside of Duce Robinson. No question there are some very good players at the position including Riley Williams, Walker Lyons and others, but Flanagan is the real deal and he can do it all. He’s, in my opinion, a surefire Top 5 prospect at his position and that would cement him as a Top100 talent nationally. He’s going to be outstanding in college.




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    Four-star linebacker Drayk Bowen: Listed as the No. 76 overall player in the country and No. 6 linebacker nationally, I’m not saying that Bowen is a five-star in the Top32 but I do believe he should be listed inside the Top50. From the sidelines of Lucas Oil Stadium, I watched Bowen absolutely dominate on both sides of the ball in his state championship-winning game last fall and that was enough for me. There is so much to like about his game, his athleticism, his toughness, his work ethic, his drive and his passion to be great. Maybe I’m wrong and only time will tell, but he’s a guy you want on your team if you’re going to win a lot of games.



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    Four-star offensive tackle Charles Jagusah: Listed as the No. 55 overall player in the country and No. 5 offensive tackle nationally, Jagusah is ranked as one of the top overall players in America. However, there is room for improvement. I truly believe that in a few years you’ll hear Jagusah’s name selected in the first round of the NFL Draft, which should have him listed as a five-star recruit in the Top32 nationally. Jagusah is long, extremely athletic, strong, physical, an excellent bender with great footwork, and he has the tools of an elite lineman. The upside here is very real.



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    Five-star edge Keon Keeley: Listed as the No. 8 overall player in the country and No. 1 edge nationally, I’m crazy or listing him here, right? Wrong. There are currently seven players listed ahead of Keeley on the national rankings and in my honest opinion, I think that’s seven too many. Obviously we are talking about the best of the best, truly elite players in all of high school football and these guys are rightfully listed in the Top10, but for me, Keeley is the best high school football player in America and also the safest prospect in the class. I would list him as the No. 1 overall recruit and believe that in a few years he’ll see his name called with the first overall pick in the NFL Draft.
     
  47. Rise

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    Wild they omits hanafin. Nvm not a commit
     
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  49. Rise

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    Yea the baseball team is in ruins. Maybe Keeley’s friends can get scholarships
     
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    By the way no doubt that a lot of this is beqcause the southern teams are giving out nil to all prospects to get around the scholarship limits. Nd may get crushed in nom-revenue recruiting for a while