*Notre Dame* - Home of the #1 overall recruit in a country

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  1. Wicket

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    yeah i know its the old Lou way, perfected by Jimmy Johnson probably. But not many of the current safeties left seem that suitable for this move
     
  2. Druce

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    While this year and next will probably be transition years for roster building, I think it would be a mistake to not take by most accounts a very good LB who also has a brother on the team, and honestly when it comes down to it, I don't see them passing on this kid.
     
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  3. Beeds07

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    I say sign him and figure it out later. For all the hang wringing over class size, it always seems to work itself out
     
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  4. beist

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    yep. bad karma
     
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  5. Beeds07

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    From The Atlantic. I'll copy and paste if it doesn't come through

    edit: It's long, so I spoilered it.

    https://theathletic.com/967741/2019/05/09/notre-dame-defensive-depth-chart/

    Notre Dame’s defensive depth chart is filled with questions. It’s got answers, too

    SOUTH BEND, Ind. — Brian Kelly was realistic about the biggest challenge facing Notre Dame’s defense when exiting spring ball. The Irish will take a step back at linebacker, with the question more about the length of that stride. That measurement, whatever it proves to be, will inform exactly where Notre Dame can take this season, one in which the Irish will field a defense with generational talent at end but dogged questions at a few other positions for coordinator Clark Lea to answer.

    “There is enough athleticism out there,” Kelly said. “It will be our job and Clark’s job to put them in position to succeed. They aren’t as experienced at that position as we’ve had in the past. It’ll be our job to utilize their athletic ability and put them in positions to succeed. If that means us doing some things, that’s our job. We’re seeing progress and we have to be smart in taking advantage of their skill set.”

    Even if the Irish aren’t in an ideal position at linebacker, boundary cornerback or defensive tackle, they have the material to get somewhere good. And it’s that progress, whatever it proves to be, that can raise the ceiling on next season.

    After taking a deep dive last week into the offensive depth chart, where the Irish are loaded with answers and potential, the focus now shifts to a defense that will have questions facing it every week come fall.

    Drop End (5)
    Starter: Julian Okwara (Sr.)

    Backup: Daelin Hayes (Sr.)

    In Reserve: Justin Ademilola (So.), Ovie Oghoufo (So.), Isaiah Foskey (Fr.)

    Notre Dame’s blend of talent and experience at the drop end position should be unmatched in college football, which is a new (and temporary) reality for this program considering its history with skilled pass rushers. Even three years ago, Brian Kelly was basically willing to concede that he wouldn’t have the singular athletes coming off the edge who populated the rosters of Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State. Yet, after three years developing the talent on hand, sometimes in game situations because there was no alternative, Notre Dame should be ready to capitalize on watching Julian Okwara and Daelin Hayes grow up on Saturdays.

    To understand what could be with Okwara’s senior season after he made the decision to come back, look at Clemson’s Clelin Ferrell, who made a similar decision and turned himself into a Top 5 NFL draft pick this spring. Ferrell won the Ted Hendricks Award (nation’s top defensive end) after posting 19.5 TFLs and 12 sacks in helping Clemson to the national title. That last bio line might be a bit much for Okwara, but double-digit sacks, 20 TFLs and a bunch of All-American notice before going in the first round of the draft feels reasonable. Notre Dame hasn’t had a defensive end go in the first round since 1997 (Renaldo Wynn).

    Daelin Hayes was a five-star prospect on Rivals.com and hasn’t approached that level of play to date with five career sacks, yet few teams will have this level of backup in terms of raw talent or experience. Hayes has played in 37 games the past three seasons and started 12 times as a sophomore before the storm of Okwara gathered. Even if Hayes doesn’t start once this season, he’ll be a critical as a first-team player in the nickel and dime packages. He should log 450+ snaps if healthy.

    Justin Ademilola is a clear sixth man at defensive end and would be a co-starter during normal times at Notre Dame. He was one of Notre Dame’s best defensive players during the Blue-Gold Game with two legitimate sacks in an exhibition that was touch football for quarterbacks. Ovie Oghoufo should help on special teams. Incoming freshman Isaiah Foskey shouldn’t see more than four games of action.

    Big End (5)
    Starter: Khalid Kareem (Sr.)

    Backup: Ade Ogundeji (Sr.)

    In Reserve: Jamir Jones (Sr.), Kofi Wardlow (Jr.), NaNa Osafo-Mensah (Fr.)

    Khalid Kareem is similar to Okwara in NFL potential but different in how he’ll get there. Whereas Okwara has elite speed and absurd length but doesn’t have dominant size, Kareem is quality in all areas but perhaps not elite in any of them. Regardless, that mixture of being good at everything should make Kareem a fringe All-American and second-day NFL draft pick next spring. The idea of Notre Dame producing two ends with double-digit sacks feels realistic, even at a program where three years ago the defensive end who led the team in sacks finished the season with one takedown of a quarterback. One! Kareem toyed with Notre Dame’s offensive tackles in the spring game with three sacks in about a quarter of work. It’s worth remembering Kareem has yet to play a full season at optimum health, dogged by ankle injuries last fall.

    Ade Ogundeji will be a role player this season but appears fully ready for that after three years in the weight room. When Notre Dame took him as a bonus recruit who’d been committed to Western Michigan, it was under the premise that the strength staff would get the first few cracks at a 6-foot-5, 216-pound athlete with barely two seasons of football experience. That was nearly 40 pounds ago for Ogundeji, who posted a sack in the Cotton Bowl when he beat four-year starter Mitch Hyatt off the edge. After posting 235 real defensive snaps last regular season, look for Ogundeji to play more than 300 snaps while rotating with Kareem. Then he’ll start as a fifth-year senior.

    Jamir Jones is probably more of a drop end, but look for the staff to redshirt him with an inspired application of the new rule. Here’s how. Jones will be a senior who’s already burned eligibility in his first three seasons. Under the old rules, this fall would be his final season regardless of his role. Now the coaching staff can squeeze out a fifth year by playing him in four games or fewer. That should let Jones be a starter as a fifth-year senior. Does the coaching staff make Jones a reinforcement for Kareem, Okwara and Hayes in the biggest games like Georgia, Michigan and USC? Does it start him in the lesser ones like New Mexico or Bowling Green to give a starter a day off? These are all first-world questions. Notre Dame is thrilled to ask them.

    Kofi Wardlow was taken as a project two years ago and has yet to flicker. He might have a difficult time holding off Notre Dame’s incoming freshman class that includes NaNa Osafo-Mensah, who enrolled early.

    Defensive Tackle (4)
    Starter: Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa (Jr.)

    Backup: Jayson Ademilola (So.)

    In Reserve: Howard Cross (Fr.), Hunter Spears (Fr.)

    Notre Dame must replace first-round pick Jerry Tillery here, which will be impossible on paper, even in concert for the remaining talent on campus. Tillery was Notre Dame’s most indispensable defensive lineman (not just defensive tackle) the past two seasons because the Irish didn’t have anybody like him. And now that Tillery is gone, Notre Dame still doesn’t have a replacement ready as it’s difficult to find athletes built like the new Los Angeles Chargers defensive tackle. Tillery led the defensive line with 625 real defensive snaps last regular season. Kareem was the next closest at 567 snaps, basically a full game less played.

    Tagovailoa-Amosa will get first crack after missing almost all of last season following a broken foot in the first half against Michigan. He returned in a limited capacity against Clemson in the Cotton Bowl. The most likely scenario here is Tagovailoa-Amosa rotating with Jayson Ademilola on the interior, with the sophomore a more capable interior pass rusher. Like his twin brother Justin, Jayson also picked up a couple sacks in the spring game. It’s hard to know how this position will hold up with a Tagovailoa-Amosa/Ademilola rotation, but Notre Dame doesn’t have much choice but to give this a go.

    Howard Cross and Hunter Spears round out the depth chart, but it’s hard to see either playing more than a bit part as freshmen. Spears enrolled early but is rehabbing from a second torn ACL. Cross will enroll this summer as a swing defensive lineman, but his first looks will be at defensive tackle. If Notre Dame has to rely on either during their first seasons, something went wrong at this position.

    Nose Tackle (4)
    Starter: Kurt Hinish (Jr.)

    Backup: Jacob Lacey (Fr.)

    In Reserve: Darnell Ewell (Jr.), Ja’Mion Franklin (So.)

    Notre Dame is short on bodies at nose tackle, although Kurt Hinish turned in a solid sophomore season, developing from clear backup to co-starter with Jonathan Bonner as the year progressed. Can Hinish take another significant step forward as a junior, giving the Irish more than effort? It’s hard to make that prediction based solely on the Blue-Gold Game when Hinish didn’t make a tackle, not that anybody has ever judged nose tackles on tackle totals. Still, Notre Dame needs some kind of playmaking from the position. Hinish has the strength and size to hold up, but it’s not clear if he can do more, nor is it clear if the Irish have game-ready talent behind him. For Notre Dame’s defense to surprise this season, Hinish probably does too.

    There are a few ways to look at Jacob Lacey as the backup nose guard, which doesn’t need to be a negative. For starters, Lacey has already flashed enough that those inside the Gug believe he might be the best interior defensive lineman on campus right now. That’s a good thing. Lacey was more advanced than a typical early enrollee during spring ball. And yet, the idea of a true freshman being a key player at a man’s position isn’t ideal, regardless of how good Lacey might prove to be as he grows up. More than anything, Notre Dame needs both its interior line positions to stay healthy.

    Darnell Ewell and Ja’Mion Franklin aren’t ready to be game-tested due to injuries and a lack of development, at least in the case of Ewell. The former four-star prospect was supposed to be the next big thing but was moved from defensive tackle to offensive guard after his sophomore season, then returned to defensive tackle this spring. Could he help on single-digit snaps per game over the season, a la Micah Dew-Treadway? Perhaps. Franklin is the more interesting case as a bull rusher with agility, but he’s coming off a brutal quad injury. He might be a season away from being truly ready to compete.

    Mike Linebacker (5)
    Starter: Asmar Bilal (5th)

    Backup: Shayne Simon (So.)

    In Reserve: Drew White (Jr.), Bo Bauer (So.), Jonathan Jones (Sr.)

    How do you replace a player who’s led the defense in tackles each of the past two seasons? This is an excellent question and one Notre Dame is not quite ready to answer, thanks for asking. It says something that a player who went undrafted could be this indispensable, but that’s the reality for Notre Dame as it attempts to recreate Te’von Coney in the middle of the defense. This is a day defensive coordinator and linebackers coach Clark Lea knew was coming. Now it’s here. And all the advanced notice in the world hasn’t made this rebuilding job simple.

    Asmar Bilal will get the first crack in the opener against Louisville barring something unforeseen during camp, but it feels less like the fifth-year senior’s won the job and more like he’s simply the best available option. Bilal played Rover the past two seasons, backing up Drue Tranquill as a junior and starting there as a senior. It wasn’t a surprise Lea moved Bilal to the Buck at the start of spring practice, but his shift to the Mike was more curious. Bilal has never had the most natural feel for linebacker, and the Mike requires those instincts to be sharp. Bilal has a critical offseason coming if he wants to get to Coney’s level.

    The most optimistic outcome is sophomore Shayne Simon rotating with Bilal after an inconsistent spring. Simon began spring ball as a potential Buck, then shifted to Mike halfway through. The immediate returns didn’t win over the staff, but Simon played well during the spring game. Like Bilal, Simon is a former Rover turned Buck turned Mike. Three positions in his first academic year is a unique path through the program. Simon was recruited by the current coaching staff to specifically fill the Rover spot.

    Drew White may be the roster’s most interesting player you’ve never heard of from an athletic perspective. The coaches were quietly high on his chances to win the Mike job. An accident on spring break and the shoulder surgery that followed sidetracked all that. Bo Bauer looked lost during spring practice in terms of the reps the coaches gave him. But he made plays during the spring game. Jonathan Jones can help on special teams with Bauer, at a minimum.

    Buck Linebacker (4)
    Starter: Jack Lamb (So.)

    Backup: Jordan Genmark Heath (Jr.)

    In Reserve: JD Bertrand (Fr.), Osi Ekwonu (Fr.)

    If Jack Lamb can stay healthy after injuries forced both a redshirt freshman season and a lost Blue-Gold Game, there’s little question that he represents the ideal starting Buck because of his length and natural feel in the pass game. Lamb doesn’t have the credibility of the player he’d replace in Drue Tranquill, a two-time captain, but he would bring more range to the position. That body type (6-foot-4, 227 pounds) is exactly what Notre Dame wants in a linebacker in terms of reach, although Lamb could afford to put on 10-to-15 pounds to hold up against the run. Regardless, there’s a lot to like here if Lamb can avoid injury. The coaching staff likes where Lamb is headed with four years of eligibility remaining.

    A year into his conversion from safety, Jordan Genmark Heath appears more comfortable at linebacker even if the experience hasn’t been 100 percent natural at times. He played extensively in the spring game with Lamb out, but it’s hard to point to plays being made. Still, if the light goes on for Genmark Heath into fall camp, there’s a job to be won. He played extensively at Northwestern last season with Tranquill limited by a high ankle sprain. The drop off was obvious, yet it was also Genmark Heath’s first real reps.

    Barring a position switch, freshmen JD Bertrand and Osi Ekwonu will work in reserve here, although considering the position switches to date at linebacker there’s little reason to marry them to one linebacker spot before they enroll this summer.

    Rover (4)
    Starter: Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah (Jr.)

    Backup: Paul Moala (So.)

    In Reserve: Jack Kiser (Fr.), Marist Liufau (Fr.)

    When spring practice opened there was little insight into what Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah was or was not. He’d missed virtually his entire sophomore season due to a broken foot. And he was set to play a bit part even when healthy after he’d struggled to pick up Notre Dame’s systems on both defense and special teams. Basically, Owusu-Koramoah was earning the tag of an incredible athlete who’d yet to prove himself to be an equally adept football player. That’s why spring practice was so important for Owusu-Koramoah, both because there was an opening starting job to win and because Notre Dame needed somebody, anybody, to take advantage of the opportunities at the linebacker position.

    By all accounts Owusu-Koramoah did more than outlast the competition at Rover, he won the job, with converted safety Paul Moala backing him up. The fact Notre Dame moved linebackers out of Rover this offseason seems to say something about what the staff believes it has in Owusu-Koramoah. The same sentiment might apply to Moala, who felt like a reach when Notre Dame took him out of local Penn High School as a mid-level recruit two years ago. After a season working on special teams and as a deep reserve at safety, Moala seems to fit Rover well. His hitting ability impressed Notre Dame’s offensive coaches during scout team work last season.

    Freshmen Jack Kiser and Marist Liufau were expected to be long-term projects when they signed, but Kiser impressed the staff immediately during winter workouts before a shoulder surgery scrapped his spring practice. The odds favor both players taking redshirts this season, but if either turns into a special teams ace they could force the staff to play them.

    Field Cornerback (5)
    Starter: Troy Pride (Sr.)

    Backup: Shaun Crawford (5th)

    In Reserve: TaRiq Bracy (So.), Temitope Agoro (Sr), K.J. Wallace (Fr.)

    Troy Pride should rate among the nation’s better field corners and could have a contract year coming considering his measurables. He allowed just one touchdown pass all last season, which came in the final minutes of the regular season finale at USC. On top of that, he posted a 40 time in the high 4.3s during Notre Dame’s internal testing after spring practice. As much as losing Julian Love to the NFL a season early hurt, Pride gives Notre Dame a savvy defender on one side of the secondary. If Pride played his way onto a few All-American teams, it wouldn’t be a shock. His final season is a chance to earn his first NFL contract.

    The wild card here is Shaun Crawford, who’s suffered three season-ending injuries during the past four years. When fully healthy, Crawford is an elite nickel and a pass game disruptor. The problem is that he’s almost never healthy. Twice he’s torn his ACL in preseason camp on non-contact injuries. He ruptured his Achilles in the second game of his sophomore season. Will the accumulation of severe injuries take away some of Crawford’s explosive athleticism? It’s hard to have supreme confidence here.

    TaRiq Bracy was thrust into action during the second half of his freshman season and played well in a few spots before being eaten alive at USC. He didn’t see the field against Clemson, even after Love’s bizarre second-quarter injury. The weight room will be a key area for improvement this summer. Walk-on Temitope Agoro got real second-team reps during spring ball. Incoming freshman K.J. Wallace is almost a certain redshirt.

    Boundary Cornerback (4)
    Starter: Houston Griffith (So.)

    Backup: Donte Vaughn (Sr.)

    In Reserve: Avery Davis (Jr.), Isaiah Rutherford (Fr.)

    When Houston Griffith enrolled at mid-semester a year ago, he lasted about a week at cornerback before shifting to safety. A year later, Notre Dame moved him back to cornerback from safety at the start of his second spring practice. The returns on that second switch were mixed at best, with Griffith repeatedly beaten during spring practices. Even defensive coordinator Clark Lea admitted that Griffith was going through a very public learning curve, one that would test the sophomore’s resolve with everybody watching. The bottom line is that Notre Dame needs Griffith to improve in a big way from spring ball for the secondary to hold up. With Troy Pride, Alohi Gilman and Jalen Elliott back at the other three starting positions, Griffith figures to see a lot of action come fall.

    Donte Vaughn underwent shoulder surgery after the Cotton Bowl and missed spring practice, although he’s expected to be healthy for fall camp. After a rough junior year, which followed an anonymous sophomore season, it’s hard to know what to expect from Vaughn, the uniquely built cornerback with 6-foot-3, 210-pound size.

    Avery Davis was a curiosity during spring ball, working on his third position in three years. The quarterback turned running back turned cornerback flashed in spots, mostly working as a nickel back. Notre Dame needs to get something about his athleticism, and not just on special teams. Freshman Isaiah Rutherford is a wild card, arriving this summer as much as an athlete as a cornerback.

    Safety (6)
    Starter: Alohi Gilman (Sr.)

    Backup: Kyle Hamilton (Fr.)

    In Reserve: D.J. Brown (So.)

    Starter: Jalen Elliott (Sr.)

    Backup: Derrik Allen (So.)

    In Reserve: Litchfield Ajavon (Fr.)

    Notre Dame’s safeties seem to be moving more toward interchangeable roles instead of the strong/free dynamic in most defenses. Regardless of what their positions are called, Alohi Gilman and Jalen Elliott will again be indispensable, even though everybody will know as much before the season kicks off. Neither was a known commodity at this point last summer. A lack of depth ran each into the ground as juniors, something Clark Lea wants to avoid. And yet, don’t believe Notre Dame will do that until it actually does. Gilman and Elliott are too good. What’s behind them is too inexperienced. The Irish don’t have a safety on the roster after Gilman and Elliott who’s played a snap at safety in his career, with only D.J. Brown seeing the field as a mop-up cornerback last fall.

    Combined, Gilman and Elliott combined for 1,680 real defensive snaps last regular season. Brown played three snaps at cornerback at Wake Forest. Derrik Allen didn’t see the field. Kyle Hamilton and Litchfield Ajavon were in high school. The idea that Notre Dame will suddenly rotate at safety without any known quantities feels like wishful thinking, even if the Irish are wishing it.

    All that said, there’s an expectation around Hamilton that he’s unique and will push for time, beyond what Houston Griffith got last season when he rotated at the nickel. If Hamilton turns into Notre Dame’s third safety and can be a 20-snap player it would be a valuable utility within the defense that lacked any kind of reliable outlet at safety last season. It’s not clear where trend lines of Allen and Brown point after their freshman seasons, although Allen had a few flashes in the Blue-Gold Game while Brown looked more like a reserve. Ajavon could help on special teams as a freshman, if necessary.

    This position depends on the health of Gilman and Elliott. If the Irish are good there, they’ll be good at safety. If they’re not, they probably won’t be.
     
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  6. a1ND

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    the last 4 commits to ND in the 2020 class

    Jordan Johnson (top 50)
    Jordan Botehlo (5* worthy)
    Rylie Mills (top 100)
    Tosh Baker (top 20 worthy)

    that's about as great of a 1 month recruiting run that I've seen ND have since I started following recruiting. All worth of top 100 consideration and 2 I think should be 5 stars when it's all said and done...seriously, I think I am on a recruiting high right now

    Loy has also commented multiple times that Tyree is committing soon so I'm quite certain he is already a silent commit (no way Loy puts himself out there like that w/o knowing this will happen already). He spoke to Saban and still didn't setup an OV to bama so i think that says all you need to know. He's coming to ND.

    Just so much elite talent and the kids seem like much better fits than in the past when we went after the top guys and got them to come (Lynch, Ishaq, Vanderdoes, etc...)
     
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  7. Rise

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    Fucking ishaq. Every time he came in the game they would run right st him and he would get destroyed what a waste
     
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  8. a1ND

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    that's why it can't just be about talent and measurables...need to have the personality/demeanor and instincts to succeed at the top levels
     
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  9. GordoBombay

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    A friend and I are planning on going to South Bend to see Notre Dame play. We are trying for either the Bowling Green or Va Tech game. Any suggestions on must things to do/see to get the full game day experience?
     
  10. NilesIrish

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    What’s your plan? Game day is easy as campus is pretty small. If you plan to be around more than just game day we all have stuff to recommend.
     
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  11. GordoBombay

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    Our plan is to fly into Chicago on a Friday and we can’t decide if it would be best to drive to South Bend early Saturday morning or Friday right after we land.
     
  12. laxjoe

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    Think both those games are the new stupid 230 kickoffs, so I'd definitely recommend coming in Friday night (I'd recommend Friday night regardless, but especially with 230 kickoff). Niles and others will have some good info and I'll be able to pop back in later to provide my input.
     
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  13. NilesIrish

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    I’d get to South Bend if it ere me. Chicago obviously has more to do but downtown is sneaky cool for the whole experience. Saturday, get to campus relatively early. Several of us have established tailgates. Find a base and then explore. The Dome, the band marching in, a steak sandwich, the players walking in. are all kind of rights of passage. Gameday.nd.edu has details. I think that’s the right url. Past that we all have stuff and like to help.
     
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  14. Beeds07

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    Someone who posted on page one of this thread should edit and put this info in there so people can find it once we put it together.

    Edit: I edited my post on page one but feel free to tell me what I missed.
     
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  15. Beeds07

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    I went in and edited a post on Page 1. If you have more specific questions, reach out.
     
  16. NilesIrish

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    I’ll be a bit shocked if beer is not in by this fall. Garth was a big experiment imo. And yeah, second all of this. We all tailgate pretty close together too, so it’s fun. Given the rep campus is small. You can see everything and still have fun in the parking lots easily.
     
  17. theregionsitter

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  18. IHHH

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    I like how they are really turning it up in recruiting but I would feel like such a little shit doing stuff like this to please the ego of a 17 years old
     
  19. Juke Coolengody

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    Never go full Diaco
     
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  20. Rise

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    I know Loy is a bit of a homer but he usually isn’t super brazen about recruiting and he keeps dropping that we are getting Henning and tyree
     
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  21. IHHH

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    Coach d seems to be leaning that way too, fuck that would be awesome. Gotta continu winning but this could really put Nd in a great spot.

    Kelly should stay a few more years (2-3) chip long won’t leave if he gets all his guys in recruiting(unless he gets a stupid offer) Clark lea should stay at least a couple years before his resume is good enough. We could be in for a great run.

    Only coach I am still concerned about is Quinn and we will see this year, hope kelly shows no mercy if the results are not up to par
     
  22. theregionsitter

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    The last two to three recruiting classes this group literally did not follow recruiting

    We are all in on this 2020 class as a group

    Winning is weird
     
  23. IHHH

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    This class seems to bring in a lot more high talent. We were all pretty down on Nd as a real contender before last year, then Nd went to the playoffs and we all saw what Nd needed to win it all. It seems like this staff is doing a good job getting it together to at least stay a top 10 program that can be in the conversation. That makes recruiting exciting
     
  24. Rise

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    This is the most I have followed recruiting since like the 06 when I was watching Noel Devine highlights and thinking about how good Aldridge was gonna be.
     
  25. beist

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    I bought a premium subscription to rivals the day Aldridge committed. 5 star RBs do it for me
     
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  26. IHHH

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    Great decision!

    I started following recruiting during the clausen year, when the class was almost all signed. I got my real first taste of recruiting with Omar (he gone) hunter
     
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  27. theregionsitter

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    Fucking Omar Hunter man that kid took ppl for a ride
     
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  28. Rise

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    It used to be so much more interesting. Arillius benn and martez Wilson. Ben Martin and the 5 star mlb who went to Tennessee and then sucked ass.

    Still think for all the losses we got the most impactful single commitment in Nd maybe fbs history in Teo.
     
  29. IHHH

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    It was huge, at a low point for Nd and he got the pub....good and bad.

    But I am not sure we get all these Hawaiians without manti, making inroads in there was huge regardless of his legendary career on the field.
     
  30. IHHH

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  31. Rise

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    We are getting Carmody as the second OL.
     
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  32. IanC

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    2017 and 2018 is the first time that Kelly stacked 2 strong seasons in a row. Winning games and enthusiastic recruiters makes this all a lot easier. Imagine that.
     
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    To expand on the above I don't think there was any revelation that the staff realized finally that they needed better players. I think they had some middling/bad seasons and some dead weight as recruiters and did what they could to raise the floor.

    Now we have momentum due to winning seasons and depth that allows us to fight for top talent without the fear of losing and getting stuck empty handed
     
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    I agree with you, despite my post above. It takes time and finally they can go for the bigger fish without fear. It’s not like they desperately wanted Bruce heggie back then but you need bodies.
     
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  35. Rise

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    It’s insane to think there is only one kid from the last class who needs to play this year (Lacy) and I can’t think of a position (besides qb) where if one guy sucks it will change the outcome of the season.
     
  36. theregionsitter

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    This is happening?
     
  37. Seems likely. He immediately set a visit, called the offer surreal. His brother is at ND. Get him and Zinter and call it a class or maybe just get him. The 2021 class is loaded and they are in the lead or top 2 for a lot of really good players and already landed Crippen.
     
  38. Wicket

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    honestly would take just 2 guys. We only lose ruhland after this year and "just" 3 years the year after. I think going 2 guys this class and 4 guys in the next, where OL is shaping up to be beyond sweet would be the way to go iyam
     
  39. I agree especially given how good the next class is and I think they could focus their efforts elsewhere like corner where they are only in on one top prospect who they do not necessarily lead for so need to amass some bodies there and hope for the best
     
  40. a1ND

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    2020 is a down your for top offensive linemen as a whole (especially compared to 2019 and 2021 classes). ND landed the one truly elite guy they could AND he is the one guy they needed most - a can't miss LT prospect. 2019 class will probably fill in the other 4 spots on the oline with Kristofic at RT (or backup LT), Carroll as RT or LG, Olmstead as a RG (or he gets replaced by Dirksen here), and Correll at center - that's a no brainer. I think this is the 2021 oline.

    in hindsight, I actually think Baker may have been the single most important recruit in the entire class regardless of who else we get. You can put in a 3 star guy at RB or WR, but you can't do that at LT, that will get your QB killed or completely stall the offense
     
  41. a1ND

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    every single ND mod has put in a pick for Carmody to ND, i think this is a foregone conclusion at this point
     
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  42. a1ND

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    also, it's nice to have someone like Carmody (a top 100 guy on 247) be basically an afterthought in this class, that's pretty crazy
     
  43. IanC

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    Loy is just #piggybacking

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  45. Red Rover

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    Yeah it’s pretty nuts

    IIRC Carmody is like Baker where he just started playing football. He’s got a pretty high ceiling as well and being an asshole seems to be something he and his brother share, which is good for an OL
     
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  46. Pelican

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    It was like 87% at one point and then it mysteriously changed. This was around the same time my 2019 rank dropped from No. 2 overall to like 33rd. SAD
     
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  47. Killy Me Please

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    Donald was a hilarious bust.
     
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  48. Rise

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    Apparently he got his orange sweatsuit and mailed it in from there
     
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  50. theregionsitter

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