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  1. IrishLAX2

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    Sprained ankle. No word on timeline
     
  2. Robdog_5

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    I'm gonna give the OL a few weeks to figure it out. Quinn has been solid his first 3 years I'm not gonna light a guy on fire for 2 games. I expected a huge drop-off here and anyone who didn't is bona-fide crazy.

    The 2 positions where experience really important is QB and OL. This OL has very little. The only ones who do are Patterson whose coming off not playing for 8 months. Lugg limited. Madden who played inferior competition and is leanring a new playbook/teammates and that's really it. It's crazy to think it's just gonna roll on after losing 4 guys who started more than 2+ seasons
     
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  3. Killy Me Please

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    I can cope with the ol. Havent watched the game yet but they need time to gel. Possibly execute Madden
     
  4. IHHH

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    these guys are not experienced in games but they are not young, they have been in the program for a while. What are they doing? That type of performance would be acceptable in their first big game at home against a good dl. They got smoked by Toledo. The nd oline got whooped by a Toledo dline and they did not even do anything special, they just whooped the oline. There is zero justification for it.
     
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  5. IHHH

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    You will change your mind once you watch the game, this oline is a disgrace
     
  6. Killy Me Please

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    They're talented. The previous classes always had upper classmen to show them the way.
     
  7. IHHH

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    Patterson is a senior, lugg too, Corell is a junior and Madden is as old as Shawn crawford.

    what the other classes had was hiestand coaching them up for a while.
     
  8. Rise

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    Hahahah. Driskel and his team aren’t allowed in the Nd press box. They say in the stands taking notes etc.
     
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    What’s even funnier is that the guy sitting 3 seats to his left is most likely his « source »
     
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  10. Rise

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    Lol I was right lugg was pass blocking on a stretch play. Listening these guys go through all the mental errors for the o line. Yiiiiiiiikes - high school shit
     
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    i remember that play, he was standing there like an idiot

    and you are listening to the driskell podcast right now
     
  12. Rise

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    Yes
     
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    Almost 100% that dumbass is not vaxxed. Only thing that explains his guys getting access to practice, etc. but not him.
     
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    Man I had to watch the colts game today and the OL played like absolute garbage. Felt like 4 more quarters of ND. Miserable
     
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    What was up with Hamilton? And wouldn't have guessed the corners played well.

     
  16. Robdog_5

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    I coach football. I see it year in and year out. It's not about talent. Your going from a controlled environment to a live environment. It's wildly different. I'd say Carroll is undersized and is a center. Madden isn't as talented as he had produced at Marshall. Carmody shouldn't be playing yet. Lugg and Patterson have to be better. But this is not a big time talented group such as the last. The most talented guys on the roster have been recruited by Quinn ironically.
     
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    missed a few really important tackles, thats all i can think off
     
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    fair points, Nd is also down to its third left tackle. But I think we can agree that this line should be better in year 127 of Brian Kelly, no matter who you lose in the draft, you should always have a decent oline at Nd. I am not asking for 2017 oline, Nd just needs to be able to block 260 pounds d linemen.
     
  19. Beeds07

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    Carroll is a right tackle playing left but they just aren’t playing well as a unit.

    The play calling has been atrocious also

    I had to correct it twice but Carmody.
     
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    Are we confusing Quinn carroll with zeke Correll right now?

    this season is a waste of time, even the fans suck

     
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    It’s like the video game fake SI covers

     
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    He likely missed some reads that could have been even better than what we got. But overall it was a good debut
     
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    Where can i watch the game.
     
  24. Rise

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    It is so frustrating watching the last drive and the oline did great. Like they weren’t trying befor
     
  25. Rise

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    Man, I went on the FSU board for a minute and one of their mods posts basically sayin 6-6 isn’t attainable and he’s not even sure if the program will ever be able to recover.
     
  26. Constant

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  27. beist

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    If them just trying harder will fix it, I’ll take that.
     
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    “From a defensive standpoint there is a little more to it than maybe I thought in terms of figuring some things out. Offensively, I thought we would get to a run game that we felt comfortable with sooner.

    “The personnel is driving a lot of this in terms of making it difficult to settle on something because we have some guys that really can make some plays and we are a little hesitant at times to say, ‘All right, this is who we are going to be.’

    “We’ve got to stop tinkering and say, ‘All right, this is it. Let’s go.’ We’re in a transition, and as I told the guys in the locker room, starting Monday, we have to make it simpler for everybody.” -- Brian Kelly

    • The two-quarterback system was covered thoroughly in Saturday’s Snap Judgments and Sunday’s Point After (see below). With what’s happening along the offensive line, both quarterbacks are needed.

    https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Article/Snap-Judgments-Toledo-Notre-Dame-170734013/

    https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Article/Tim-Pristers-Point-After-toledo-vs-Notre-Dame-Football-170803112/

    So let’s move on to the specifics of the performances of Jack Coan and Tyler Buchner. Most of the inconsistency of the offense starts on the offensive line. But some decision-making by Coan and others explains the up-and-down nature of the offensive performance.

    In fact, a sequence of six plays when Coan was under siege displays the inconsistency. The sequence took place late in the first quarter with the Irish leading, 7-6. Here’s what happened on six plays in back-to-back series.

    1. Left guard Zeke Correll didn’t get to the second level to block the linebacker and Kyren Williams gained three yards.
    2. A poor handoff read by Coan allowed an unblocked Terrance Taylor to chase down Williams from the backside on a two-yard loss.
    3. Taylor beat left tackle Michael Carmody inside for the sack of Coan.
    4. Former Notre Dame linebacker Jonathan Jones came on a late blitz and Williams didn’t pick it up.
    5. Right tackle Josh Lugg was pushed into Coan by defensive end Jamal Hines.
    6. Coan’s pass to Kevin Austin Jr. landed behind him.
    In a six-play sequence, there were breakdowns with five offensive players, three of which were offensive linemen. It’s this kind of inconsistency that has plagued the Irish.

    • Any talk of choosing one quarterback over the other right now would be unwise. Buchner did some very good things in the running game and the package that was designed for him. The versatility that allows a larger RPO package is enticing. It has its place and is needed because Notre Dame’s offensive line is so porous, and Buchner is needed to widen the field. Notre Dame’s juggling act with the quarterbacks worked well.

    When Coan can set his feet and throw, he’s a 70-to-75 percent passer. Notre Dame’s receivers are blossoming. You can’t remove Coan from the equation. Buchner is not prepared to make the throws or reads that Coan can make right now. Buchner’s lower release point creates a slinging motion. The accuracy from that release point can be sketchy.

    But Buchner did a marvelous job. Not sure if everyone realizes that at 6-foot-1, Buchner is a sturdy 215 pounds. Not only is he quick at that size, but he ran through an arm-tackle attempt by Toledo linebacker Dyontae Johnson for a 15-yard gain on the first play of the fourth quarter.

    Love the RPO stuff where Braden Lenzy runs a streak to clear out the space on the field and Buchner can choose to run, throw the deep ball or swing a pass to a running back. When two backs are on the field, it starts with a play-action fake. There’s a lot from which to choose and a lot to defend.

    But Buchner would be exposed right now if he were to be thrown into the fray full-time. Toledo defensive coordinator Vince Kehres would have confused Buchner with a multitude of looks. A veteran like Coan had enough difficulties. That’s why this was a win for Brian Kelly/Tommy Rees by preparing for and implementing a two-quarterback system that ultimately generated four touchdowns, 27 first downs and 449 yards total offense.

    The 55-yard catch-and-run by Chris Tyree when the Irish needed to expand its one-point lead was a brilliant call by Rees. For an inconsistent day against a stout defensive line with a struggling offensive line, they got just enough offense to pull it out.

    • The big plays created against Notre Dame through the first two games of the season throw a wet blanket over the things that have been accomplished defensively through the first two games. Notre Dame has 10 sacks and 19 tackles for loss in two games. That’s disruptive. Notre Dame’s defensive line has gotten good pressure on quarterbacks Jordan Travis, McKenzie Milton and Carter Bradley. Mix in the linebacker pressure and opposing offensive coordinators have their hands full.

    The Irish limited Toledo to just one touchdown on four red-zone entries. Notre Dame is 4-of-8 in that department through two games. That’s a good start. It’s tied for 40th nationally. Were it not for the stout nature of the Irish defense in the red zone in the first half of the Toledo game, the Irish would have been trailing by much more than two points at halftime.

    • Notre Dame’s defense has allowed 19 yards or less on 17-of-28 opponent possessions (60.7 percent). On 13-of-28 drives (46.4 percent), the opponent has not gained a first down. The Brian VanGorder comparisons are not accurate. They’re applying pressure to the quarterback. They’re getting off the field for the most part. The Rockets had 172 yards through three quarters. VanGorder’s defenses didn’t do that.

    • What skews it all are the four explosive plays – two each by Florida State and Toledo. There was the 89-yard run and 60-yard pass by the Seminoles. There was the 66-yard pass and the 67-yard run by the Rockets. That’s four plays accounting for 282 yards for an average of 70.5 yards per those four snaps.

    Florida State and Toledo ran 133 other plays that accounted for 517 yards for an average of 3.8 yards per snap. That means 35.2 percent of the yardage has come on 2.9 percent of the plays.

    They all count. You can’t exclude the four plays from the tally. But Marcus Freeman has a plan. I might argue that it could be a “too much too soon” approach with his aggression if it’s creating big plays. The Irish have to be better on third down (14-of-33 conversions for a too high 42.2 percent).

    But there is a transition going on. In addition to the offense adapting to a more aggressive passing game with a less experienced offensive line/running game, the defense has gone from a “don’t give up the big play” mentality to an attacking approach up front.

    Keep in mind that in Freeman’s first season in Cincinnati, the Bearcats were 93rd in scoring defense and 95th in total defense. They became a top eight defense once the personnel adapted to the scheme. I don’t believe Notre Dame’s defensive personnel is unsuited to the scheme. The pressures up front are proving that. But there is an adaptation period.

    • There is another disturbing trend in addition to the explosive plays allowed. The Irish have allowed 67 points in two games. Opponents have scored 13 points in the first quarter, 17 in the second, six in the third and 31 in the fourth. That’s 46.2 percent of the points allowed in the final 15 minutes.

    • And yet lost amidst the two big plays and two late scores by the Rockets was the fact that Toledo did not score an offensive touchdown until 7:48 remained in the fourth quarter. Think about that. While the pervading notion is that Marcus Freeman has done a poor job in his start with the Irish, they just played 52:12 before allowing an offensive touchdown, and it took a great shovel-pass call to score that touchdown. Reality lies somewhere in between and is overly slanted (rightfully so) by four plays.

    • Have you noticed Notre Dame’s cornerbacks much through the first two games? I mean that from the standpoint of the cornerbacks don’t appear to be the source of any major issues against the pass or on the long plays. Houston Griffith was the victim on the 60-yarder by Florida State and KJ Wallace was caught in a well-designed criss-cross route on Devin Maddox’s 66-yard reception.

    It should be noted that besides the 66-yard play in the passing game, no other Toledo wideout had a reception of longer than 15 yards. Cornerbacks Cam Hart and Clarence Lewis are playing very solid football against the pass up to this point. In addition to Maddox, Toledo boasts Isaiah Winstead, Bryce Mitchell, Danzel McKinley-Lewis and Jerjuan Newton. This is a talented, established wide receiver corps. Those other four had six catches for 64 yards.

    Hart played an aggressive, fundamentally sound game against the Rockets. His physicality in the run game (seven tackles, one tackle for loss and one pass breakup) was the first strong indicator that he is stepping up and beginning to flash the promise that has the coaching staff excited. After failing to get a pass breakup against Florida State, the Irish had five versus Toledo, including an important one by TaRiq Bracy.

    • There is so much to like about the game of Kevin Austin Jr. He plays longer than his 6-foot-2 listing. He’s a bigger receiver at 215 pounds, but he is elusive like a wideout that weighs much less. Austin is so elusive in short space. He’ll make the catch and have a defender on him. But his jab steps and wiggle create immediate space on a defender. Now the short space has been expanded, and when Austin has room to maneuver, he can turn a seven-yarder into a 19-yarder in a heartbeat.

    You don’t have to throw 20-yard passes to Austin to gain 20 yards. In two games he has eight receptions for 154 yards (19.2 average). He had the 37-yard score against Florida State and the clutch 34-yarder that set up the winning touchdown against Toledo. His ability to turn a four-yarder into a 14-yarder is what has him trending toward a complete wide receiver.

    Defensive backs must respect Austin’s ability to get upfield, which creates an automatic cushion. He comes off the snap with explosiveness, which puts defensive backs on their heels. When Austin catches a ball downfield like the one late against the Rockets, his length and ability to twist his body to make plays creates separation with the defensive back. He has all the makings of a great receiver.

    JD Bertrand is a missile. He’s instinctive, much like Drew White, but a bit longer (not much) and a better athlete. When you watch Bertrand play, he makes the same impression White did when he entered the starting lineup a couple of years ago. You know he’s well-versed in the opponent’s tendencies. His anticipation is outstanding.

    Bertrand followed up his 11-tackle starting debut against Florida State with another 11-tackle game versus Toledo. Of his 11 stops against the Rockets, 10 were solo. That tells you he’s dialed into the opponent’s tendencies. Sixteen of his 22 stops are solo.

    • Toledo did an excellent job of bracketing Michael Mayer after the opening series. Jack Coan’s desire/need to get him the football led to the pick-six. But Mayer persevered, finishing with seven catches (on 12 targets) for 81 yards and two scores, including the game-winner from 18 yards out with 1:09 remaining.

    Mayer found himself in a mismatch against talented Toledo linebacker Dyontae Johnson. When Johnson shaded Mayer to the outside, Mayer jab-stepped outside, set up the inside move, and Coan delivered it on target and on time.

    Kurt Hinish had a very impactful Toledo game from the nose tackle position. This is the quintessential example of how the stat sheet doesn’t always tell the full story. You have to go all the way to the bottom of the tackle totals to find Hinish with one assisted tackle. Nothing else.

    And yet Hinish played an impactful game against the Rockets, going head-to-head with seventh-year center Bryce Harris, who might have a future in the NFL. Hinish played a significant role in limiting elusive running back Bryant Koback to 63 yards on 20 carries.

    Of course, Koback had 21 carries on the day, one of which was a 67-yard run after the Irish had just taken an eight-point lead with 7:48 remaining. Hinish changed the point of attack when he was in there during his time-share with Howard Cross III, who was credited with a quarterback hurry.

    • Why hasn’t Rylie Mills played more? My question is how do you play him when Jayson Ademilola is playing as well as he is? They’re both defensive tackles. Ademilola has five stops in each of his first two games with one-and-a-half tackles for loss, half-a-sack, and a pass breakup. Ademilola’s activity is impressive. His will to fight is off the chart. He is extremely difficult to keep blocked. He is playing great football.

    Mills was in the game on the 67-yard run by Roback. The Irish were in a four-down look, but Toledo’s offensive line/tight end got to Drew White and JD Bertrand, squaring them up and eliminating them from the play. Mills did not aggressively get off his block. Ademilola likely would have. Once that happened and the linebackers were sealed off, Roback was off and running. Only the hustle of Cam Hart -- who actually was in the backfield when Koback launched -- and Isaiah Pryor prevented Koback from taking it the distance.

    Mills has a brilliant future. But he’s not playing as effectively as Ademilola.

    • The situation along the offensive line is not good right now. Blake Fisher and Michael Carmody are down. Fisher is out for seven more weeks and Carmody for an amount to be determined. Tosh Baker played left tackle the second half. That is one enormous dude. His sheer size on the edge as a pass blocker makes him difficult to navigate.

    But his mobility looks very limited, which is why he’s a better right tackle than left tackle and could spark the notion of flip-flopping him with Josh Lugg, who hasn’t been moving his feet like expected following a significant weight loss. It wouldn’t be a surprise if true freshman Joe Alt gets a crack this week. The coaching staff likes him that much.

    • Notre Dame’s offensive line is suffering from gap vulnerability. This is why the “but they have four-star offensive linemen throughout their roster!” argument is lame. It’s more than just physical ability. It’s the split-second decisions that must be made against hard-charging outside linebackers like Terrance Taylor (No. 56) that make it so difficult for young offensive linemen. Talent doesn’t play as significant of a role when the opponent is sending late-blitzing linebackers like Jonathan Jones. That’s when it becomes a recognition issue and only live snaps can fully teach that lesson.

    Toledo’s defensive line is better than Notre Dame’s offensive line right now, which is why Tommy Rees’ performance against the Rockets was so underrated.

    • It was good to see Avery Davis involved in the offense after zero targets against Florida State. Rees obviously wanted to get Davis involved from the outset. Coan threw to him on the first snap of the game and again in the second series. What would have been a sizeable gain to Davis midway through the second quarter was nullified by offsetting penalties with center Jarrett Patterson flagged for being downfield.

    It pays to have a veteran at the controls of a two-point conversion. Davis, the former quarterback, was supposed to throw to Jack Coan, but Coan was blanketed. Davis calmly turned his attention to the other side of the field and found a wide-open Kyren Williams for a three-point Irish lead.

    Davis had a modest three catches for 29 yards. His veteran presence and leadership are valuable to the offense.

    • The issue with Cain Madden is, as Irish Illustrated indicated in our initial film review, 1) his lack of lateral movement and 2) the inability to maintain leverage. When he can square a guy up, his strength plays. But when he has to move laterally to make a block, he doesn’t have the leverage and frame to win consistently. And frankly, there were times against Toledo’s big and talented defensive front that he was overwhelmed, even when he had them squared up.

    To be fair, Madden proved effective on one of Notre Dame’s best runs – an 11-yarder by Williams. He teamed with Lugg and Patterson on several successful Irish running plays. The size of Power 5-level defensive linemen will remain a challenge. Doubtful that freshman Rocco Spindler is a legitimate option now over a nearly-25-year-old Madden.

    • I’ll be interested to see what’s up with Kyle Hamilton’s left hand. He injured it on a second-half pass breakup and didn’t tackle nearly as effectively after that, including the 67-yard run by Koback. He should have been credited with his third interception in two games.

    • Jonathan Doerer’s 48-yard field goal early in the fourth quarter was massive. The Irish were trailing 16-14. They had been trailing 16-14 for 18:21, from 46 seconds left in the first half until 12:25 of the fourth quarter. It would have been deflating for the Irish and their crowd not to come away with a lead at that point. Doerer absolutely drilled it to give the Irish the lead, which would move to 24-16 just 1:28 later. Doerer’s earlier 55-yard attempt had the distance but drifted left.

    • Doerer has now converted 118 straight extra points. His only miss in an Irish uniform was his first against Navy in San Diego in 2018. No matter how easy an extra point looks, making 118 in a row is a tremendous accomplishment. It also says a lot about snapper Michael Vinson and holder Jay Bramblett.

    • It may not have been a full house in Notre Dame Stadium for several reasons. But it was loud. The rash of Rocket penalties late had much to do with the enthusiasm particularly generated by the Notre Dame student body. But Toledo is a penalty machine. They’ve had 23 in two games, and that doesn’t count those that have been declined…This was a much better performance for defensive end Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa. His two stops were sacks, including the game-ender that forced a fumble and was recovered by JD Bertrand. In addition to that, he had a four-yard sack of Carter Bradley in which MTA refused to allow tight end Jamal Turner to cross his face and made the stop for a four-yard loss…It’s good to see NaNa Osafo-Mensah getting playing time in his third year in the program. He made a tackle on a quick-out pass. But there was another time when he needed to come of a block to plug a gap and he was late to the party. He needs to be more consistent/explosive to continue to see extended action…

    • Has the rule changed on “indisputable evidence” on replays? I asked a long-time Power 5 official and he said no. But how do you explain the overruling of Kyle Hamilton’s interception that would have taken three points off the board for Toledo?...Credit to Marcus Freeman for finding a way to maximize Isaiah Pryor’s abilities. When Clark Lea moved Pryor from safety to Rover, it seemed promising and then he disappeared in the shadow of Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah. Then Jack Kiser appeared to win the job in August. But Pryor is impactful attacking the line of scrimmage. He showed impressive range on a swing pass to Bryant Koback…If Isaiah Foskey is rushing the passer from a pre-snap linebacker position, it’s just pursuing the quarterback from another entry point. That works too…

    Kyren Williams is doing the right thing by calling for fair catches. There has not been one that he should have returned but called a fair catch instead. That’s good patience. His time will come. He took a bit of a risk by diving forward for one punt against Toledo, but he made the play and perhaps saved a few yards…Justin Ademilola overwhelmed right tackle Lavel Dumont on his two-yard sack…Nice job by linebacker Bo Bauer circling around the rubble on the interior to pressure the quarterback and notch a pass breakup…Credit to Marcus Freeman and safeties coach Chris O’Leary for getting productivity out of Houston Griffith. But Griffith needs to react better if he’s going to play centerfield on that 67-yard pass. It was a clear read and Griffith hesitated in the middle of the field. If he’s going to play center field, he needs to do a better job of “reading the ball off the bat.”

    • On the 43-yard touchdown run by Kyren Williams, the right side of the line (Josh Lugg and Cain Madden) created the gap with center Jarrett Patterson out front to seal off the inside. Williams’ 16-yard brilliant screen pass conversion was a tremendous individual effort with help from Zeke Correll and Patterson. You hate to see Williams fumble with a chance to ice the game, but Desjuan Johnson is one strong dude yanking the football from his grasp…Braden Lenzy hasn’t had a huge impact, but he’s made positive contributions. He has four catches for 72 yards (18-yard average)…Really like the underneath receiver role for Joe Wilkins Jr. He just needs to be good in short space. His lack of speed/athleticism hurts him as a W…Freshman Deion Colzie took advantage of an eight-yard cushion and option-routed his way for a seven-yard gain on his first career reception…The refs missed a blatant offensive pass interference on Michael Mayer on 10-yard completion to Avery Davis.

    5COMMENTS
    • Rockets defensive coordinator Vince Kehres isn’t long for Toledo…I thought Drew Brees did a fine job in his first game as analyst for NBC’s broadcasts with Mike Tirico. He was insightful. He talked about Tommy Rees’ aggressiveness after Jack Coan’s pick-six with four vertical routes on the next snap. He pointed out the dilemma KJ Wallace faced in the criss-cross route that netted 67 yards. Brees also stepped out and declared Toledo’s offensive approach in the second half to be too conservative. For his sake with Notre Dame fans, Brees better not say one thing positive about Purdue and one negative thing about the Irish this weekend or he’ll be placed in the Doug Flutie category, which I never understood and never will…

    • Mike Bean has been a trainer at Notre Dame since 1990. He is a quiet, unassuming individual. In addition to his duties with the Irish for the last 31 years, Bean also created an effective brace that helps athletes with ankle sprains get back on the field sooner. We also now know he is adept at correcting dislocated quarterback fingers on the fly…As a former Notre Dame baseball player and long-time Notre Dame football follower, I’ve got to say God bless the Bertrands – JD and left-handed baseball ace John Michael. Is there a power forward in the family?
     
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  29. theregionsitter

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    2018 and 2019 OL classes being a giant dumpster fire really hurts:

    Patterson- home run
    Dirksen - reach prospect with no return
    Luke Jones- reach prospect transfer
    Cole Mabry- reach prospect transfer
    Zeke Correl - solid
    Quinn Carrol - so far looking like a 4yr transfer prospect
    Andrew Kristofic- 3rd team center- really thought he would be a stud

    That's just really bad evaluation and recruiting but looking back at the board for 2018 I mean not many guys seriously considered ND: Nicholas Petit Ferere was an Urban over Kelly special, Rasheed Walker never considered ND, Ryan Hayes is starting at Michigan. Any of those 3 would've been a big boost

    2019 is just a wtf since all three of those guys ND got were top 150 players, not really sure they "missed" on anyone at first glance vs who they offered.

    2020 Zak Zinter was a miss as well as Walker Parks

    They guy that was colossal fuck up that would honestly fix the ND line was Peter Skoronski. Good lord the fact he committed to Northwestern without visiting ND was appalling- if Skoronski was at ND they could line up something like: Skoronski, Fisher, Patterson, Zeke, Lugg (that's pretty damn solid)
     
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    Bothelo back on the depth chart
     
  32. NilesIrish

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    Further proof Driskell is a moron.
     
  33. Killy Me Please

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    We need someone on defense that isn't going to put up with some bullshit
     
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  34. beist

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    From Loy: Blake Fisher won't play but he did feel better yesterday. Reports are better than what they initially expected. Not going to throw him out there against George Karlaftis when not 100%.

    that seems promising.
     
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  35. nexus

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    honestly Blake on 1 leg still might not be as bad as Carmody’s bum ass
     
  36. laxjoe

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    Wild knowing that we are going to lose our first home game since Georgia and first game to an unranked team since 2016. It has been a hell of a run
     
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  37. theregionsitter

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    ehh think ND wins by 17, regular rest and more film time. Not gonna have -3 turnovers either- should be a juiced crowd as well

    advanced stats say ND should’ve beat Toledo by like 24
     
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  38. NilesIrish

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    If this happens I’ll be both confused and thrilled.
     
  39. mccar2cm

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  40. laxjoe

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    That would be fantastic. I just don’t trust the line at this point to feel even remotely confident. And our corners scare me every single play

    but like you said, the turnovers likely aren’t too repeat. And if the defense can prevent the big play, they’ve actually been good. It’s just those 7 big plays that have killed us
     
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  41. Red Rover

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    How does it go from 8 weeks to hinting he might be able to go after 2 weeks?
     
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  42. Beeds07

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    I’d tell you but that would be a HIPPA violation
     
  43. beist

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    actually i think BK might have been talking about Carmody and Loy just typed it wrong. But Carmody is on the depth chart so the "not going to play this week" doesn't seem to make sense.
     
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  44. laxjoe

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    that’s a HIPPA!
     
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  45. IrishLAX2

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    BK with a pretty telling answer as to how he and Rees discuss which quarterback to play from drive to drive. Kelly is making that decision every single time, which is a commentary on the autonomy (or lack thereof) that Kelly gives to his offensive coordinators.

    Make no mistake. It’s his offense. Always will be.
     
  46. 40wwttamgib

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    i cannot say this with enough emphasis ... fuck purdue
     
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  47. IrishLAX2

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    What’s as the story around Karlaftis’ recruitment?

    Top 60 player in the country from in-state. Took visits to Purdue and USC. Why was there never serious interest in ND? Apparently had an offer.
     
  48. Red Rover

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    He camped at ND and performed very poorly. He himself did not believe he could play for ND after that camp. The staff didn’t try much to convince him otherwise. Think he was a 3 star at the time

    After ND’s camp he went on to dominate some national camps and became a 5 star. His dad passed away I believe and all his family is in West Laf, so he wanted to stay home for them too
     
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  49. Dr. Richard Cranium

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    I'm no coach or anything, but I wonder between coaching and recruiting how much it all is reliant on a mobile QB threat. Do we have a bunch of guys that are good at getting horizontal/upfield to the second level - but are not suited to anchor and protect a statue. Similarly, are not going to just be road graters and blow people off the ball.

    Now, last year's line would not have this much trouble with Coan, but with a mobile QB would we just be talking about the growing pains we expected with an inexperienced line instead of disaster we are currently seeing?

    I mean when Buechner got in there we ran right down the field. He was able to get outside on the edge and kept the defense honest horizontally, with Coan they are just keying of on the back and strangling the run game
     
  50. Rise

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    If you believe loy, he came to camp saw the talent here and coming in and thought he would never play so committed to Purdue.