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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Thoros of Beer, Feb 3, 2016.
Purely speculation, but feels like a playing time thing to me
He couldn’t play safety and wasn’t big enough for LB
DBs transferring early is so dumb, that position group matters to get old and mold your body.
F need 3 more DBs now in this recruiting class
Hamilton is already getting reps with the 1s in nickel and dime, so it’s pretty obvious he’ll be making a major impact immediately.
He wasn’t adjusting well to the system or college game. This is purely Hamilton being awesome but sucks to see, honestly.
He has had bust written all over him since last fall. Not a single positive update on him during his entire time here. The Georgia guys called it before he signed too.
Shedding dead weight is better than not shedding dead weight. Just one more scholarship to throw at the next class.
Even with Hamilton, that puts us at 3 safeties that we feel comfortable about. He was going to get playing time almost by default.
Check the comments. Ademiola dad going after Sampson.
Driskell basically saying this transfer isn’t about ability. Him and the coaching staff didn’t get along.
IIRC He committed to Elko and Elko was the major reason he signed
Playing time or off the field issues. There really aren’t that many transfers that don’t fall into one of those two categories.
Not to be a Pete defender, but his statement is correct that appears Allen was improperly rated by recruiting services. He's not knocking the kid. The dad's a little off with the whole "none of you guys played the game" platitude.
Right, a top 20 player finds the field regardless of circumstances. Pete didn't call him a bust, he said the rating was off.
You are right but I bet when you know the kid these types of little comments sting a little more. Parents should stay off Twitter, doesn’t make anybody any good.
And he might turn out to be a pretty good player, it just didn’t workout. I see no way sampson’s comment was going to do any good here. Why even make the comparison? Also no reason to tweet something like that towards a former player. It just looks bad
The more I think about it the more it sucks losing Allen, Elliott turned it around and became a great player after some early struggles. Same with Harrison Smith, I think the kid is making a mistake unless the staff had no hope for him
The thing is, he is stuck behind players younger than him
Smith was a product of bad coaching forcing him to lb, but I get the point. But like Wicket said, he's been passed already by freshman, right? So it is what it is. I never want anyone to leave ND and not fulfill that dream, but sometimes it's better for the player and he needs to take care of himself and put himself in the best position to succeed.
Yeah , I get it. And he doesn’t seem to fit the speed défense Nd seems to be trying to put together.
DBs need 3 years
This is bad transfer, the secondary in 20 is gonna be very thin
Agreed, especially with the recruiting struggles. This is an issue. They need to pull a rabbit out because this is not ideal at all.
It should not impact this season too much but after that ....doesn’t look very good, there is time though
Fucking Trevor Lawrence is on the schedule in 2020
Damnit DB recruiting get better
Lyght has been suspect for a while but other than Kyle Hamilton, Joseph hasn’t been much better. This class is really bad
Yeah, Nd needs more success recruiting but also getting good players in the nfl. It’s tough to go against osu right now, they pump dbs in the first round every year. But i hate to say it, might be time for a change. I loved autry denson for his player development too but at this level you need to be a great coach AND a great recruiter.
Unless we are fine with 9-12 wins a year
I am generally fine with 12 wins a year in the regular season
That was my point, if you are fine with winning 12 games every 5-6 years and getting blown out in the thirteenth game then let’s keep on going
Nd is so fucking close, and frankly I heard that a ton of times especially from mike frank but now Nd is really really close. Needs to stop fucking around, 3 stars at corner after last season is not acceptable. Kids transfering before their soph year is not acceptable.
Just an opinion, feel free to kill me
Sucks because it seemed he was so pro ND with dad and was trying to be a stud. I was concerned when I saw him play in AA bowl. In practices he just had a hard time covering people. Usually that doesn't mean everything but he just didnt look to be on the same athletic quick twitch level as many of the guys at S or WR in comparison
I can't speak for everyone but I would prefer to go undefeated every year and win the title
A drunk Canadian listening to Mike Frank
To be fair I was saying he was always wrong, but now I feel Nd is really close.
Nevermind guy, not sure you can grasp my point here
I get the point but transfers happen - to close the gap we need to sustain success and use it to capitalize on recruiting - we saw some of it in this class need to win 10 games again this year and 2021 will be special.
GUYS DO NOT LISTEN TO POWER HOUR fuck that show
Did not understand at all i am dum my b
In this case, I give you permission to speak for me.
That is not great. We did land Gilman though so that’s nice.
Including a qb for the first time under kelly
And he had a forced fumble today as well. Kid is decent
Not good that this is the first QB captain under Kelly. Teams that win typically all have a QB that is the face of the team. Seems like such a crap shoot these days to get an elite QB or even a 5 star that won’t transfer.
Good for Book.
Gotcha, good point. I am pretty confident he won’t regress. Not sure he can be a lot better than last year but I don’t think he will take a step back.
Books cocky little ass is winning the Heisman #Bookit
The way Tim, Tim, and Pete have put it in the past is that being the QB at ND presents its own unique challenges and that stacking captains duties on top of that is a big ask.
Notre Dame, Ind. — The sixth training camp practice of 2019 offered a glimpse inside Notre Dame’s recently completed indoor facility. The the media outside in the LaBar Practice Complex bleachers, the offense operated its standard ‘Tempo’ Drill indoors and as such, there’s no clear delineation between second and third string participants in today.
The first two offensive units during ensuing scrimmage action were as follows:
1st Offensive Line (Left-to-Right): Liam Eichenberg, Aaron Banks Jarrett Patterson, Tommy Kraemer, Robert Hainsey.
2nd Offensive Line: Josh Lugg, Trevor Ruhland, Colin Grunhard, John Dirksen, Andrew Kristofic and Cole Mabry in rotation. (Kristofic was first today).
We stated Thursday exiting Culver that Jeff Quinn’s offensive line won the day over Notre Dame’s defensive front—that despite an MVP effort from Shark End Julian Okwara.
Today, the first practice since, the defensive line extracted a measure of revenge as the more physical, productive, and—at least during Nickel and Dime sets—unblockable when unleashing blitzes from the Nickel (slot) and safety positions.
Offensive Line Notes:
Tommy Kraemer with a solid block against Jayson Ademilola (who had a good day) to spring Ian Book on a zone-read keeper…
Chip Long to Jarrett Patterson following a high-snap: ‘You’re killing us Jarrett!”…
Trevor Ruhland stalemates Jacob Lacey, a win on the play considering Tony Jones took six yards through that gap…
Quality seal away from the boundary side by Patterson against Kurt Hinish. Another instance in which it appeared Hinish penetrated but Patterson allowed it and then took him away from the play side…
Newly minted captain Robert Hainsey secured Ade Ogundeji, then hit a second level block against Rover Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah in space. Not huge contact with the latter but he executed…
Colin Grunhard wins against Ja’Mion Franklin…
Kraemer allows inside pressure off the snap from Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa during red zone scrimmage drills. MTA blows up the play…
Kraemer secures MTA on an inside zone run by Tony Jones…
Liam Eichenberg and the rest of the right side involved in a legitimate dust-up at one point. Hard to see how that started but it was the closest to an actual fight we’ve seen in recent camp or spring viewings.
Considering our first of three practice viewings on Aug. 3 did not include pads, our sample size is a touch small, but today was the first in which the defensive line noticeably imposed its will on the offensive front.
SPECIAL TEAMS NOTES
Field Goal Unit front line: Ade Ogundeji, Josh Lugg, Liam Eichenberg, Aaron Banks, LS John Shannon, then walk-on Michael Vinson, Tommy Kraemer, Robert Hainsey, John Dirksen, Brock Wright, with quarterback Nolan Henry holding for both Jonathan Doerer and Harrison Leonard.
The bulk of today’s kicks were extra points and 28-yard field goals as ST coordinator Brian Polianworked on assignments and adjustments within the unit. On those kicks—and from our angle to the side of the goal posts—neither Doerer nor Leonard missed an extra point while it appeared Doerer missed his last 28-yard offering.
That’s about as unofficial as unofficial gets considering our angle and the lack of officials present.
Punting: Jay Bramblett authored another solid performance. Punting (live with a rush) in a drill meant to produce hang time rather than distance, (there were offensive line drills being conducted inside the 20-yard line in the direction he was punting), the true freshman booted punts of *45, 34, 41, 36, *47, *33, 33, *37, and 44 yards. (Asterisk denote notable hang time.)
His second and last punt were not commensurate with the quality of the others. Bramblett also executed a quality rugby style punt on one occasion.
Returners were Chris Finke, Lawrence Keys, and Joe Wilkins, in that order.
RECEIVERS AND TIGHT ENDS
Michael Young continues to impress though he failed to extend for a crossing route (thrown too far in front by Ian Book—he would not have caught it) in traffic. It’s notable in that Brian Kelly told Young he had to finish the play, offering that it indeed wasn’t a good throw, but that’s out of Young’s control.
In an 11-on-11 full tackle segment, Young went down to the turf to secure an 18-yard corner route from Jurkovec, one of the quarterback’s best throws of the day: low and outside with quality coverage by TaRiq Bracy barely trailing Young. He also make Donte Vaughn miss in short space in the full tackle segment to gain an extra eight yards. (Vaughn was partially the victim of going for the pass breakup rather than the tackle and was likely off-balance.)
Question to ask wide receivers coach Del Alexander: the approximate number of receptions Chris Finke makes each practice (1-on-1, 7-on-7, 11-on-11). Because it leads the squad by a wide margin. Finke hauled in a perfect 10-yard corner route touchdown despite tight coverage by Jalen Elliott. Finke was shaken up on the play but offered in post-practice interviews he had the wind knocked out of him.
Senior Chase Claypool continues to attack the football in the air with reckless abandon. He often rises slowly after crashing to the turf…usually with the football. A far easier catch by Claypool vs. the undersized K.J. Wallace for a fade route score. Claypool then showed the ball to Wallace (taunted) who took umbrage, and the rookie didn’t back down. (He didn’t say ‘fudge’ or ‘stuff,’ either, in his retort.) Alexander sent Claypool to the sidelines thereafter.
Claypool made a leaping near-360 spinning catch today. It was against air. It was still incredible.
After failing to separate from TaRiq Bracy on his initial go-route, Braden Lenzy first bobbled, then secured a deep post touchdown throw from Phil Jurkovec. Lenzy separated by about six yards (not sure of the defender) but it’s worth noting Jurkovec would’ve been sacked on the play in a real game (or thrown it away). Lenzy appeared (couldn’t tell) to secure a sideline catch while tapping his toes, suffering a dislocated finger on the play. (He announced it ‘popped out’).
After treatment, he returned. (Dropped a pass, but that’s probably acceptable until he learns to deal with the pain.)
Javon McKinley isn’t impressive downfield (doesn’t separate) but he’s been a productive receiver among the second unit. This is the first time I could see I McKinley serving as the #2 W receiver in Kevin Austin’s absence instead of redshirt-freshman Joe Wilkins—who I really liked entering camp and has been solid if unspectacular (Wilkins reps at both W and X.)
McKinley is beginning to take advantage of his frame rather than merely having a larger frame. Or better put: he’s making competitive catches on mid-range throws.
Lawrence Keys is rounding into form of late. He’s a handful to cover in in both scrimmage and 1-on-1s and is the best bet to lead the sophomore class in catches this season. Keys beat Avery Davis to the corner on a beautiful 10-yard touchdown throw by Phil Jurkovec.
Aside from once incurring the wrath of Chip Long for failing to line up on the correct side of the formation, tight end Tommy Tremble impressed, once coming across scrimmage to block Julian Okwara on a zone read (stalemate, which is a huge win for the offense in that matchup). Tremble executed consecutive blocks on the move but I missed the defender on the other.
It was ‘business as usual’ without Cole Kmet as the Irish employed just as many two tight end sets as we had seen prior. Brock Wright noted for two quality blocks, once in 11-on-11 to allow Jafar Armstrong space, later in 10-yard line (11-on-11, no tackle) to spring Armstrong for the ‘score.’
Didn’t see Kendall Abdur-Rahman take passing game reps today though I wasn’t looking for him as much now that we’ve settled into camp. Cam Hart scored on a corner route vs. Isaiah Rutherford on a pretty throw from Jurkovec. Hart carries himself with confidence as a freshman—at least against the 3s and less-experienced 2s.
Continue to be impressed by the physical nature of the Irish backfield. I again took note of freshman Kyren Williams. (Against the 2s, mind you). A leaping catch on the sidelines (against air)…a slant from Jurkovec against the Irish Dime defense…low center of gravity on his inside runs. He’ll be a player one day.
— First impressive, then sidelined: Jahmir Smith bursts through the hole downfield and finishes his run with authority—only to have Kyle Hamilton put his helmet on the football and force a fumble. The miscue resulted in a lap by Smith and, that I can recall, not another carry.
Smith still sports a solid cast on his left wrist. This time it was in play for ball security issues.
— C’Bo Flemister earned his fair share of two-back, second unit reps today. One sign he’s behind his position-mates as a pass-catcher: when Ian Book missed him on a 7-on-Air rep, Chip Long wanted Flemister to run it again to get the chance to catch the ball. (Book drilled it in as Flemister fought to keep it away from his body on the catch.)
— Not a great day overall by the offense, so I don’t have a lot for you regarding Jafar Armstrong and Tony Jones, but the former made more plays, including taking Kyle Hamilton to the corner in 1-on-1 and scoring a touchdown in 7-on-7 though that was a coverage bust on a crossing route.
Not a great day for Ian Book. Not a bad day, but not a ‘Wow, look at that All-American candidate!’ By any stretch.
Phil Jurkovec had his moments as a passer. Operation is noticeably slower than when Book is at the helm. I think he just needs to see more live 11-on-11 action, too. That might explain bullet #3…
Less work than we have seen previously for Brendon Clark
— Book threw an ill-advised interception to Chris Finke on either a slant or skinny post (Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah with a really nice play in coverage). TaRiq Bracy picked him off as well on a late, across the hash out route. A third interception occurred when Drew White tipped a pass that seemed a touch behind Brock Wright (bad angle for me as Wright was crossing to my side) that landed in Jalen Elliott’s hands.
— On a positive note, Book’s zip and ball placement on short throws is remarkable, the best example an out route to Finke who was able to beat close coverage only because Book put the ball ON THE MONEY as Finke made his out-cut. It was near the sideline and Finke didn’t need to break stride at all to secure the catch and immediately turn up field.
— He rolled left to place a gorgeous TD pass to Chase Claypool over Bracy, then followed with a slant touchdown to McKinley.
— Jurkovec was intercepted once but it was a diving pick by Kyle Hamilton (pass was thrown behind the target, Kyren Williams). The redshirt-freshman dropped a beautiful corner route touchdown into the waiting arms of Keys and also, in my estimation, tossed a go route into the perfect location to a sprinting Javon McKinley down the right sideline…McKinley just doesn’t have the speed necessary to go get it. Any shorter and it’s picked off/broken up.
Rarity today: one bad deep throw down the post to an open Braden Lenzy.
As noted in the receivers section, Jurkovec threw one very pretty corner route to Young where only the receiver could make a play.
It was a day of evening the score for Notre Dame’s defensive front, which struggled in the last practice at Culver Academies Thursday. On Saturday, beginning with the first 11-on-11 segment, interior defensive linemen Kurt Hinish, Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa, Jayson Ademilola and Jacob Laceyproved much more stout.
The tone was set during position-by-position work as defensive line coach Mike Elston ramped up the energy level and challenged his troops to show improvement as they slammed into the individual blocking sled.
Hinish served as the motivator for the defensive line, encouraging them to maintain a fast tempo. When the defensive line joined the rest of the team in 11-on-11, it was clear that the practice from two days earlier served as motivation.
At one point during the first 11-on-11, defensive end Khalid Kareem made back-to-back stops at or slightly behind the line of scrimmage. When Lacey made a stop, Elston ran after him and said. “What a bad-ass play!” It was that kind of bounce-back day for the defensive line.
Late in the practice, Elston experimented with a pass-rush unit of Kareem and Julian Okwara at end, and Daelin Hayes – an end by trade – on the inside with Tagovailoa-Amosa. Other pass-rush lines featured Ade Ogundeji and freshman Isaiah Foskey at end with Jamir Jones and Jayson Ademilolainside. A third quartet had Foskey and Jones at end and Ogundeji and Jayson Ademilola at tackle.
This was a much-needed practice performance by Elston’s defensive line.
Brian Kelly downplayed it when asked about it, but fifth-year senior Asmar Bilal has – at least in the last two practices observed by the media – served as the starting Mike when paired with Buck linebacker Jack Lamb, and the starting Buck when Drew White worked with the first unit at Mike linebacker.
With an opportunity to stand near the linebackers during early positional drills, it’s clear that White has bulked up at 230 pounds. It’s unfortunate that he stands just under 6-foot-1, but there’s a level of physicality, play-making ability, and the ability to find/be around the football possessed by White. Brian Kelly said White helps free up Notre Dame’s interior defensive linemen to make plays. He’s at least trending toward possessing a share of the Mike linebacker duties.
Irish Illustrated (I) said after the first day in Culver that Lamb would not relinquish the starting Buck linebacker job. Irish Illustrated (again, I) was wrong, although the statement was made with the thought that Bilal would remain at Mike.
It’s really a nice three-man rotation that plays to the strengths of White and Lamb. White is at his best in the box, although he still flashes the high-level foot speed that stood out on his high school film. In fact, White tipped a pass that safety Jalen Elliott intercepted. Lamb remains the passing-down/third-down specialist.
Bo Bauer clearly is the prototypical Mike linebacker with Shayne Simon getting some work at Buck. Junior Jordan Genmark Heath still looks to be struggling to make much headway. He just has not made plays that have stood out. Freshman J.D. Bertrand didn’t get many opportunities in live situations at the Mike, but he remains a promising prospect.
Let me say this, too, about Rover Owusu-Koramoah. No. 1, he’s not too small to play Rover at 216 pounds. In fact, forget that he’s 216 pounds. He’s plenty big enough, strong enough and quick enough to be an effective Rover. In fact, he’s showing – as he did the last few weeks of spring – that he has all the proper ingredients for Rover.
Owusu-Koramoah made a tremendous interception of a slant pass in the end zone from Ian Book to Chris Finke. It’s a ball that Book likely shouldn’t thrown, but mark my words. You will see Owusu-Koramoah jump a slant route early in the season for an interception because opposing quarterbacks will not expect his ability to close ground with such quickness.
It was a boundary day for cornerback Troy Pride Jr., which means not much action for Donte Vaughn(not sure if there was a physical reason for it) with sophomore TaRiq Bracy getting the vast majority of the No. 1 reps at field cornerback.
Pride flashed on a beautiful pass breakup of a Book-to-Tommy Tremble toss. He also forced an incompletion when he broke up a pass to his practice nemesis/competitor Chase Claypool.
Bracy had more opportunities to flash and flash he did. He made a notable pass breakup on a toss intended for Joe Wilkins. Bracy absolutely blanketed the speedy Braden Lenzy on a deep sideline throw to Phil Jurkovec. (It was such a good play against such a fast receiver that it warranted a double ** on the notepad.) Bracy also stepped in front of a Book pass for a pick.
Credit to little freshman cornerback K.J. Wallace for challenging veteran wide receiver Chase Claypool. Claypool had the last laugh and showed Wallace the football in his grasp for a touchdown. But that didn’t stop Wallace from verbally defending himself.
When Claypool and Wallace lined up against each other once again, a skirmish broke out. Wallace limped off the field favoring his left knee. But a few plays later, Wallace was back in there.
The safety tandem of Alohi Gilman and Jalen Elliott continues to set the tone for the defense on the back end.
Working at safety in addition to nickel back was fifth-year senior Shaun Crawford. The dual roll is especially necessary now with the departure of red-shirt freshman Derrik Allen. At one point, Crawford played nickel with cornerbacks Pride and Bracy and safeties Elliott and Gilman. Notre Dame continues to measure just how many reps Crawford gets in a practice. Keep him healthy and get him into game situations and the Irish have a weapon like they did in 2017.
Kyle Hamilton. Kyle Hamilton. Kyle Hamilton. Kyle Hamilton. Kyle Hamilton. That’s one for each of the five interceptions he’s made in the three open practices to the media. He had three on the first day in Culver last Sunday. He had another interception Thursday when the media returned to the Culver Academies. This one might have been the best of his five as Phil Jurkovec tried to throw a pass in the flat to Kyren Williams.
Much like Owusu-Koramoah swooped in and stole a pass in front of Chris Finke in the end zone, Hamilton’s tremendous length and break on the football allowed him to come up with the diving interception in 11-on-11 during the final 45 minutes of Saturday’s practice.
Earlier, Hamilton squared up running back Jahmir Smith and popped the football loose. (To be fair to Smith, who fumbled for the second time in two open practices, he’s playing with a broken hand. Offensive lineman Josh Lugg hustled to trail the play and grab the fumble in mid-air.)
Other notable plays made by Irish defensive backs…an incompletion in the end zone on a Book-to-Kyren Williams corner throw with Hamilton in coverage…Elliott on an end-zone pass from Book-to-Finke…A pass broken up by Temitope Agoro on a Jurkovec-to-Cam Hart pass into the end zone.
One very negative play was a blown coverage by what looked to be cornerback Avery Davis on a Jurkovec-to-Lawrence Keys III touchdown connection.
Safety D.J. Brown and cornerback Houston Griffith remained sidelined with injuries. Brown spent the majority of the day on the sideline doing upper-body work with his right knee wrapped.
On placekicks, this was the nine-man front wall from right-to-left: Brock Wright, John Dirksen, Liam Eichenberg, Tommy Kraemer, walk-on snapper Michael Vinson, Aaron Banks, Robert Hainsey, Josh Lugg and – the lone defensive player – Ade Ogundeji. Walk-on quarterback Nolan Henry was the holder.
sounds like we might have a new placekicker in Leonard