*Now the Official Jobs Thread* by popular demand

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Jax Teller, Oct 18, 2011.

  1. TheGrifter

    TheGrifter It's a trick. Get an axe.

    Obviously do whatever you think is going to make you the happiest in and outside the office.

    If you decide to stay I'd advise you to inform the new company about the counter and see what they say before telling them you're out. They may have enough money in the budget for the role to make an increase in the offer.
     
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  2. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! Creator of the 'Official Dads of TMB' thread.
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    If you decide to leave, can you put in a word for me?
     
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  3. PCH

    PCH 2017 & 2019 National Champions - Clemson Tigers
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    I get to work at 9:30, go to lunch from 11:30-1:30 and leave at 4:30.



    As long as it's not Jan, Feb , Apr, Jul, or Sep.
     
  4. PCH

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    CUgator another option is to accept the counter offer and then keep looking for a new job.


    Instead of searching for a new job with a current compensation at $50k, you'll be searching with a current comp of $70k. And the new company will beat that by 10%.
     
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  5. Name P. Redacted

    Name P. Redacted I have no money and I'm also gay
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    I would leave, but doubling your salary is pretty damn tempting.
     
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  6. Shawn Hunter

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    You will regret staying at a place you don't like the direction it is going in. I didn't like the direction the athletic department was heading at the college I used to work for. I stuck around for far too long. Then they fucked me.

    Unless you really need the bigger pay check, leave. That's what I did, and other than the people I liked, there's not much I miss about that job.
     
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  7. Boo MFer!

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    Don’t do this.
     
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  8. PCH

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    Why not?
     
  9. Boo MFer!

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    It’s a way to completely burn a bridge with an employer he seems to have a good relationship with. I’m not saying he has to stay forever, but it’s poor form to leverage that increase immediately.
     
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  10. Baron

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    My boss has almost literally put me over the edge for good. Had to bite my tongue in a meeting today or I may have said some words that would have had me walking out the door (can’t have that). I thought I could hang on after missing out on another opportunity outside the organization, but now I’m just on an application spree. Submitted my 3rd application in a week and reached out to a former colleague about another opportunity at a different place than we both worked together at.
     
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  11. CUgator

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    My biggest issue is location. If I was in a real city (4 major sports franchises + Seattle) where every player in my industry was and not Tampa (shout out Tampa homer Boo MFer!), I’d take the money without giving it a second thought because if I burned a bridge at one there would be 4-5 others. However, if I burn this bridge I’d be fucked down the road. Granted, at that time ideally I’d be interviewing for higher level positions, but still.
     
  12. dukebuckeye

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    90% of Recruiters are bad.

    It’s an easy field of entry and there’s an uncapped amount of money to be made. Way too many people try it that shouldn’t, thus the reason for so many bad ones.

    You can usually tell the quality of a recruiter by the number of different companies they’ve worked for in the last 5 years or so. The good ones won’t leave. The bad ones will have multiple 8-14 month stints, where they are there long enough to be asked to leave.
     
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  13. Shawn Hunter

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    I sort of had the same thing happen a few weeks ago. Got contacted for an on-site interview at a local business by a recruiter for Indeed.com. Day of, Indeed recruiter calls me and says the CEO has fallen ill and they will be postponing the interview. Fair enough I thought, I'd barely had any time to prepare anyways so it kind of worked out for me to postpone it. Two weeks go by, I hear nothing. Email the recruiter, she says the CEO is still sick and they have put the hiring process on hold. Another two weeks go by, contact the recruiter, she says they are eliminating the position that I applied for and restructuring it into an entry-level social media position or some shit that they just posted the day before. So I ask for a link to the job posting because I couldn't find anything posted within the last week for that company. That restructured job had been posted over a month ago and I had already applied for it. Found some reviews for the employer after the fact that talked about how people have problems getting paid by the company and a whole bunch of other bad crap. Pretty sure it was all a scam, not quite sure what they were trying to gain out of it though.
     
  14. PCH

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    dukebuckeye what makes a successful recruiter? Seems like it'd be really easy if you make and keep relationships with people on a good career trajectory.
     
  15. dukebuckeye

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    It’s definitely not easy. The turnover rate is insanely high. Most Private Firms pay a small salary and aggressive commissions. The salaries are typically so small that if you’re not billing consistently by month six, you’re going to go broke or be fired or both.

    To answer your question- what makes a successful Recruiter? That’s a loaded answer, but getting a good client is tough. I’d speculate I have 3-5 clients per year that give me repeat business and I’m prospecting thousands of them annually.

    There are plenty of companies that are shitty hirers themselves and will allow you to “work” their opening, but they won’t have a sense of urgency to hire or their expectations won’t align with what they can get.

    Being able to have the balls to find those 3-5 good clients a year is probably the biggest thing.

    Next would be being competent in the industry you focus in. In my case, Life Sciences Quality, Regualtory, and Engineering. You need to be able to speak their language to build credibility and understand what you’re recruiting for.

    Being an efficient middle man is another thing. Trying to get both parties all of the information to make informed decisions and then working to make sure each side feels like they win in the end.

    There’s a ton of other shit that goes into it. The top guys make insane money because it’s not easy.

    The bad ones suck and don’t make shit. That’s the 90% of Recruiters.
     
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  16. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! Creator of the 'Official Dads of TMB' thread.
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    I know so many people who couldn’t get a job out of college and ended up recruiting at Kforce.
     
  17. dukebuckeye

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    Yep. All you need is a degree to get into Recruiting.

    You can make the money of lawyer or doctor or pro ball player, but only need a Bachelors to get into the field.
     
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  18. Bo Pelinis

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    My buddy is a recruiter after being successful in a different sales field and makes a bunch of dough even though he fishes and plays a lot of fortnite. But he’s good at his job and got the respect of people in an industry.
     
  19. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! Creator of the 'Official Dads of TMB' thread.
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    We get it, Bo, you have friends. Congrats.
     
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  20. Bo Pelinis

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    At least one!
     
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  21. dukebuckeye

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    And another over here, pal :)
     
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  22. skiedfrillet

    skiedfrillet It's not a lie if you believe it.
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    How are you guys prospecting if you’re recruiters? Are you waiting on people to come to you? Idk how you’d “cold call” new recruits bc I don’t know dick about that field
     
  23. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! Creator of the 'Official Dads of TMB' thread.
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    This is the type of camaraderie I pay for here on The-Mainboard(dot)com.
     
  24. Lyrtch

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    the ratio of bad recruiters seems so high, like absolutely dog shit how do you have a job types. I'm including in-house recruiters too.

    but a good recruiter does make the process a lot easier
     
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  25. TheGrifter

    TheGrifter It's a trick. Get an axe.

    Honestly, it's pretty easy to spot the bad firms/recruiters. If they don't have a specialty (mine is manufacturing, while dukebuckeye is life sciences), then they are not good. 100% of the time. If you don't have the market expertise to know what type of candidates a client is really going to want to hire, then you are just throwing shit at the wall when you're sending over someone. If you're talking to a recruiter, ask them where their market expertise lies. If they cannot answer the question, then talking to them is probably a waste of your time.

    In house recruiters are also typically not very good at their jobs. I work with in house recruiters every day. I shouldn't. If they are good at finding talent, then their employer shouldn't have to use me. Look at it this way. In house recruiters have a base salary and typically a bonus goal, but it is capped at a certain level. If they are great recruiters, why would they leave third party recruiting (where I have a decent base and uncapped commissions) for a position which is going to put a ceiling on my earning potential? Bad recruiters become in house recruiters, and their company ends up using firms like mine.
     
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  26. dukebuckeye

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    I can only speak for myself, but no, I don’t wait for people to come to me. We use traditional venues such as LinkedIn and ZoomInfo, but I’m also a member of numerous professional organizations related to my field that allow me to network that way as well. Then, like anything else, word of mouth.

    Cold calling is cold calling. If we’ve never spoke before, but you’re background looks like a relevant fit for what I’m working on, I’ll call you and go from there.
     
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  27. dukebuckeye

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    Yeah, Corporate Recruiter is “safer”. You get a higher base and limited bonus. There are some good Corporate Recruiters out there though that just can’t handle 25+ open reqs in a variety of departments, so that’s when they’ll retain us.
     
  28. PCH

    PCH 2017 & 2019 National Champions - Clemson Tigers
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    I get calls at my desk from time to time.


    They'll see my LinkedIn and be 'blown away' and call my company and go thru the directory.
     
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  29. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! Creator of the 'Official Dads of TMB' thread.
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    :yousoricky:
     
  30. dukebuckeye

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    Yep. Ideally, I’d have a cell number, but if I can’t find anything else, I’ll call your work phone and either talk there or schedule a better time and number to speak at.
     
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  31. PCH

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    Ahhhhh.



    Well coffees for closers?
     
  32. Name P. Redacted

    Name P. Redacted I have no money and I'm also gay
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    Speaking of recruiters, here is today's unsolicited LinkedIn pitch

    <Redacted>,

    I figured you would definitely keep an open ear to this unique opportunity..

    This ground-breaking manufacturer is in the process of revolutionizing the commercial and industrial building industry with their innovative technology that reduces energy usage by over 50%. They are seeking a Technical Controls leader who can integrate their controls with existing units including troubleshooting various systems covering the Northern Seattle area. This holds a strong compensation package including great perks.

    Responsibilities:
    • integrate BAS controls around existing systems
    • assist in generating various electrical and mechanical drawings for installation
    • assist in troubleshooting systems and control circuits

    Requirements:
    • Experience around building automation (Tridium, Lon, BacNet etc..)
    • Must understand drawings and wiring schematics
    • Strong communications skills
    • Willingness to travel up to 25% when needed

    If this sounds intriguing please forward your resume to me ASAP as they are looking to fill this position immediately. Either way i'll be reaching out to you this week, please let me know the best number to speak to you on.

    Cheers,

    <Redacted>
    Executive Recruiter - Packaging and Food Processing at <Redacted>
     
  33. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! Creator of the 'Official Dads of TMB' thread.
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    I left a VP job at a Fortune50 company at the end of September. A few weeks later, a recruiter contacted me...about the job I just left. Fast forward to a few weeks ago. The person who was my replacement also left, and a recruiter (different one this time) reaches out about the job. It’s like these assholes can’t read LinkedIn.
     
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  34. dukebuckeye

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    Lol. If there weren’t so many retards in my field, I probably wouldn’t be as in demand as I am.
     
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  35. Goose

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    I had an intern a few positions ago. 2/3 ended up getting hired on full-time and the third went to work for a fortune 100 company. 1 of them that got hired on just got promoted to my current level. I’m a proud father.

    That doesn’t prove anything but I think i could be a decent recruiter in my field with a little training
     
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  36. dukebuckeye

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    Come give it a shot, babe. I’ll get ya an interview. Can make 5x whatever you’re making today :)
     
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  37. Name P. Redacted

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    I feel like the skillset between headhunting and picking good candidates from an interview is pretty different.
     
  38. Lyrtch

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    I get told I should become a medical sales rep or recruiter so often I feel like I should be offended by now.
     
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  39. Goose

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    Well sounds like they should just go ahead and make me VP of project management and call it a day then
     
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  40. Goose

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    Now this is a sales pitch!
     
  41. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! Creator of the 'Official Dads of TMB' thread.
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    Your face is a sales pitch. And I mean that in the best way possible. :blush:
     
  42. CUgator

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    Officially resigned. Passing up the huge pay raise for the better long term opportunity. Still getting a solid pay increase and better equity than I had with my current employer.
     
  43. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! Creator of the 'Official Dads of TMB' thread.
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    I think this is the right move. Also, please DM me the contact info for your old boss. Thx.
     
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  44. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! Creator of the 'Official Dads of TMB' thread.
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    CUgator, one thing we didn’t discuss was your commute. How does the new commute compare to your current? That F50 job I left had the worst commute of my career and it made a job I hated that much worse.

    Follow-up question for the good the group, how would the current commute be from my home in Westchase?
     
  45. CUgator

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    Going from the outskirts of downtown to harbor island and commuting from the 'wood. Equally shitty.
     
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  46. TheGrifter

    TheGrifter It's a trick. Get an axe.

    Probably the best decision.

    93% of employees who accept counteroffers are no longer with that employer in 18 months.
     
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  47. Boo MFer!

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    At least you can probably park there for Bolts games!
     
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  48. dukebuckeye

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    69% of statistics are made up :)
     
  49. Boo MFer!

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    Nice.
     
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  50. Baron

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    For those of us that don't live in Florida, how long a commute are we talking?