*Now the Official Jobs Thread* by popular demand

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  1. CoastalOrange

    CoastalOrange Well-Known Member
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    I've never heard of ZoomInfo or True People Finder.
     
  2. Boo MFer!

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    Is True People Finder anything like Adult Friend Finder? Asking for a friend in the recruiting industry.
     
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  3. dukebuckeye

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    ZoomInfo is the best.

    They are both services you have to pay for. ZI for sure. Not sure about TPF.
     
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  4. CoastalOrange

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    I will have to remember this the next time I make a jump. Thanks! :beerchug:
     
  5. Tiger Tiger Woods Y'all

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    I think he means resources for recruiters?
     
  6. CoastalOrange

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    :tebow:
     
  7. Nandor the Relentless

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    And the team I'm writing for just beat the #3 team in the country today :smug:
     
  8. Name P. Redacted

    Name P. Redacted I have no money and I'm also gay
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    Hopefully your articles are better than your posts
     
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  9. racer

    racer Fuck Tucker, Tucker sucks.
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    Talk to me when avp calls.
     
  10. Handcuffed

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    has anyone had to take a personality or cognitive test for a screening by an employee? seeking info on the Omnia test specifically
     
  11. Pasta88

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    I had to. I can’t remember the specific one I took but I remember google providing some insight.

    The most important thing for the personality test is to make sure your answers are consistent. The same question, worded differently, will appear multiple times.

    The cognitive test wasn’t too bad but it’s helpful to find a practice one to take beforehand.
     
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  12. Oranjello

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    Company that BFF has always wanted to work for reached out to her unexpectedly, she interviewed, and they made her an offer. Of course, it's slightly less than she is currently making.

    When a person is a few years into their career, isn't it expected that they are going to negotiate salary? Everyone is intimidated at their first job, but a few years into it negotiating is par for the course, right? Only facts I should add are that this is a non-profit with better benefits than her current job.

    She's going to accept, I would obviously just like her to be making 69x more than they offered. Always.
     
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  13. Boo MFer!

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    Nice.
     
  14. Boo MFer!

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    And yes, she should counter, but only if she has supporting reasons why.
     
  15. Oranjello

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    "We just bought a house under the assumption that my salary would be at least $x, which is where it currently is" seems to be a good enough reason to me, but I am somewhat aggressive in these situations whereas she is not.

    I think asking them to match her current salary, or at least get closer to it, is perfectly reasonable. No? That's why my question was whether it's expected or not. If it's expected, then the money is there on their end.
     
  16. Baron

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    I mean, what type of difference are we talking about? 10%? 20%?
     
  17. Oranjello

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    12% initially, then 8% less after she is done "training"
     
  18. LetItSoak

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    Your mortgage is irrelevant to her value as an employee so I wouldn't bring that up. She should focus on why she is worth more than what they offered and her current salary is a strong anchor for that discussion.
     
  19. Boo MFer!

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    That’s not the type of support I mean. The company doesn’t have an obligation to pay for you buying a new house, but they should feel obligated to pay salaries competitive with the market. Have her do some research to see what someone with her experience makes in that job in your city. How does the salary compare to that?
     
  20. Oranjello

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    I don't disagree with your reasoning, but I've used that approach twice and both times it worked to get them to come up to where I wanted.
     
  21. Oranjello

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    I can afford the mortgage with my salary alone. I just want her to make as much money as possible while she still works, obviously
     
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  22. Oranjello

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    It's effectively 8% less than her current job, and 28% less than previous offers. When she accepted her current job, I rationalized the significantly lesser pay as "I'll sacrifice the pay in order to keep my own sanity since she wants the lesser paying job and listening to her vent/complain every night isn't worth it."
     
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  23. Name P. Redacted

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    If that reasoning worked with other employers, that just means they were prepared to offer you more and the reason you provided didn't matter too much.
     
  24. 09knight

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    You buying a house for whatever doesn’t matter in the negotiation. Talk about her skill set, market trends for that position at other spots, value added etc...
     
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  25. Tiger Tiger Woods Y'all

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    I need to be paid more because my house is expensive? Lolwut.

    I hire based on market rate, value to the company, and previous salary. I have an idea on what my upper end of the range is. Most time new hires don’t come close to that, and are only looking for a marginal improvement from their last gig. Works for the company because it gives us wiggle room to bonus and give raises above normal annual increases.
     
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  26. CoastalOrange

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    But do y'all actually give good bonuses or give raises above the normal annual increases? I feel like in my experience (which could just be shitty experiences) a business likes to say that they can do those things and then when it comes time to pony up they don't do those things.
     
  27. Tiger Tiger Woods Y'all

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    For my center managers and above I sit with each to start the year and create goals based on overall company goals and the cost center(s) they manage. Most are based on revenue or cost reduction, but if there are big department initiatives on the horizon we’ll do milestone goals where they receive a bonus check whenever I sign off that the initiative was completed. For revenue or lean goals we discuss what reasonable targets are and then create stretch ones.

    I much prefer to create strong annual incentive packages over base increases but we’ll do that too, especially if we aren’t at market and don’t want to lose top performers.

    Our more entry level positions each have tiers (I, II, III) with set salary increases from moving level to level. Everyone that gets hired into a certain level are paid exactly the same. Everyone here gets a set bonus based on dept performance that has a multiplier based on their annual review.
     
  28. Name P. Redacted

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    shrewd
     
  29. Tiger Tiger Woods Y'all

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    [​IMG]
     
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  30. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck I'm a Boss

    In the application process and a personality assessment was assigned. This one actually shared the results and one of my flaws it listed, which I find hilarious, was “may be quietly self-righteous.”
     
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  31. racer

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    See your custom user title
     
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  32. Oranjello

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    Some of y'all need to work on your reading comprehension.

    The context of my point about budgeting and including a reference to housing costs was a way to counter an offer for less than one's current pay. As in, "I have these external constraints that preclude me from accepting your job offer unless you at least match what I currently make."

    Nice job making light of the reason in your first sentence, and then agreeing with it in the next sentence by saying you hire partly based on previous salary.
     
  33. Tiger Tiger Woods Y'all

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    Your reasoning for needing to make X whether it to pay your house note or to keep building up your dildo collection doesn’t matter.

    I make x im not taking less is good enough, is im i pretty sure everyone’s point.
     
  34. Goose

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    I recently got offered a job by a competitor that was over 30% more than I’m making now. Only catch was they wanted me to move to Louisville. Not against moving but not exactly hot on Louisville.

    Anyway, I brought the offer back to my current employer and they actually beat the offer so I elected to stay.

    I rejected the offer and said it was because I didn’t want to move due to family issues because I didn’t want to tell them i basically used them for a raise. They called me today and left a VM stating that they’re re-offering and allowing me to work out of their office 15 minutes from my current house.

    Don’t want to burn any bridges. What the hell do I do. Don’t want to work there tbh
     
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  35. Truman

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    Did they offer more over the 30% or just say you could stay in town?

    Was the only reason you were gonna leave was due to pay, or are you unhappy w the current job?
     
  36. racer

    racer Fuck Tucker, Tucker sucks.
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    If all tangible factors are equal and you like your current job better, decline.
     
  37. Goose

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    He only said stay in town in his VM.

    I would say it was 80% money 20% unhappy. Like my job but hate our executive level management ever since we got bought by a fortune 100 company

    Moreso wondering what the hell do i say when I re-reject because I completely blamed it on my moms health. Don’t want to ghost them because who knows what the future holds
     
  38. racer

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    What about the long term? Does one set you up to get where you want to go better than the other?
     
  39. Name P. Redacted

    Name P. Redacted I have no money and I'm also gay
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    Shouldn’t have lied in the first place to people you owe literally nothing to
     
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  40. racer

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  41. Goose

    Goose Hi
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    Well, duh
     
  42. BamaNug

    BamaNug Want to retire right MEOW
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    Man, when all else fails, and you're in a little bit of a hole, just be honest. It may be a tough convo, but just tell them I told my current employer about the offer, they matched, and I think I'm going to stay where I'm at.

    Worst case scenario, you're at your same job with a nice raise. Better scenario, new company offers even more money and you have another "good" dilemma
     
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  43. Goose

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    This is honestly probably what I’m going to do. Just don’t want to deliver the bad news, again. And don’t want to burn a bridge
     
  44. Willpépé

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    Just my three cents based on personal experience. Run far away from the fortune 100 company. I am not saying this is blanket advice, but the bigger companies flat out don't give a shit about you. For some it may make sense to work for a larger corporation from a job security perspective or dependent upon the market/job function.
     
  45. BamaNug

    BamaNug Want to retire right MEOW
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    This is true about most employers, not just large ones.
     
  46. Willpépé

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    Don't disagree at all definitely know the larger companies don't.
     
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  47. Goose

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    Don’t disagree, but if I was a betting man they will get bought by one too in the next 2 years. They’re in year 3 with their current PE backer and have gotten too big. Large industrials have also been buying up other competitors
     
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  48. Tiger Tiger Woods Y'all

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    I would tell the firm that after declining their offer with the move you recommitted to your current firm and aren’t interested in making a move at this time.

    I’d appreciate that if that’s what someone told me. If I wanted you bad enough the first time and you told me you didn’t want to move and I didn’t say ok don’t move then the jokes on me.
     
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  49. Boo MFer!

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    Take the job and give me the extra 30% from your paycheck.
     
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  50. dukebuckeye

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    Just get into Recruiting if that’s what you are looking for :)
     
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