*Now the Official Jobs Thread* by popular demand

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Jax Teller, Oct 18, 2011.

  1. Name P. Redacted

    Name P. Redacted I have no money and I'm also gay
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    Jax I doubt youll get feedback if you ask why you weren’t hired
     
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  2. Marty Kaan

    Marty Kaan By any means necessary
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    focus isn't on growing hemp. The organization I'm part of is a multi-national tobacco company that has a patent on turning hemp into a bobbin that is then turned into a cigarillo. We've shipped two machines to oregon that will produce ~17M 1 gram blunts a month once production reaches full capacity. The issue is, everyone in the industry is fucking retarded and has no idea how to run a business correctly. Plus I don't have equity in the company, so why would I stick around when there are better companies to work for with far less bullshit to deal with.
     
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  3. Jax Teller

    Jax Teller Well-Known Member
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    It's weird to me that this seems to be the overwhelming thought line but every HR professional has told me to ask for it.
     
  4. momux

    momux AFAM Scholar
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    It’s honestly because it’s kind of awkward. Unless you were just deficient in a key skill, they probably just didn’t feel like it was a good fit which is really hard to articulate without coming across like a jackass.
     
  5. swiggs

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    Have heard this several times. New crops really do attracted shitty business men
     
  6. CTownND

    CTownND Well-Known Member

    Yep, put in my two weeks at my current job as well yesterday and it went fairly smoothly. My boss understood that my new position was just a different level of responsibility (and potentially earnings) that he couldn't provide, so he didn't even really offer a counter. Was pretty worried he'd start going off on me, talking about burning bridges, insulting my new firm or saying I wasn't ready for a job with this much responsibility, etc.

    I'm having my exit interview with HR in two hours and turning in all my stuff since they don't want me working out the two weeks too, so will be nice to get a little break before I start as well.
     
  7. Doc Louis

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    Or they don’t want to risk getting sued.
     
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  8. Marty Kaan

    Marty Kaan By any means necessary
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    doesn't help that I grew up in Agriculture. I was more competent at 16 on the farm than anyone in the firm.
     
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  9. Marty Kaan

    Marty Kaan By any means necessary
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    E&Y is coming to town to do an audit on our physical inventory on Tuesday. One of the partners has been stealing from the company and I'm fairly positive he is going to log into my system and delete the inventory he he took this weekend thinking it will cover his track. This dumb ass doesn't realize there are notifications set up to send out emails if someone starts deleting things. My last week with the company should be interesting. Hopefully he IS that stupid. I would greatly enjoy watching the drama as I exit. Having worked for big4 for almost 5 years, the last thing I'll let someone do is slander my name with one of the firms.


    On a positive note, I'm down here in PR about to start negotiations on my contract with a new advisory practice here with a path to partnership. I'll take the mountains of Puerto Rico over the mountains of Southern Oregon any day.
     
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  10. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck I'm a Boss

    This should be good
     
  11. Marty Kaan

    Marty Kaan By any means necessary
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    Oh it's been a fucked situation for a while. I'll detail some of the most fucked up things I've seen in the past 11 months in a minute.
     
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  12. racer

    racer The biggest cheeseburger you’ve ever seen.
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    I’ve never left a job within a year. I’m at 4 months at the moment. Is finding out the work is just not challenging as had been expected a valid reasonable reason for leaving?
     
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  13. Baron

    Baron Well-Known Member
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    [​IMG]
     
  14. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck I'm a Boss

    Yes, I’ve done it and if/when questioned on it in interviews I ask how this position will keep me challenged and engaged
     
  15. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! UCF has a clown car of talent at RB and WR.
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    Yes. Do you.
     
  16. Sportfan

    Sportfan From Six to Dumptime

    Ive changed jobs three times in the last 22 months. All for better opportunities, gotta do right by yourself. In today’s market employers are willing to overlook short stints to find good talent.
     
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  17. TDCD

    TDCD Handling the Fisher account
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    I’ve also never gotten feedback for an interview.

    I did a 5-interview onsite at one of the major tech companies, need to get approval from 3/5 for an offer and I only got it from 2/5. Would have been nice to at least know which people thought I did well.
     
  18. TDCD

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    I have an interview tomorrow at a place operating out of an unmarked building and they gave me a passphrase to say to the entercom when entering.

    Feels like a non zero chance that I’m about to be serial killed.
     
  19. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck I'm a Boss

    What’s the phrase?
     
  20. racer

    racer The biggest cheeseburger you’ve ever seen.
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    The tea in Nepal is very hot.
    But the coffee in Peru is much hotter.
     
  21. TDCD

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    Going in now.
     
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  22. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! UCF has a clown car of talent at RB and WR.
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    This is interesting feedback to get, but must have been hard to receive.
     
  23. TDCD

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    Question for recruiters/whoever

    I've been working with a recruiting agency and they got me an interview with a place. I did the tech screen but wasn't really feeling the company so I told the recruiter I was going to pass and not pursue any further. She gets back to me and says the company was really interested in me, I should give them another shot etc, and hands the phone to a 2nd recruiter who also tries to get me to reconsider. I say no and the call ends. A few days later one of the managers calls me and again asks me to reconsider this place and uses some jordan belfort type sales pitch to get me to talk to them again.

    Is this normal? Seems super unprofessional and disrespectful to me.
     
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  24. NothingIsOT

    NothingIsOT Always down for the Kroger parking lot!
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    Same thing happened to me. I’ve since written off that agency. Some recruiters are terrible humans.

    Yes it’s completely unprofessional.
     
  25. righty

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    Asked for a raise in early December (reasonably significant as I have been way underpaid for my position), and followed back up a month after. Both the initial ask and follow up seemed positive, with the response to the follow up saying “it’s in HR’s hands so they can figure out how to make it work, but I don’t see there being any issue”.

    Whats a reasonable timeframe to expect an answer before I follow up again?
     
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  26. Where Eagles Dare

    Where Eagles Dare The Specialist Show On Earth
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    Recruiters a essentially sales people who get paid when you take a job. They aren't "helping" you.
     
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  27. Name P. Redacted

    Name P. Redacted I have no money and I'm also gay
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    Kansas State Wildcats

    Do you have any leverage to move their decision along? You’re kinda stuck at their game if not.
     
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  28. Willpépé

    Willpépé Miles of D.
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    They are absolutely sales people, not essentially. Their inherent value is in the relationship they have with the people in which you desire to get a job from. They can absolutely help you, it just happens to be a field of cat littered shit.
     
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  29. Where Eagles Dare

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    I mean they aren't his friend, they are trying to Ace someone and convince both sides to accept
     
  30. LetItSoak

    LetItSoak Well-Known Member
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    A good recruiter will definitely work on your behalf and not just foist a job on you for their personal gain because they want a long term relationship. I have a great one I've worked with for years and he has helped me get a job and I've used him to fill several roles on my team. If he just tried to sell me on a shit job for his personal gain 9 years ago he would have made a fraction of the long term commissions. You can shear a sheep many times but you can skin it only once.
     
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  31. Hoss Bonaventure

    Hoss Bonaventure College football is overrated anyways.
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    The job I have now was through a recruiter. I’d never even heard of the company and he reached out to me and set it all up. My contract is up on Monday and I move to a permanent position. I’d absolutely use them again if I decided to start looking elsewhere. My wife is in the same boat but unfortunately her company will keep people on contract for decades.
     
  32. dukebuckeye

    dukebuckeye P.G.I.T
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    Hi, Recruiter here. I’ve said it before, but our industry is 90% shit. Uncapped income potential with no barrier to entry means too many people give it a shot that shouldn’t and are only interested in chasing a dollar.

    Do your research before committing to a specific recruiter. Make sure they seem component in your industry and have some tenure in the field. The bad ones have a new job every 8-14 months because that’s how long companies will hold on to someone bad until they part ways.
     
  33. dukebuckeye

    dukebuckeye P.G.I.T
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    Super unprofessional and selfish motives. If you know you have all the information you need to conclude it’s right or not, then make your call and move on. You have to live with the decision, Recruiters do not.
     
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  34. righty

    righty Respect The Pouch
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    I do not, so until then:

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  35. DuffandMuff

    DuffandMuff Well-Known Member
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    I’ve never asked for a raise because I’m a little bitch. Sorry, can’t help ya.
     
  36. dukebuckeye

    dukebuckeye P.G.I.T
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    Probably a quarter from your last ask.

    I’d have some data points to back your compensation request. Easier to get approvals if you can show them a why.
     
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  37. righty

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    Oh I was a little bitch leading up to it. Got through it well but had to do a lap after the meeting.
    Made sure to do that in the initial ask. Provided about four different resources showing compensation relative to title, experience and location.
     
  38. dukebuckeye

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    Nice. I get that often when negotiating offers. People just want to ask for a number without backing it up.
     
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  39. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! UCF has a clown car of talent at RB and WR.
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    :warn:
     
  40. dukebuckeye

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    Lol. Fucker. I’m on my phone!
     
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  41. Boo MFer!

    Boo MFer! UCF has a clown car of talent at RB and WR.
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    Let’s just hope you aren’t recruiting any professional spellers! Lmbo
     
  42. dukebuckeye

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    Grammatical Engineers*
     
  43. Baseballman86

    Baseballman86 Well-Known Member

    Submitted my performance review self appraisal today and requested to talk to my manager about a promotion. Will likely be a process as I was moved to a new area only 2 months ago so my new manager has no experience with me. Nervous to see how it goes.
     
  44. Savage Rob Chubb

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    I started working for a small, but growing company about 10 months ago and we experienced a + 20% growth in sales in 2019. We did about $11 million in sales last year. We supply framed mirrors, LED mirrors and other specialty mirrors to apartment complexes, hotels, etc.

    My title is "product line manager" but I do a lot of different things and I'm basically second in command when it comes to sales working directly under the national sales manager. One of the main things I do is travel around the country to make sales calls with our reps (who also rep other product lines) in their respective territories to help close new customers and grow existing business. I currently get no commission on sales, but they did have a spiff plan in place where basically if I brought on a new customer and they placed an order I got $50. If they did over $5,000 in orders I got $100. A big part of my job is just quoting jobs and helping grow existing business.

    They've recently given me five states to focus on so I'm not going all over the map. Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana and parts of Pennsylvania. We don't have much business going in these states, did about $500,000 last year in all of those states combined. We did have reps that technically cover these states, but don't do much for us as it's not worth their time and they have other lines that make a lot more money.

    Tomorrow I have a meeting to discuss my "2020 compensation plan." I'm hoping they'll say I get a small percentage of all sales in these states since we're doing so little in them now, but Idk if that will happen.

    What should I ask for/is there another thread where people give advice on shit like this?
     
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  45. Truman

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    Do you have a quota or any goals youre required to reach?

    Is your current comp just a base salary and those little kicker bonuses? Are these sales typically one time orders, is there a contract where they purchase on a monthly/yearly/ multi yearly basis?
     
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  46. Truman

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    When you say you sell w your reps that sell other product lines - does that mean other product lines within the company, or sell other products that are produced by another company?

    Im in sales but trying to get a better idea how yours is all set up
     
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  47. Savage Rob Chubb

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    I don't have a target goal as of yet, but I think they'll probably lay a goal out tomorrow. My current comp is just a base salary with the small bonuses.

    These sales are usually not just one time sales. Some customers orders range from as little as $150 to as high as $30,000. There is no contract where they purchase on a monthly/yearly basis.

    They're selling other products that are within another company.
     
  48. Truman

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    It's such a foreign concept to have salespeople sell products of several different companies? Do they have the option to sell similar products to yours but from a competitor?

    At any rate if youre going to be held to a quota, you need to be commissioned for it. I think youre getting screwed but just getting 50 bucks from 0-1000 and 100 for anything above.

    Id negotiate a percent of billing at least. I dont what would make sense in that industry. 3% 8% 10%???

    Figure out what your median sale is, find a commission number that makes sense. For instance If 50% of your deals are are $500 and under and ask for a 10% commission Id think you'd make out ok because the 50% of deals over that will increase your take home money.

    I have no idea if 10% is doable ect, but that's just to give you an idea.

    You could also advocate for a % of quota kicker, where you get 10% of sales until you hit your quota, then 12% from 101-110% of quota, 15% from 115+ ect.

    Again, I have no idea if that's fiscally realistic for the company but just a format to work w .
     
  49. Truman

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    I want to stress, not to use my numbers to figure out how the % of sales revenue applied to the median sale to asses what you could be making. IM not a mathlete and people way smarter than me figure out these compensation plans. I just used the numbers for examples as a format.