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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Jax Teller, Oct 18, 2011.
They caved on the 4 weeks
Congrats on the new job. You staying in Cincinnati?
Yeah. They wanted me to move to Louisville but I told them no. I travel half the time anyways
1.) If there is an upload box for a cover letter, do you always add a cover letter?
2.) Thoughts on stopping by a place in person after you apply online? I think it's a bad idea but my buddies swear it's a good idea. Now I don't know what to think.
1. Yes - because it shows additional effort.
2. I think varies pretty dramatically depending on industry and position for which you're applying. Hospitality - 100%, Finance - not ideal.
My 2 cents.
1. I've done it once.
2. No. Especially not during the pandemic. Can't even imagine how you would approach that. "Hey, I submitted an application online. Who can drop what they're doing and talk to me about it?"
1.) I agree but man I hate writing a fucking cover letter for every application.
2.) I think "dropping in" is just awkward as hell and would only annoy the hiring manager. I was blown away anyone thought it was a good idea.
Professional Hirer over here. I rarely look for Cover Letters. They’re fine and may provide some benefit but If you’re legit, I want you, cover letter or no.
I work in a much different space than most on the board I'm sure, but drop-ins to get hired at restaurants/hotels/nightclubs is realistically over 1,000 people I ended up hiring due to their sheer persistence, being a great candidate, or just completely lucking out on my seasonal staffing timelines.
Also getting to meet someone in person pretty heavily impacts your interest in them (can be positive or negative) - but I've never been annoyed by a good candidate showing up to a location and wanting to speak to me.
*Goldman - certainly not the case and you pretty much ruin any chance you had of getting hired at some point.
Makes a lot of sense in that industry.
I probably should have said in the original post but I'm an engineer and looking to move from an entry level position to a mid level position at a different company.
How would that advice even work logistically? It’s not like you can just waltz into any office building floor without tailgating.
I'm glad ya'll are confirming my "stopping in is bonkers" take.
I was starting to go insane arguing it with my buddies.
They all live in a rural-ish area and work in non-technical fields, so I think that might have been the disconnect.
There are people that will post up in Manhattan lobbies with pretty well developed proformas and prospectuses every day for weeks on end. Not sure I'm personally aware of a single success story with that angle.
Read this as “professional Hitler” and was confused
Going by the office is a weird move. Don’t do it.
To be fair, I think a fair amount of guys on TMB consider me a Professional Hitler :)
Well things took a wild turn this evening. I finally got the official offer letter at 2pm and it's 8 freaking pages and has a pretty restrictive 2 year non-compete clause in it and it said I'd be reporting to someone I didn't even meet in the hiring process.
I didn't think much of it until the guy that I thought was the hiring manager called me around 6:45 and asked what I thought. Told him I wanted to review it and get back to them in about a week (which was just me trying to play cool, because I honestly had only skimmed the thing) and then he fires back and basically told me I had to give them an answer by the end of day tomorrow or the offer would be rescinded. Perhaps they have the perception that I'm playing games with them, but it honestly came off as pretty unprofessional, so now I might just say fuck it and explore other opportunities.
I'm going to sleep on it, but it kind of pissed me off.
I think a week is pretty aggressively long to get back to them - depending on prior discussions.
A hiring manager telling someone they have 24 hours or it's rescinded is absurd. That's a poorly attempted power move unless they literally have to hire someone on a last minute timeline to maintain ops - which used to be a pretty big rarity but I'm sure is more common during the Covid crisis.
I have been in that situation before though where I had to hire someone within 24 hours to be able to open doors.
I think it's pretty critical to know exactly who you'll be reporting to - hiring manager you'll probably never deal with again after signing.
Yeah that’s a valid point, but They told me I could name the start date whether it be 3 weeks, or 3 months from now. They aren’t going to shut their doors over me
Separate (but related) note - I was unaware how stringently Ohio enforced non-competes. Cali is basically the wild west outside of a few segments.
Without going to deep into it, isn’t this the guy who got you some type of company exception for extra PTO? I could see how he’d be frustrated if he fought for you and then he feels like you’re giving him the runaround.
The reporting manager thing seems a pretty valid concern though. I don’t think I’d ever take a job without at least taking to my future boss.
Yeah agreed. I didn’t take a job because I asked my would be manager the same question three times in a row until I got an answer. He tap danced at length the first two times. Third time was a one word answer and I don’t think he appreciated it.
I’ve decided if they’re sticking to this end of day mess, I’m not taking the job.
They never mentioned a non-compete clause and if they truthfully needed an answer within 24 hours of a written offer being received, they should have communicated that before 6:45pm yesterday. It’s also not my problem they had to jump through hoops to get an experienced technical professional 4 measly weeks of vacation.
Too many red flags here. I’m not happy with my current management, but at least they’ve never pulled this unprofessional bullshit.
Mind letting us know what industry you’re in?
Warehouse automation. It’s an exploding industry with plenty of job opportunities
My contract at my last permanent job had a two-year non-compete for other CPR instruction companies. The hospital system that owns the outpatient facility I work in teaches CPR. I don’t know if they ever contacted the previous company when hiring me. My current job and the one I start on Monday have nothing to do with the CPR instruction side of the business so their non-compete claim would have no ground to stand on in Virginia.
So are you the one responsible for replacing humans with robots or do you have nothing to do with the human capital aspect of the industry?
I'd be most concerned about them having you report to someone that you never met through the entire interview process. That's a giant red flag. And if they won't even give you the weekend to consider it, I say fuck em.
So they're worried you'd leave for Amazon?
Seriously though I'd want clarification about the hiring manager and not speaking with them part.
Yep. Another one of those “industry professionals” here, and I’d never fault a candidate for not accepting an offer if they haven’t even spoken with the person who will be the next tier on their reporting structure.
Giant red flag if they don’t want you talking to this person.
I did a tour of CDW warehouse in Chicago and it was one of the coolest fucking things I can say I've ever done for work. Like I would take time off to go on tours and learn more about that shit, I thought it was awesome.
Disclaimer: I realize there is nothing awesome about it the second you are getting paid to work in it. Also, whole heartily agree that you should say fuck you to them, you should absolutely have more opportunities shortly.
It’s more than just robotics but yes
They’re the biggest buyer in the industry and it’s not even close
Honestly, it’s an awesome job and industry to work in but it’s not for everyone. It’s extremely challenging and the travel can suck but it’s really cool to see what you’ve built once it’s done.
I’ve done warehouses ranging from 7 to 15 miles of conveyor in them and it still amazes me how it works
So before I did the CDW tour I was always fascinated with a show about FedEx and how they deliver and route your packages. It was like Modern Marvels or something else like that. Regardless, loved that particular episode and all the logistics behind the premise. The warehouse portion was the most interesting piece to me, at their main DC in.....
Alright I am done, back on track.
I did a project a few years back in Memphis. It’s the only warehouse I have ever worked in where you have to go through metal detectors on the way in due to previous shootings lol
That's reassuring though. I was on a warehouse project in Olive Branch Miss one time and I genuinely was afraid for my life.
Are you an engineer?
So what is everyone expecting in the next 6 months wrt working in the office or remote for their companies? Our company is supposedly working on a remote policy since there wasn’t an official one before. Interested to see what it looks like.
WSJ had a great article on this a few weeks ago. I am looking for it for you. Ran whole gambit of companies who are trying to return, out for the rest of the year and ultimately out of the office game forever. Obviously the numbers are derived from polls, but there was a pretty large number of companies that will be letting their lease expire entirely.
Ultimately I think a lot of industries are going to try to use this as a way to control cost. If you no longer have to pay the NY or SF premium, why wouldn't you just hire someone who is qualified in say, Missouri. I'm also interested in what happens to commercial real estate, have to imagine that's going to have a profound impact in larger cities.
Project manager. Have an engineering team and team of millwright and electricians
My company is very much park your ass in your seat for 8 hours and serve your time. Luckily my boss is very lenient. We had no WFH policy. Higher ups didn't see how it could work.
Low and behold we've been doing very well WFH. They recently sent out a survey asking people how they'd like to work moving forward. CEO sent out an email this week saying 60% would be interested in coming back into the office.
My friend in HR who administered the survey said that was a flat out lie. Shit head executives are back on their bullshit acting like we're all clamoring to go back in.
Start a new job tomorrow. Been with the same company the last 10 years since graduating colleges (several jobs there). Feels really weird going to a new company but also super excited about experiencing something different. Transitioning from a 20k employee company to one with ~150 is also going to be quite the culture change.
Trying to hire people is IMPOSSIBLE right now
The same description last February had 130 candidates, this year I have 26 candidates. First 2 people I called in for interviews, both of them no called no showed.
That stimy just hits different.
what type of position?
Frankly I'm surprised you ever had 130 applicants for that type of position but I also don't know where you live.
Question for people in recruiting type jobs (or anyone).
A friend had a final round "virtual super day" type interview last Wednesday with a company - which was a fourth/final round to meet with 5 people for 45 minutes after a case study, panel presentation, other interviews, etc. over the last couple weeks. She was told by the hiring manager during the interview that they are "discussing internally and will let you know feedback next week." During her interviews, the last interviewer had technical difficulties and couldn't dial into his Zoom and canceled 10 minutes into the interview. The recruiting team reached back out Friday to re-schedule his interview for Tuesday (tomorrow).
Would it be reading too much into this to think she's getting the offer and/or is the top candidate if they re-scheduled the interview? If the other 4 were going to nix her, I find it hard to believe they'd waste his time by making him interview someone they aren't going to hire, but maybe they're just doing it as a courtesy.