*Now the Official Jobs Thread* by popular demand

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Jax Teller, Oct 18, 2011.

  1. Skiddly

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    Yes. Ready to get out of this industry.

    My dad is an architect and I worked as a drafter for him. Unfortunately he's old and used regular ole AutoCAD.

    I've been watching some REVIT tutorials on youtube and I'm pretty surprised how close some of it is to Inventor. I'm very well versed in Inventor so maybe the transition won't be as hard as I think.
     
  2. Baseballman86

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    Had kind of a weird call (for me) with a recruiter today. Talking about a senior PM gig, which is what I'm looking for, and most everything sounded good enough to continue, then she mentioned that it was a 6 month contract to hire job. I'd be working for the company, but a W2 employee of her company for those 6 months, paid at the contract rate and then convert over to an employee of the real company officially.

    recruiters and hiring folks, am I correct in thinking that's just corporate speak for a 6 month paid interview, and they want the freedom to be able to cut me at any time or at least not hire me fully? I'm guessing that's more common in maybe IT or tech world, but this is consumer goods and I've never encountered it, or even heard of it for similar background coworkers honestly.
     
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  3. LetItSoak

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    That is 100% what's happening, we do it all the time with tech hires
     
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  4. Marty Kaan

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    Yah I am a subcontractor in tech finance. I have 3-6 month gigs. I like it as a consultant Bc I don’t have to do internal business development.

    Your contractor rate should be 2x to 2.5x that what you’d make as a W2.
     
  5. LetItSoak

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    When I was wrapping up my MBA i did a contract gig for 3 months and it was glorious. I had a specific job with no direct reports and didn't have to worry about internal company bullshit. I did my job, went home and got paid.
     
  6. Baseballman86

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    Got it, thank you. That makes sense. Just sent a note back saying I'm going to pass on this one.

    The contract rate just converts over to the same salary when done, but the major issue here is I live in a city without many job prospects for my career beyond where I currently work, so the risk of quitting for this and then not having a job in 6 months is too high. It would need to be a substantial leap forward for my career or sizable pay increase for me to take that risk
     
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  7. momux

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    When we hire these contractor types they are usually W2 employees of the contracting firm. I think the ratio is probably closer to 1.25-1.5x for us unless it is a highly desirable skillset.

    Regardless, I certainly wouldn't make the shift to this model for an equivalent salary.
     
  8. Willpépé

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    You’re in a great spot to work remote full time though. Not sure what your prospects are internally but would you consider or would it be possible to run some IT projects internal? I’m not a PM but I did get my PMP and that absolutely made my offers explode. Started my own gig and I’ve taken some odd contracts here and there in a PM capacity. It’s easy money, relative to work and has held me over while getting myself going on other fronts.

    Just throwing it out there that if you are interested in moving up, gaining more experience and having fall back, getting into IT in some capacity you’ll never be out of work. I’ve also been offered full salary coming off jobs but that’s not really of interest for me. I’d say half offered me full time, other half I wasn’t interested because of the climate and stated so. Point is they may have offered, I just wasn’t receptive.

    Ultimate point is I didn’t want to get my PMP, kind of was forced to but I’m glad I did. Never realized the demand. Also, if you ever have the desire to start your own business it’s great contract work. Some contracts are better than others but you can easily pull down 100k (net) a year doing it full time. Get a good accountant and be prepared for benefits. Could work with a larger agency and get them through them but I’d recommend getting them privately so they can’t string you by the balls.
     
  9. Baseballman86

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    I think it would definitely open more doors, but I'm product management right now and definitely prefer that vs project management, so not sure if I want to go down that PMP road. Though it does sound like you were similarly hesitant and happy you did it now. Also all of my experience is in consumer hard goods, not tech or IT, which narrows it a little further, but that's a move I've been considering
     
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  10. Willpépé

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    Ah misread that, makes a lot more sense.
     
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  11. steamengine

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    The Union Jack on his collar is a nice touch

     
  12. Room 15

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    Wrong thread?
     
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  13. lfriend

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    From what I have seen in Corp IT so far, PMs are generally near the top of the list when it comes to cutting jobs.

    I don't think I would recommend it.
     
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  14. Willpépé

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    I’m more advocating it as a side deal and to expand on abilities to pull in contract work. If you or anyone else doesn’t want to PM, I get it. It will increase the amount of jobs/contracts you can take on, probably 5 times what most are currently are eligible for. Doesn’t wet my whistle but it pays and I know if I needed to I could pull in another contract before the end of August at a favorable rate.

    If you want stability, don’t be a useless PM. Also, yeah they’re definitely going to get cut during a global pandemic when no one is spending any money. They’re not support staff required to keep lights on.
     
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  15. Jake Scott

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    IT folks, you guys still use Scrum Masters? If so, how long do you keep them? If your team is agile and running as efficiently as possible, do you still keep them?
     
  16. Skiddly

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    Today is my last day at the COVID denying, homophobic, racist, redneck POS plant.

    So fucking excited to be out of here!
     
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  17. The Blackfish

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    Wow, hate that I didn’t realize we worked at the same place until your last day.
     
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  18. Born Again Lefty

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    We never had Scrum Masters because no one on the team has an MBA and would use that terminology, but our Project Management Trainer was eventually let go after running some PMP courses.

    We now only have business system analysts.
     
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  19. Baseballman86

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    Sounds like I'm going to be interviewing for an internal promotion, and maybe one of several open roles, in the next week or two. Any differences in interviewing with current employer vs outside?

    One question I have is do you still show in a suit? I have never interviewed without one, but seems like that could make for some weird convos with coworkers?
     
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  20. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck I'm a Boss

    Still approach it as if your panel members have no idea who you are or what you do.
     
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  21. dukebuckeye

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    When in doubt, better to overdress.
     
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  22. Marty Kaan

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    Back working for Walmart again. Going to be a tough project but should be super interesting
     
  23. dukebuckeye

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    I always appreciate the Greeters.
     
  24. Marty Kaan

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    that'd be much easier. I'm the manager overseeing the building of a custom financial model for walmart's US tech org
     
  25. Nandor the Relentless

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    So what’s that mean?
     
  26. Marty Kaan

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    IT Financial Management or Technology Business Management

    I build financial models for technology organizations so they understand what they are spending their money on from a business perspective and not just traditional finance metrics

    [​IMG]
     
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  27. Nandor the Relentless

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    Sounds like why I hated finance class in grad school.
     
  28. Marty Kaan

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    It is just one of my gigs--pays well. I learned in my 20s that Tech consulting wasn't fulfilling so I have other side hustles that round out my work experience.
     
  29. racer

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    I’m looking into cyber security certifications. I’ve dabbled in it a little, but never had and formal education or professional job experience with it. Anyone in the field have any tips or suggestions? I have started looking at the CISSP associate path since I don’t have the requisite experience for full certification.
     
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  30. Willpépé

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    That’s the cert to get if you can do it. In terms of requisite path, my advice is to get creative, assuming you have a degree. If you don’t there are tons of other certs you can get to compensate. There’s a dude on the board who has one, was working on one but career took me another way. I believe he’s a Miami fan, not sure his name.
     
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  31. Born Again Lefty

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    Hello, yes, welcome to the show.

    Do you have any IT/networking/programming experience or brand new?

    Cyber/Information Security is an expansive field with a ton of arenas. There’s Governance/Risk/Compliance, penetration testing, cloud, auditing, network security, incident response (forensics), DevSecOps and more.

    Completely new to computer technology I suggest a path of:
    • CompTIA A+
    • CompTIA Network+
    • CompTIA Security+
    If you have a understanding of computers and other technology you can skip the A+. From there it is dependent on which aspect of security you want to get into. CISSP is the top cert and I would recommend once you get your feet under you. It’s not so much a test on direct technical understanding, but when and how to apply that technical understanding.

    If you have an idea of which direction you want to go let me know and I can give more direct paths. When I’m at work tomorrow I can also link training websites, informational graphs, etc.

     
  32. Boo MFer!

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    Years ago, I interviewed and was a finalist for a job at ISC2. AMA.
     
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  33. Willpépé

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    I’m sorry I didn’t remember your UN, glad I remembered the school correctly.
     
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  34. Willpépé

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    I know I posted this before, but have to again because I was completely dismissive of it. Background for you, my back end experience is in Telecom, multiple platforms, certs (Telecom) that most no one will know here, nothing that matters. Have CCNA, MCSE, ITIL and various other certs where I have no business working on any of the equipment, never used it. That said, the only reason I took my PMP was because if I had to take another ITIL class I would have lost my god damn mind. That said, can't even tell you how much that improved my salary, offers and general interest in terms of employment, easily quadruple when anything else has done for me. If you have someone who will pay for it and the time, get it. It's definitely not the most exciting work there is to do but it's nice to have if you are ever in a bind. You won't be out of work for long.
     
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  35. Born Again Lefty

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    racer

    General Security Information:
    https://www.rapid7.com/fundamentals/

    https://resources.infosecinstitute.com/

    Free and Paid Trainings:
    https://www.hoppersroppers.org/

    https://academy.ehacking.net/

    https://www.cybrary.it/

    Introduction to Pen Testing:
    https://overthewire.org/wargames/

    Great YouTube series for the above mentioned certifications:

    https://www.professormesser.com/

     
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  36. BamaNug

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    That all seems like a lot of work
     
  37. Nandor the Relentless

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    I know what some of these words are :smug:
     
  38. racer

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    Yeah, ‘Free’
     
  39. Sportfan

    Sportfan From Six to Dumptime

    I sell to you people, y’all kinda suck to deal with but I’m a whore.
     
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  40. racer

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  41. lfriend

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    You will find out quickly that cyber security is mostly companies not willing to train people up to be good at it, but bitch in articles that they can't find anyone to fill them roles.
     
  42. Marty Kaan

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    Back advising Walmart technology org as a manager--holy fuck my calendar looks like shit now. meetings daily from 730am to 6pm. FML
     
  43. BamaNug

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  44. Boo MFer!

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    You and bertwing gonna have lunch?
     
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  45. Nandor the Relentless

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    Is Walmart the type of company that, as I like to say, likes to have meetings to discuss having other meetings?
     
  46. Marty Kaan

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    I'm taking over as manager for three workstreams, so I'm getting slammed with meetings.
     
  47. Marty Kaan

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    if we get extended and start traveling again--i'd be down
     
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  48. Marty Kaan

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    the money is good enough to look past the work life imbalance
     
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  49. dukebuckeye

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    To each their own, but this sounds like my personal nightmare.
     
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  50. Doc Louis

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    I'm stealing that.
     
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