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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by dbl, May 9, 2010.
Wow I really hate the news on Joba. I really don't want to write him off but I'm close to it.
It might be the best thing for him. This way he gets a whole extra year to rehab from the Tommy John surgery.
The news on Chamberlain is really disappointing. Hate to see him suffer such a setback after he was making great strides towards coming back ASAP.
On another bullpen-related note, anyway else really wanna see Clay Rapada get the last spot? He's been dominating lefties all spring and I don't have much trust in Logan.
Damn, just read about Joba. Feel bad for him. I became a fan of his during his rehab. You could tell how much it meant. Injury sounds really really bad.
As for Rapada, hell yea. His lefty numbers are re-tard-ed and have been for a while. Give the guy a shot.
I keep thinking there is no way Pineda doesn't make the rotation because it would make no sense to trade away Montero if he wasn't going to be in it.
Agreed. No way he isn't in the rotation.
Not necessarily the Yankees this year.
TJ surgery is a real bitch. I can't imagine an extra season of not throwing hard but instead just getting his ass in shape would be bad for him or the Yankees in the long run.
Come back in shape and well rested with little to no worries about that arm tendon. Just imo.
don't see Joba having much of a career, too many bad breaks in a row. The biggest mistake was not leaving him in the minors longer, probably would have been better for his development in someone else's farm
everyone saying that AROD looks to be in great shape but I'm a bit skeptical with his age if he can really stay healthy and put up a 40+ HR season. I expect Cano to
CHAMBERLAIN SPEAKS: I’m sure I’ll have more on this later, but Joba Chamberlain addressed the media today and said there was never any bone sticking out of his ankle and never a life-threatening loss of blood. He said he has a subtalor dislocation, not an open dislocation, and he seems very optimistic about pitching this season. Open dislocation is the term the Yankees have used from the very beginning.
UPDATE, 7:26 p.m.: Brian Cashman just met with the media to clarify that Chamberlain had an open dislocation of his subtalar joint. Cashman said he double checked with doctors and bone did, in fact, break through the skin. Cashman said there wasn’t a ton of bleeding, but there was bleeding. He’s still optimistic that Chamberlain will play this season.
GRANDERSON SCRATCHED: Curtis Granderson has been scratched from the lineup because of soreness in his right elbow. No word on severity. Just happened a couple of minutes ago.
As for Granderson, he’s going for a precautionary MRI tomorrow. Cashman said his level of concern is “two or less” on a scale from 1 to 10.
Mark Teixeira is out of the game in the sixth inning, replaced by Jorge Vazquez for an unknown reason.
Tex in the lineup today so guess he's ok
Brett Gardner needs to give Bibi Jones a call, borderline nsfw
What's Pineda status in regards to the rotation?
There's no way he doesn't have a spot. You don't trade a prospect like Montero, who was going to contribute in a major way this season, and make Pineda the long man. I have little doubt that Garcia will start the season as the long man.
He's all but in. No way he goes to the pen. They say Pineda, Nova, and Garcia are battling for 4 and 5 but I think they are full of shit. Sure, Garcia is steady and was very good last year but there is way too much upside in Pineda, Hughes, and Nova to have them in the pen. Let em go and Garcia is there to step in if one has a Hughes 2011 start.
Garcia in the pen as a long arm.
Word. Pineda is gonna be fine. I think it's major overreaction by most about his "velocity issues"
Panicking over spring training is so useless. I also think he'll be fine. If he's still struggling 3-4 weeks into the season then we can talk about it being a major issue.
Yup. Just gotta work on that 3rd pitch.
there's a chance he might start the season in Scranton
There's just no way....
Going by her twitter, she has a huge crush on him. I'd be calling her up asap if I was BG.
Why are we so fucking pathetic at developing pitchers? We baby the fuck out of them to the point they suck ass. We ruined Joba. Ruined Hughes. We're about to ruin Pineda. Watch, next they'll say they want to watch how many innings he throws so they'll start him out at AAA even though the fucker threw 170+ innings last year. We gave up a huge bat for him. Let the mf'er do his thing. Jesus, people.
I mean I guess it says something about the depth if we can send Pineda to the minors but that's not a good thing in my eyes. He needs to be a starter here. Still think Hughes doesn't come back as good as people say he will and Pineda will take his spot.
Also tried to get Red Sox tickets and yeah that didn't work out. Looking at going to see the Tigers in late April or the Mariners in early May for my first games at the new stadium.
He's married and has a kid. Although he probably still should...
javy vazquez (2x)
now pineda. you'd think a team with the yankee's resources would investigate why so many of their promising acquisitions/prospects turn to shit in ny.
Pineda said he had shoulder soreness after his start tonight. Definitely don't expect for him to be in the rotation to start the season now.
FTR, I'm rooting for Pineda even though I don't like your team
I hated that they traded Jesus and this news on shoulder soreness is not helping
New York Yankees right-hander Michael Pineda has tendinitis in his right shoulder and will start the season on the 15-day disabled list.
Pineda had complained of soreness in the back of his right shoulder Friday night, when he allowed six runs in 2 2/3 innings against the Phillies.
Pineda, 23, was acquired in a January trade from the Seattle Mariners for Jesus Montero.
Well at least this was the year for something to happen with a pitcher, at least we will have a good rotation still.
Not happy though.
Fucking pathetic. We need to just give up on developing SP's. Who's the last decent SP we developed? Pettitte in 1995? I was in fucking high school! Develop bats and buy pitchers. Not semi-developed SP's, I'm talking CY winners, guy that we can't fuck up, and just throw retarded money at them so they can't say no.
Yes, I'm mad. We just dealt a top 5 young bat for a guy that we've already fucked up to the point he's a AAA pitcher on the DL.
feel really shitty for Pineda and Yankee fans, sort of, I really want him to do well and not have this shit happen to him.
What have they really done to ''fuck up'' Pineda.
Well he's gone from a very good young SP that dominated early last year until he hit the wall to a SP that was bound for AAA until he got hurt. Now I can't point out exactly what they'd done, but after Joba and Hughes, I can't help but blame them.
the fanbase would have loved Jesus, I loved his at bats late last season ...I know 'pitching wins in the Playoffs' but I hate giving up positional players that usually are not as injury prone for a pitcher that is 1 ligament in the shoulder away from being never the same. I know his catching ability was questioned but man Jesus can hit
Ahh, of course. The M's didn't baby him enough. That's why his arm went to shit. Should have coddled him like we always do. Always works well.
Still plenty of questions surrounding Pineda’s shoulder, velocity and performance
Now that they have the MRI results, the Yankees know what they’re dealing with. But that doesn’t mean they have all of the answers. What caused Michael Pineda’s injury, and what effect has it had on his pitching? Were there warning signs along the way, or was this completely unpredictable? Truth be told, there are a lot of variables in this situation, and there weren’t many definitive answers beyond the diagnosis.
Did the injury cause the velocity dip?
“There was always that curiosity, why isn’t it going up higher?” Joe Girardi said. “And as you’re looking for answers, we’re looking, too, trying to figure out why isn’t the velocity where it was last year? Is it the innings? Is he just not ready to turn it loose? What is it? None of us are ever really going to know, but right now, he’s shut down and we’ll get him back as soon as we can.”
Did trying to generate velocity lead to the injury?
“I think it’s possible,” Girardi said. “I think you can look at a lot of guys and nothing’s ever going to come back perfect if you do an MRI. It could just be the six and a half weeks accumulation of pitching and getting in shape, getting your arm in shape. That’s why we try not to rush guys. It could be (trying to generate velocity). It could be from him flying open a little bit. I know we talked about that yesterday. Who knows? It’s just normal workload that you get it.”
Did Phil Hughes’ troubles last year raise concerns about Pineda?
“I didn’t necessarily feel that way,” Girardi said. “Looking at Phil’s situation and looking at this I didn’t feel there was going to be a correlation, I didn’t. People’s bodies always respond different. Everyone’s different. I don’t think you can put, you know, any two human bodies in the same, you know, this is the reason it happened. Everyone is different.”
Do you buy into an innings jump leading to something like this?
“I do,” Girardi said. “I think there is something to it. I think you have to be careful. You have to protect players as they are maturing physically and making innings jumps, because a lot of time it’s the wear and tear over time that really hits you. If you ran a mile, mile, mile and then you went out and ran a marathon, you’re probably not going to feel the same as if you ran a mile. So you try to gradually increase just like you would with any activity.”
The injury could be the product of workload, or altered mechanics, or it could be normal wear and tear. The diminished velocity could be a byproduct of the soreness, a cause of the soreness, or it could a coinciding issue with no cause-effect relationship. The only thing to do now and is give Pineda time to heal and search for answers then.
On a bright note, Bichette came up for the day. Hit bombs on the 1st two pitches he saw.
Saturday notes: Bichette’s big day with the big leaguers
When he looked into the stands, Joe Girardi saw his old friend Dante Bichette holding a video camera. When he looked onto the the field, Girardi saw Dante Bichette Jr. rounding the bases.
Could he imagine the feeling of ever watching his own son hit two home runs in a big league spring training game? Girardi leaned back and smiled.
“Hopefully I’ll get that chance,” he said.
This afternoon, Bichette Jr. came up from minor league camp to get a couple of at-bats against the Astros. First time he went to the plate, he swung at the first pitch and hit a wind-aided home run to right. Second time he went to the plate, he again swung at the first pitch, and hit a legitimate shot to center field.
“I was lucky to make contact with the first two swings, and they went pretty far,” Bichette Jr. said. “I’m happy with that. I was just trying to hit the ball, that’s all. … Family is the world to me, so my Mom and Dad here is everything. It’s a family effort, everything that’s happened so far, so having them here is perfect.”
Bichette Jr. grew up 20 minutes from this ballpark and played here in high school. Hard to imagine he ever had a day quite like this one, though. The wind got harsh as a line of bad weather moved through the area, and that helped the two teams combine for nine home runs. Bichette’s first was a product of that wind. The second one surely got some help, but he hit it pretty hard.
“It was pretty special,” Girardi said. “The second one, he really hit. Seeing his mom and dad, who we’ve been close to for a long time, his little brother; they played on this field a lot. They greew up in the area, so he’s been on this field. It’s pretty neat.”
Did Girardi say anything to Bichette Jr. in the dugout?
“I don’t know, honestly,” Bichette Jr. said. “I don’t remember any of them. It was kind of surreal.”
• If you missed it in the game post, the Yankees final diagnosis of Cesar Cabral is a stress fracture in his olecranon (essentially the tip of his elbow). Girardi said it’s the same injury Warner Madrigal had last spring, and an injury Jonathan Albaladejo had at one point. “It’s frustrating because he had a really good camp for us,” Girardi said. “I can’t tell you what was going to happen, but he had a good camp for us.”
• Francisco Cervelli was taken out of the game after being hit by a pitch in the forearm, but he’s fine. Girardi said there are no concerns about it.
• Certainly the conditions didn’t help, but Adam Warren conceded that he “just wasn’t sharp” this afternoon. He allowed six runs on 10 hits through 5.2 innings. He walked none and struck out three, but said his command was bad from the very beginning. He did feel better as the game progressed, he said. Four of those runs came in the second inning.
• Girardi on Warren: “I thought he threw the ball better than the numbers indicated. It’s a windy day, an extremely fast infield — not great conditions to be a pitcher here. I thought he threw the ball better than what it indicated.”
• The game was called in the middle of the ninth inning because of steady rain. Each team agreed there was no sense taking the risk of injury. “We just said, ‘If it starts raining any harder, we don’t want to get anyone hurt,’” Girardi explained. “It kind of stopped a little bit, they put down some Diamond Dry, and then it started raining hard again. So, that’s it.”
• Clay Rapada gave up a home run to a lefty today, but it was hit to right field, where the wind was carrying fly balls over the wall. Hard to think the Yankees make too much of that.
• Raul Ibanez now has three home runs in his past five games. He’s also raised his spring batting average more than 100 points in that time.
• Curtis Granderson went 3-for-3 to raise his spring average to .381. He’s looked really good at the plate from the very beginning of spring. … Bichette, Ibanez, Robinson Cano and Mark Teixeira each had two-hit games. … Jose Gil got a start and had another hit. A 1-for-4 day dropped his spring average to .455. … Doug Bernier also had another hit and is having a nice spring of his own. He’s hitting .344 and has played very good defense all over the infield, particularly at short. … Preston Claiborne got in the game and pitched the final two innings for the Yankees. He allowed two runs, one of them on a homer.
• After the game, the Yankees got back on the bus to go to Tampa. When they get back, the guy who are making the road trip to play the Marlins will join their teammates for a flight to Miami. Tomorrow is a day game followed by a night game on Monday. I’m going to hit the road myself. Long drive ahead of me.
I'm a geek about new ballparks/arenas, 2 exhibitions with the Marlins at their new ballpark so probably will have an opening day regular season feel today
Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Robinson Cano 2B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Nick Swisher RF
Raul Ibanez DH
Russell Martin C
Brett Gardner LF
LHP CC Sabathia
Damn, wish I was down there. We originally had a group of 5 guys going to make a trip to follow the Yankees from Friday-Monday of this weekend but it all fell apart, one guy at a time. Will be tuned in for today's game.
Getting started in Miami
Still have to see how this place plays, but my first impressions of the new Marlins stadium are mostly positive. I haven’t been around the councourse or in the seats, but things seem pretty open and I like the backdrop with the city skyline visible beyond left field. There’s a huge video board in right-center field and some sort of jumping Marlin cartoon-type sculpture in left-center. Parts of it look goofy, but it’s not as over-the-top as I was expecting.
Here’s the lineup for today. Looks like Opening Day…
Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Robinson Cano 2B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Nick Swisher RF
Raul Ibanez DH
Russell Martin C
Brett Gardner LF
LHP CC Sabathia
Sounds like a home game for the Yankees.
nice looking ballpark, love the view out in left field of Downtown Miami
they said they capped sales for this game at 25K, guess to have it a little below a sellout while they are working out any problems they run into
Yea, looks good on TV outside of the county fair thing in left center. Really not a fan of the lime green walls, either. Skyline through the windows looks good, though.
And yea, they capped it at 25k today. 30k tomorrow. Let's be honest, though, they won't have many 25k games this year. They aren't used to handling more and probably didn't want to have to up staff for 2 games.