Official Boxing Thread: Tyson Fury - Deontay Wilder III TONIGHT 10/9 on ESPN+ PPV

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  1. RJF-GUMP

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    I should clarify , Fury imo is a top 25 HW of all time, not P4P
     
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  2. SC

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    I think you’re underrating Fury. He does things as a HW that we haven’t really seen guys at his size do. He can box, he can move. He’s got power, and he’s got multiple ways he can win fights.

    Two wins over perhaps the most fearsome puncher we’ve ever seen, a win over Wlad, two wins over Chisora and his Otto Wallin win has begun to age well.
     
  3. wes tegg

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    That Otto Wallin fight was awesome. Fury was about a round away from a stoppage from the cut above his eye.
     
  4. SC

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    Very excited for Wallin-Whyte here at the end of the month. Feels like a defining fight for both guys.
     
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  6. SC

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    Kind of defeats the whole purpose of having DAZN. The premise was pay a monthly fee that’s cheaper than PPV’s and get the big fights. DAZN must be hurting money wise.
     
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  7. RJF-GUMP

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    What's the next exciting major fight?
     
  8. Redav

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    Canelo-Plant Nov 6 I think
     
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  9. RJF-GUMP

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    Haven't watched any Plant fights. Watched most of Canelo's big fights. He hits hard for his weight class.
     
  10. Redav

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    Canelo is incredible and the best p4p boxer on the planet by a decent margin imo
     
  11. RJF-GUMP

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    Would love to see Fury v AJ. Would also love to see AJ v Wilder
     
  12. wes tegg

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    My brother boxes at Plant's gym in Vegas.
     
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    Canelo v. Plant Closed Circuit Telecast
    Sat • Nov 06 • 6:00 PM
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    $125.00 ea + Fees
     
  14. RJF-GUMP

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    Just watched the Fury Wallin fight because yall brought it up. What a hell of a fight. Pretty even through maybe the first 3-4 rounds. Wallin opens up the huge cut. Fury pounds him from about round 4-5 through round 12. In those rounds Fury is just the bigger man and is teeing off on Wallin. Wallin had nothing for Fury in those rounds. Then randomly in the last round Wallin landed a big shot and hurt Fury and then capitalized on that. I think it underscores the fact that you have to box Fury, you have to have good boxing skills, you can't just rely on big punches like Wilder. I think that was also illustrated in AJ v Usyk. A smaller guy can win. Usyk was excellent in using angle and continuing to move around AJ. Wilder typically just stood there , not using any head movement, not using the ring, not feinting , etc. Ultimately Fury was just a much better boxer. I think AJ v Fury would be an excellent fight because AJ is the only heavyweight contender with the requisite combination of size and strength + boxing skills
     
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  15. RJF-GUMP

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    Who has Dillian Whyte beat that is worth a shit?
     
  16. Redav

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    Joseph Parker is prob his best win
     
  17. SC

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    Yeah, Parker and two over Chisora, one more clear than the other.
     
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    Never been much of a boxing guy but after illegally streaming Saturday's extravaganza I've been going down the youtube rabbit hole and I'm actually pretty excited to loosely follow the heavyweight division at the moment
     
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  19. toddzo

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    Fury would beat the piss out of AJ
     
  20. wes tegg

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    Whatever the round total is, I'm taking the under on AJ v. Fury. Fury would absolutely murder him.
     
  21. Redav

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    I'll be interested in how the rematch goes but AJ looked awful against Usyk and I think Wilder and Fury would beat him easily
     
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  22. SC

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    The AJ that beat Wlad could give Fury a really tough fight. I just don’t think that version of AJ exists anymore.
     
  23. Redav

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    Yeah I don't really get it. Maybe he needs a new trainer? Could he have lost a step at 32? But that was by far the worst I've ever seen him look against Usyk. I was baffled
     
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  24. wes tegg

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    I think he's timid now after the first Ruiz fight. He's fighting smaller guys like a smaller guy. If he fought Fury like that, he wouldn't make it through 6.
     
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  25. Redav

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    Yeah that's prob a fair point
     
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  26. wes tegg

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    I kind of hope Wilder retires, even though I know he won't. It's going to be tough to watch him fight without the killer instinct that made him so much fun to watch.
     
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  27. Gallant Knight

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    How many come back from the savage beating he took to look like something close to their former selves? Im guessing not many
     
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  28. Redav

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    Wes kind of touched on it but most fighters aren't the same after they've been knocked out
     
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  29. Redav

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    Lennox Lewis did it but he's one of the goat
     
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    I know most boxers are ducking awful with money but I’m guessing both wilder and AJ have made 9 figures?
     
  31. wes tegg

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    The only heavyweight I can think of who got KO'ed early in his career and still made something of it was John Ruiz.
     
  32. Redav

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    AJ has made 9. Not sure if Wilder has but maybe
     
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  33. Redav

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    Wilder has prob definitely made 9 the more I think about it
     
  34. SC

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    I think it’s all encompassing. A new trainer would be a good start, he’s been a mess tactically the last few times out. Credit to Deontay, he changed trainers and fought a better fight Saturday because of it, even in a loss. AJ could take some notes.

    But he also isn’t the same physically which probably limits some of what he can do. Early on he was this combination of a Greek God build wise with tons of athleticism. Now? He’s become the same flat-footed, lumbering big man heavyweight that he was supposed to make extinct. Can that be reversed? I really don’t know.
     
  35. RJF-GUMP

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    How many years does Fury have left in him. He's 33 years old. I'd say he has a few years left of good boxing.
     
  36. wes tegg

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    I bet he fights until he dies. I also don't expect him to live much past 50.
     
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    Depends on if you consider Lennox Lewis early in his career when he got ko'ed by Oliver Mccall. Tua's ko of Ruiz was absolutely nuts.
     
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  38. Daniel Ocean

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    I think Wilder might be the 2nd best heavyweight. Honestly IDK who besides Fury gets up from the KD in the first fight or the 2 in this last one. I am not sure who beats him besides Fury.
     
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  39. RJF-GUMP

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    How would Ali or George Foreman in his prime compare to Fury if they hypothetically fought? Neither Ali or Foreman fought anyone close to 6'9 or anyone with the combination of size, power, and athleticism as Fury. You could make a case that Fury is way up the list of all time Heavyweights. Problem is he just hasn't fought enough quality opponents compared to the guys in the 60s and 70s . I wonder what a Lennox Lewis v Fury fight would have looked like
     
  40. Gallant Knight

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    Not sure but they both would’ve made infinite money with that fight at wembley probably
     
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  41. Redav

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    Fury would get knocked out by Foreman.
     
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  42. RJF-GUMP

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    Foreman in his prime was such a destructive force. I don't know that anyone ever had more power than him. Crazy that Ali beat him.
     
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    Prime Foreman is the scariest fighter I've ever seen
     
  44. Redav

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    Dude almost killed Joe Frazier
     
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  45. RJF-GUMP

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    It is crazy how badly Foreman destroyed Frazier who was a complete animal and top 5 HW all time
     
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    And was undefeated and undisputed at the time!

    Then he did the same thing to Ken Norton.

    I have no idea how Ali ever beat him
     
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  47. RJF-GUMP

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    The Foreman Lyle fight is one of the most brutal heavyweight fights of all time.
     
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  48. Daniel Ocean

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    I think Ali and Foreman would be too small Ali would give up 70 pounds and 6 inches Foreman probably 40-50 and 5 inches. They are both better boxers than Fury and Wilder but the size difference would be too much to overcome imo. I think Lewis beats him shit I the klitschko brothers beat him in their primes.
     
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  49. SC

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    TV crew called this on the broadcast when he started holding his right hand mid-fight.
     
  50. wes tegg

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    He's a tough motherfucker.