Going to depend on what they do with Saad. If they give him a bridge deal and can keep his salary in the 3's, they may not have to lose any of the group 1 guys. That said, regardless next year is going to be a rebuild year. It may be a good time to grab assets for a guy like Sharp or Seabrook that may not have much left 2 years from now. Although the team hasn't done well, look at some of the guys Philly got when they moved Richards and Carter.
Finally have our best roster out there. Really wish Q would stop playing Rozy and Keith together though.
I would think the hawks want to sign saad to a full term. If they do a bridge hell cost that much more in two years if they want to hang on to him
The expectation is that the cap will continue to rise too though, so when they go to resign him again in two years they'll have more ability to give him a bigger deal. Seabrook and Sharp's current deals will have expired in the next 2 years as well and both are on almost $6m per.
That's true, but it's nowhere near a certainty. Look at this year. Blues are in a similar spot w Tarasenko Although who knows what the roster will look like next year
Right, really it depends on the short term vs long term view. If the Hawks think they can keep most of their team together and make another run over the next 2 years than you sign Saad short term and deal with it when he goes to free agency. If you think next year is going to be a rebuild year than you try to sign him for 5-6 years like the Islanders did with Leddy.
Pete Jensen @NHLJensen Only players with at least a point in five different games this postseason: #Blackhawks' Patrick Kane & #Isles' John Tavares. http://www.csnchicago.com/blackhawks/blackhawks-desjardins-hoping-friends-nepal-found-safe
Hawks got nothing out of Shaw and Bickell last series. That's going to have to change if they're going to beat Minnesota. I think Bickell on the 2nd line and Shaw on the 4th should help a lot.
No, you absolutely want to lock up Saad long term right now. Coming off a bridge deal, Hossa will be retiring with a potential 4.5M cap recapture and Teravainen will be due a raise, Seabrooks new contract will be fresh and Hjalmarsson's contract would be due up soon. Take your medicine now and sign him for 5Mx6 years and deal with it.
wonder what kind of package would be out there for Sharp? (can't see us trading Crawford, but tbh I kinda like that better if we aren't getting anything for Sharp) I'd like to see Tallon offer up something sweet
one option is he plays until he is 40, suffers a career ending injury, and we place him on LTIR to avoid cap penalty?
You sure about that? The way his contract is structured you can very obviously see that in 2010 he wanted to retire in 2017. That's when his salary dives to 1M. I'd put the chances at very slim that a dude with $100M in the bank will play for $1M as a 39 year old, much less 4 years at 1M/season.
He's 36 but in absurd shape. Could easily see him playing 3 more years. However old guys seem to fall off a cliff so his decline might be sudden.
I don't think Hossa is in absurd shape. His back is shot. Said two years ago that his legs will randomly go numb on him from back pain. If I'm Marian Hossa I'm getting the fuck out with my 4 concussions and busted back when I have 100M in the bank and my salary is down to 1M. Fuck that noise. All these old guys take their small salaries with big bonuses. Selanne, Iginla, Jagr. Hossa's contract fucks him out of being able to play.
So say Hossa does retire when his contract is down to 1m... what type of penalty are the Hawks looking at?
For those unfamiliar with the way salary cap recapture works, here’s a synopsis (and this rule only applies to pre-CBA contracts of six years or longer). It basically means that for every year a player’s salary cap number (the average annual value of his contract, or AAV) is lower than his actual salary, the difference is held in reserve. This number compounds every year, so if the player retires before the expiration of his contract, that difference is divided by the number of unused years remaining on the contract, and then it is applied to the remaining years the contract would’ve been in place. In Hossa’s case, the numbers break down like this (and remember, the “penalty” counts against the salary cap EVERY year until the contract would have expired, so if he were to retire in 2015, the Hawks would have a $2.6 million cap penalty for six years. The numbers are in millions): Year SalaryCap Hit Diff. "Benefit" Penalty 2015-16 7.9 5.3 2.6 18.2 3.64 2016-17 4 5.3 0 18.2 4.55 2017-18 1 5.3 0 18.2 6.066666667 2018-19 1 5.3 0 18.2 9.1 2019-20 0.75 5.3 0 18.2 3.75 2020-21 0.75 5.3 0 18.2 0
Hossa is not going to fuck the team that he won multiple cups on and will go into the hall of fame as a member of. If anything he'll come up with some injury excuse and go on ltir every year until his contract is up
Bettman wont want to block the LTIR if its concussion concerns. Too much negative press with impending lawsuits against the league for CTE.
Of course he'd love to do that. He gets paid then. If he retires healthy, he loses out on the 1M per year he'd get on LTIR. In practice, the LTIR will be put under a huge microscope. Also, in no way is Hossa retiring when he wants fucking the Blackhawks. No chance he looks at it that way. He signed a contract, not his fault the rule changed retroactively.
Agreed, the concussions is what the Hawks would use. I'd fucking dare Bettman to force Hossa to play when he is complaining about concussion symptoms. Good luck with that Gary. But chances are, he won't even be commissioner then. Sounds like he's retiring in 2017.
who thinks we are beating Minnesota? If Q actually rolls out those lines then I could talk myself into it. Just thinking its the Wild's time to take the next step.
WILD vs. BLACKHAWKS The season series exemplifies the Wild season to perfection — pre-Dubnyk and post-Dubnyk. The Wild went 0-3 against the Blackhawks before acquiring goalie Devan Dubnyk on Jan. 14 and were outscored 13-6. The Wild went 2-0 against the Blackhawks after acquiring Dubnyk, outscoring the Blackhawks 5-1 and clinching a playoff spot in Chicago on April 7. Vital stats Wild’s all-time regular-season record vs. Blackhawks: 32-22-3 (18-10-1 at Xcel Energy Center, 14-12-2 at United Center). Wild’s all-time playoff record vs. Blackhawks: 3-8 (3-2 at Xcel Energy Center, 0-6 at United Center). Wild lost to the Blackhawks in the 2013 conference quarterfinals and 2014 conference semifinals. Playoff appearances: Wild’s sixth since 2000-01 (three in a row, no championships); Blackhawks’ 60th since 1926-27, seven in a row, five championships, including 2010 and 2013). 2014-15 meetings Dec. 16 at Chicago: Blackhawks 5, Wild 3 With Niklas Backstrom in net, the Wild jumped out to a 1-0 lead on Thomas Vanek’s goal, but Chicago scored three times in the second period on goals by Brent Seabrook, Marian Hossa and Jonathan Toews. Nino Niederreiter and Marco Scandella scored in the third to tie the score, but Erik Haula took a late penalty and Patrick Kane scored the winner with 3:28 left, on the subsequent power play. Jan. 8 at Minnesota: Blackhawks 4, Wild 2 With Darcy Kuemper injured, Backstrom was in net again and the Wild fell behind early for a sixth consecutive game and never caught up. Patrick Sharp and Kane scored first-period goals and Bryan Bickell, who has 15 goals in the past 22 regular-season and playoff games against the Wild, scored twice in the third period. Jan. 11 at Chicago: Blackhawks 4, Wild 1 This was the second-to-last game in the pre-Dubnyk era. The Wild and Backstrom struggled mightily as Hossa, Bickell, Brad Richards and Johnny Oduya scored to give Chicago a 4-0 lead by the end of two periods. After the game, there were gloomy quotes by Ryan Suter saying, “I don’t know what the heck is going on, but every day’s a bad day right now.” Feb. 3 at Minnesota: Wild 3, Blackhawks 0 With 24 saves, Dubnyk picked up his third shutout in eight starts with the Wild, which got goals from Mikko Koivu, Jason Zucker and Mikael Granlund. Dubnyk said, “That was just an incredible game by our guys,” and coach Mike Yeo said the Wild probably hadn’t played a better game this season: “Hopefully, that’s a sign of things to come.” April 7 at Chicago: Wild 2, Blackhawks 1 Granlund and Zucker scored third-period goals and Dubnyk made 33 saves as the Wild clinched a playoff spot for a third consecutive year. The first person to congratulate the Wild coaching staff after the game was Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville. Said Yeo: “This was only one step. We have bigger plans. I’m very, very proud of our guys for what they overcame.” MICHAEL RUSSO
This makes a lot more sense. I know he's had some concussions, just wonder if there is enough medical evidence they could display to prove it. Like you said though, it's such a third rail issue for them they'd probably not contest any claim about concussions.
John BuccigrossVerified account@Buccigross John Buccigross retweeted #MissionAccomplished 3-5 John Buccigross added, #MissionAccomplished @black_whiter @Buccigross how many years until Patrick Kane is a Sabre?
David Kaplan @thekapman I’m hearing the Wild/Blackhawks series will start Friday at 8:30 and Sunday at 7:30.
Elliotte FriedmanVerified account@FriedgeHNIC Hearing free-agent F Artem Panarin, who led KHL champion St. Petersburg in scoring, is getting close to joining the Chicago Blackhawks. I'd say this is a big deal
Holy shit. When I posted about Panarin it was a pipe dream. He can completely replace Sharp. That is unreal. This essentially confirms that Sharp/Bickell are the moves this offseason. Didn't expect such huge news today.
I have no opinion on this signing. Why wasn't think guy drafted by a NHL team? The Hawks can't sign him to a big deal so why would he sign here?
idk, he played in 2011 World Juniors so def had chance to be scouted. When is the last time Stan messed with a russian? http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/fierce-battle-american-phenom-matthews/ he had 26 goals and 62 points this year, assuming he played opposite of Kovalchuk. 20 goals and 40 points last year. KHL season is like 55 games.
The conversion rate for points is .83 on KHL to NHL transfers. That puts Panarin at 78 points in the NHL. I won't go that far but I think he's a lock for 45-55.
Opening in the top 6 for a LW. He will be paid the same anywhere he goes so it's about situation. Can't do much better than playing with Patrick Kane or Toews. No idea why he wasn't drafted. Looks like a late bloomer. The Russian Tyler Johnson perhaps.
The bigger wild card is Panarin, 23, who trails Alexander Radulov by three points for the KHL scoring lead, though Radulov has played 12 fewer games. Panarin’s ability tantalizes, as he can rack up points, he’s fast and he has natural scoring ability. The most rabid Panarin fans compare his shifty skill set to Patrick Kane’s. Panarin’s 5-foot-11, 170-pound frame faces an uphill climb, however, as he’s not used to the more physical North American game on an NHL-sized ice surface. Panarin also lacks international experience at the highest level. He’s never represented Russia at the worlds or the Olympics, though he did make the 2011 world junior squad. He offers greater boom-bust potential than Tikhonov. Higher ceiling, lower floor. The report claims at least 10 NHL teams have expressed interest in Panarin already. It will be interesting to see if Tikhonov and Panarin try to sign with the same team, as the two have played well as linemates with SKA before. TASS’ source puts Tikhonov’s odds of bolting for the NHL at 95 percent, while Panarin will decide his fate at season’s end. Ex-KHL president Alexander Medvedev, now the chairman of SKA’s board of directors, stated he still hopes to re-sign both players. - his contract is up on the 30th
925k for 2 years, they will almost definitely max out his bonuses so the Hawks would need about 2M in space to keep his bonuses from carrying over.