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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Illinihockey, Apr 9, 2015.
They hit on both reclamation projects last year.
Hopefully it’s 3 for 3.
Also what they going to do with Ansimov
That tweet is idiot fodder.
Also not thrilled with the deal. Nylander has pedigree but not a lot of results. Think they believe Mitchell and Bovqist have passed joker
Isn’t Mitchell far from a sure thing to even be on this roster at any point
He hasn't signed yet. I suspect he'll finish his season, sign his ELC and burn a year off of it. There's always a chance he goes back for his senior year and then becomes a free agent.
By Scott Powers 7h ago 27
Blackhawks development camp is three days down with a few to go. With the lone scrimmage still ahead, there’s plenty of time for prospects to emerge and make themselves known. But for now, here are 15 things we’ve learned so far in camp:
1. You should be excited about Kirby Dach’s future. He’s not going to play in the NHL next season for many reasons, particularly because the Blackhawks aren’t likely to create that path for him. Even if he did shine in Traverse City and training camp, I don’t get the sense Jeremy Colliton is as impulsive as Joel Quenneville with young players. Henri Jokiharju is a great example of that. But Dach is more skilled than I probably expected. He’s long and simply smooth with the puck. You can see he has a ton of potential to tap into. He’s by far one of the most skilled players on the ice this week, and it’s easy for him to shine in the development camp setting, where it’s a lot of individual drills, one-on-one and two-on-two situations. We’ll learn more about him in the scrimmage and much more in Traverse City and training camp. Still, you can be hopeful the Blackhawks drafted a special one.
2. Adam Boqvist is another player who excels in this setting. He’s special with the puck. He has such a unique shot for a defenseman. He looks a little bigger and more confident attacking and pursuing the puck defensively than a year ago. Stan Bowman mentioned the use of Boqvist’s stick on Wednesday. That’s certainly something Mark Eaton and Brian Campbell emphasize with him. With Boqvist, it comes down to how he defends in a five-on-five game setting, how he reads situations and whether he can hold his own battling for a loose puck on the boards, taking hits and being able to move players from the front of the net. He struggled in those areas for much of last season in London. We’ll get a better sense of whether he’s making strides there in the coming months.
3. I’d put money on Boqvist starting next season in Rockford. Honestly, it’s probably best for him to play as much as he can against bigger and stronger players and be under the constant direction of the Blackhawks’ development staff. He’s going to take his lumps and make some mistakes, but it’s better than another season in junior, and the Blackhawks can give him immediate feedback. Bowman seemed to be leaning that way too.
“He would either be in junior or a pro,” Bowman said Tuesday. “Once he’s a professional, then he’s in training camp like everyone else. I think we’re probably leaning towards that; I don’t know that we’ve made any declarations that’s what he’s going to do. In talking to Adam, I think he wants to take that next step. It’s probably looking like that, but nothing’s been determined for sure.”
4. Ian Mitchell will benefit from another year in college, but I don’t believe he needs it. I think he could get more from a season in the AHL. He might not be completely ready for the grind of pro hockey, but few young defensemen are. The way you get there sometimes is just going through it and experiencing the ups and downs that come with it. I could envision how someone like Mitchell could begin next season in the AHL and end up with the Blackhawks in the NHL later on. The Blackhawks defense should be better in the defensive zone considering who they added in the offseason, but I question whether the group will be as aggressive as Colliton would like defending the blue line. Mitchell is someone who could be molded into what Colliton wants as a defenseman. All that said, Mitchell does seem firm in his decision to return to Denver for another season.
5. Alex Vlasic is so different than the defensemen the Blackhawks have drafted in recent years. He’s just so big and strong. The Blackhawks have to be hopeful he can be the perfect pairing for someone like Boqvist or Mitchell after he spends a couple of years at Boston University.
Vlasic trains with Brian Keane sometimes, and I talked to Keane about him recently.
“Certainly his size and skating ability are really good,” Keane said. “I think he has room to grow with his skating, and physicality, too. He’s a really interesting prospect. I think he’s going to turn into a player in the future there. His decision-making with the puck will come with time and experience. He’ll continue to build on his defensive play. He’s a really special athlete for his size and how he can move.”
6. Philipp Kurashev can beat defenders in so many ways. He has a quick first step that seems to surprise defensemen. He’s blown by a few of them this week. He’s also crafty with the puck and understands how to create separation. From what I saw in Rockford at the end of the season, he can benefit from some time in the AHL and going up against stronger players. But he definitely has a chance in the near future to be another top-nine option.
Alex Nylander was recently acquired from the Buffalo Sabres. (Scott Powers / The Athletic)
7. Alex Nylander doesn’t look like he belongs at development camp, and that’s a good thing. He’s been playing pro hockey the past three years and has some NHL games under his belt, and that’s been obvious this week. He’s more physically mature than a lot of the players, and he has more skill than a lot of them, too. He’s flourished in the drills. It’s not about whether he’s better than the Blackhawks prospects on the ice this week, but whether he can beat out the likes of Brendan Perlini, Dominik Kubalik, Dylan Sikura, Aleksi Saarela, Anton Wedin and a few others for the final few NHL spots that will be available out of training camp. I wouldn’t lean one way or the other at this point. He’s definitely skilled.
8. The Blackhawks probably don’t have many top-six players in their pipeline right now, but there are a lot of potential role players. I look at Brandon Hagel, Reese Johnson, MacKenzie Entwistle and a few others at camp and see players who can help the Blackhawks in bottom-six roles in the next few seasons. The Blackhawks seem deeper in that respect.
9. The Blackhawks especially seem to have solid center depth organizationally. You have Jonathan Toews, Dylan Strome, David Kampf and Ryan Carpenter in the NHL next season. Kurashev, Johnson, Matthew Highmore, John Quenneville and Jacob Nilsson provide depth options. Beyond that, Dach should be ready in a year. Evan Barratt has a chance to be a solid bottom-six center and should turn pro after next season. Jake Wise is worth keeping an eye on at Boston University the next few years, too.
10. It’s too bad Niklas Nordgren wasn’t able to get on the ice this week. I think he’s a forward who has the potential to be an offensive difference-maker in the coming years. He battled injuries this past season. He needs to stay healthy and remain in Finland’s top division next season.
11. Cole Moberg and Antti Saarela haven’t been practicing most of the week with the Blackhawks’ top prospects, but they’ve been noticeable in the second group. Both were draft picks this past June. Moberg has size at 6-foot-3 and seems to be solid on his skates and with the puck. Saarela, who is the younger brother of Aleksi, skates really well.
12. With Jokiharju out of the picture, it’ll be interesting to see who the Blackhawks call upon from Rockford next season. Carl Dahlstrom might end up there again and would probably be the front-runner just because of his experience. After him, though, there should be a lot of competition. Nicolas Beaudin and Chad Krys, who have both been good in camp this week, add to that, too. Both probably need some time with the IceHogs, but there’s a path for them to the NHL.
13. There are a number of prospects who are going to have to take steps in the next few years if they want an NHL contract. Ryan Shea, Jake Ryczek and Mathias From’s draft rights expire in 2020. The following year, Josh Ess and Roope Laavainen’s rights are set to expire.
14. It doesn’t sound like the Blackhawks have much communication with goalie prospect Wouter Peeters any longer. He isn’t attending camp this week, and his draft rights expire in June 2020. The Blackhawks were obviously more hopeful about his potential after drafting him in the third round in 2016.
15. The Blackhawks’ Russian prospects don’t attend the development camp because of their KHL contracts. I asked Bowman about those prospects Tuesday. He especially highlighted Artur Kayumov. I think Kayumov will sign with the Blackhawks after next season. I also made sure to ask about the possibility of signing Maxim Shalunov and Ivan Nalimov. Bowman said: “Yeah, they’re further down the development curve, though. They’re older. They’ve shown they can play in the KHL. So I think, contractually, that’s the challenge with them. They have contracts and they’re locked in. But I think as they’re getting to the point where they’re not locked in, then we’ll have longer discussions about seeing if they’re ready to play in the NHL.” Personally, I don’t think Nalimov will ever sign, but I think Shalunov is still a possibility for the 2020-21 season.
Dach should absolutely be given a chance to make the team. Sending him to destroy a bunch of kids in juniors is a waste of time. Mitchell is a dumb fuck. Nylander is going to make the team out of camp.
That article goes against everything I have read about Dach and his shot at making the roster.
Dach and Bovqist both really standing out. Nylander might just actually suck
Nylander has had fantastic reviews to this point. It’s a bit early for the take
Bovquist gonna fuck around and make the Hawks this season.
He's 20 with NHL experience playing against a bunch of prospects, he should be dominating like Dach and Bovqist are.
Well in that case. Let’s cut him. He’s not dominating a practice session
They need to give Seabrook Hossa's old equipment
He's not dominated anywhere, thats kind of the problem
Any chance Seattle selects Seabrook in the draft? Lol
I’m not going to speak on his time with Buffalo but he’s gotten very strong reviews about his time at the Hawks prospect camp. I’m not saying he’s awesome, I’m simply saying take the high and lows in stride. It’s practice.
Fucking sucks Dach got hurt in a stupid ass tournament he didn't need to play in.
Apparently all the hits our guys took in that tournament where bullshit, illegal and cheap.
Dach I believe was slated for the 3rd line center.
Bovqist, Nylander, and Dach all need to make the roster out of camp. Don't roll out bums like Koekkoek, Perlini, Quenville.
Debrincat took a 3 yr bridge at 6.4 AAV
Strome is up next
If he got that, I'd offer Strome 3.5-4 x 3 years
Team got dominated in the face off circle and they continue to look lost on defense.
nice having Shaw back active in front of the net
Patrick Kane roughing penalty lol
been creating soo many chances, finally knock another one in.
This defense blows dick...
that was a slick touch and go with Kane-Strome
But fuck can this team score.
Heading to the Blackhawks - Bkue Jackets game next Friday, and maybe Caps in Sunday. Anything I need to going to a game there? Plan on uber-int to and from the arena. Haven’t bought ticket here but looking to sit in the 100 level somewhere on Friday
Gonna be hard to make the playoffs when you need to score 6 goals a game to win.
Pregame at parlor or WestEnd. WestEnd has a free shuttle to the game every half hour. Lot of great food options in Fulton market and West Loop afterwards.
Also Standard is still the city’s best LSU bar
Love that Bovqist can’t make this fucking blue line
Defenseman can't get the puck out of the zone... yet this kid somehow is not on the team.
This is so fucking stupid. Perlini blows. He had like a ten day unreal run and played like shit the rest of the season.
De Haan is back... thank goodness
By Scott Powers 1h ago 4
At the mention of hockey analytics, a smile spread on Blackhawks general manager Stan Bowman’s face.
We were sitting outside his suite at the United Center prior to a preseason game last month. We had already talked about many topics, including Alex DeBrincat’s contract, something he would swiftly resolve just weeks later. He was engaged throughout the interview, but he seemed even more so when analytics was broached.
The specific question was about how other NHL teams appeared to be increasingly focused on analytics, and I was curious about where he felt the Blackhawks were organizationally in that department, as well as his general mindset. It’s not something that’s openly discussed very often.
As you’ll soon read, Bowman said a lot, but also very little. That wasn’t by mistake.
“Nobody’s asked me about that in a while. That’s interesting,” Bowman said, smiling. “I think we’re at the forefront. I don’t know if I am. I look at what we’re doing. I don’t talk about what we’re doing. There are some teams in the league who have essentially copied everything we’ve done the last 4-5 years. If we hire somebody to do something, they’ll hire somebody for the exact same role.
“I think what we do analytics-wise is very in-depth. It’s different and it’s extremely detailed and it’s very useful and it’s different than what’s out there to the public. I’m not trying to be difficult or coy about it, but I feel like if I explained everything we’re doing … I think it’s an advantage we have over other teams, but then I lose the advantage if other teams start doing it. Now, I can’t prove I’m right. I’m just telling you my feelings. I’ve seen what other people do. I’ve looked into it. We’ve done a lot of research on what other people are tracking and what they’re studying, and I look at what we’re doing and it’s different. I believe it’s ahead of them. But I don’t like to give specifics on them because I just know what some other teams have done as far as replicating what we’ve done. I think it’s an advantage. The less I talk about it, it’ll remain an advantage. I put a lot of time into it. We don’t really list out who we have working in it. We’ve got a big group of people working.”
Asked how many people worked in their analytics department, Bowman said “several.” Publicly, it’s one. Under the Blackhawks’ hockey operations and scouting staff listing, Andrew Contis is a hockey analyst/video coach. He began with the Blackhawks as a hockey operations intern in 2014 and has been in his current role for the last four-plus years.
One other known name is Richard Coleman, whom the Blackhawks have used for many years as a consultant, according to a source. He founded Coleman Analytics Inc. during the 2005-06 season. Former Blackhawks general manager Mike Smith mentioned Coleman and his company in this story in 2009. It’s believed the Blackhawks are among Coleman’s main clients now.
I talked to a handful of people who have worked in analytics for other NHL teams for this story. They spoke on the condition of anonymity. As I discovered, everyone is pretty tight-lipped on this topic.
One league source said, “Chicago has generally been private about who they hire and what they’re doing.”
Another source said, “We rarely hear anything about Chicago from an analytics perspective, even in private. I’m very surprised to hear the claim that they’re in on analytics. I’ve never heard much to support that.”
Considering what Bowman said about where he believes the Blackhawks stand in analytics compared to other teams, some members of other analytics staffs will undoubtedly roll their eyes. It’s a competitive game off the ice as well as on it.
“If they’re putting all those resources into analytics, they’re not listening to their people,” another league source said. “Yada, yada, yada, Brent Seabrook.”
That sort of response comes with the territory of winning three Stanley Cups and now missing the playoffs for two consecutive seasons. There are plenty of people around the league who don’t mind seeing the Blackhawks come down to earth.
The Athletic’s Dom Luszczyszyn also weighed in about the Blackhawks and the analytics he follows.
“They’re one of the worst xG teams, but an OK Corsi team,” Luszczyszyn said. “It’s a big gap. I wonder if they’re better at creating dangerous chances in places that aren’t normally dangerous. Is there a lot of puck movement in the offensive zone? On defense, I mean, they seem to give up the front of the net very easily, so I’m not sure what data they have to be honest.”
Multiple sources backed Bowman’s claim that the Blackhawks had put money, time and people into building up their analytics department.
Bowman wouldn’t get into specifics as much as I asked. But he was willing to generally talk about how the Blackhawks tap into their analytics.
“It’s used in scouting,” Bowman said. “It’s used in trades. It’s used in day-to-day (decisions) with our team, coaching, deployment of players, utilization of players. It’s used in all of those areas. I think we have a real deep … Now it’s not gospel, but I think it’s a nice blend of both. I think we’re in a great place with it.”
Bowman and Blackhawks coach Jeremy Colliton appear to be on the same page about analytics. Joel Quenneville said he was open to analytics when he was Blackhawks coach, but you weren’t always sure his decisions were driven by them. Colliton isn’t basing all of his decisions on analytics, but it’s definitely part of the puzzle for him.
When Colliton and Bowman assessed which players to potentially add to their roster this past offseason, analytics were part of the equation. You can see why the Blackhawks believed they were addressing some needs by acquiring Calvin de Haan, Olli Maatta and Andrew Shaw, among others. Analytics supported those decisions.
“It’s one area I thought we looked at,” Colliton said in Prague. “I don’t think it’s the total picture. I don’t think any one area is making all the decisions. We got a pro scouting group. They do a lot of work. They do a lot of leg work and then we’re watching games. We want to make sure we’re seeing the type of player who we think can help. Of course, we want to know the numbers. Do the numbers add up to what we see on the ice? Kind of put all the pieces together.
“There’s a lot of numbers out there. So I think the challenge is to find out what numbers lead to winning. Probably different people have different ideas as far as what’s important. There are a lot of things that are out there. Some are of value and some I think are not or are limited. We have certain things we focus on. Probably everyone has different ideas. That’s what makes it fun.”
Colliton wouldn’t divulge anything about the Blackhawks’ analytics either.
“You can track anything you want,” Colliton said. “Like anything you can count, you can track. There’s so many things that are out there. But there’s probably no benefit in sharing what we think is important. But I think what we have isn’t necessarily the best, we just think it leads to winning, so that’s our focus.”
Colliton was willing to dive further into what’s important to him on the ice, and you can maybe take something from that. He was asked about how he cultivated his own ideas about analytics.
“You just watch games and you coach games and you’re looking for indicators,” Colliton said. “Who can help us win? Who’s driving the success? Who’s helping us have the puck? Who’s creating chances? Defensively vice versa, who’s not giving up anything? Ultimately, the game is what you get minus what you give up. We want to drive the play. We want to control the play. We want to create more than we give up and then we want to finish. I think we have a team that can capitalize on our chances. But it’s important we want to be tight defensively. Like I said before, we don’t want to be a gambling team. We’re good enough. We just want to control the game. If you play 60 minutes a certain way, hopefully you win more than lose.”
Bowman said the Blackhawks’ use of analytics had evolved, and he thought it would continue to do so.
“It’s going to be even different a year from now,” Bowman said. “I think we’re trying a lot of different things. I think it’s one of the strengths of our organization, is the level of sophistication. It’s a very progressive look at things. We pay attention to what else is out there, but we don’t try to … If there’s something we like, that we aren’t doing, then we’ll implement, but we’ll never just take it, though. We’ll kind of put our own spin on it. That’s just because I think we have a really good rhythm with it.”
Bowman emphasized that he thought analytics were important. He didn’t want that to be confused with his usual silence about the subject.
“I think it’s critical,” Bowman said. “I get asked to go to these conferences all the time. It’s not that I don’t want to go and speak at them. I did one time, like years ago, I think the first year that they had it. They’ve always asked me to come back, but I don’t want to go there if I can’t say anything. I’m not saying I’m better than anybody. I’m not looking for praise. There are some people who are talking about what they do. I think they’re looked upon as being avant-garde. I think we’re way ahead of them, but I’m not looking for credit, which is why I stay quiet about it.”
You can't say you look at analytics and then trade your best defenseman from an analytical standpoint and get Ollie fucking Matta in his place.
At some point need to cut bait on Seabrook. He’s fucking awful.
And for some unknown reason they put Keith and Seabrook on the PP. they couldn’t get the puck into the zone.
Murphy hasn't played the since going off the ice in the 2nd. Might be the reason for the trade. That dude can't stay healthy
Bring up Bovqist you cowards
I’ve been his biggest fan for two years now. It’s insane how they refuse to bring him up even when his biggest asset is the teams largest weakness.
Who wants an elite skating defenseman who can transition the puck out of the zone effortless. Let’s keep trotting our Seabrook!!!
I understand him being a bit undisciplined but I rather take those mistakes from a kid who fix and improve vs guys who have hit the ceiling.
Seabrook a healthy scratch.
... about time