Official Cleveland Cavaliers Thread: Sometimes it Beilein that

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  1. Corch

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    Nug nug nug
     
  2. yaywaffles

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    come on buddy

    love's still here!
     
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  3. Principal McVicker

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    Right now I am team Barrett. He's a potential 25-30 point a night scorer and that would take a lot of pressure off of Sexton, Love, Osman, ect. I also think he's the safest pick. I like Zion but not at 280. I can see him going the way of Tractor Taylor and Oliver Miller.

    That said, if either is on the roster next year, this team will be dramatically better.
     
  4. Principal McVicker

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    Gilbert could be better but he's the devil I know. Some other owner would try to move the team.
     
  5. yaywaffles

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    zion's a freak athlete, so it's hard to see him going down a tractor traylor path, but i do worry a bit about him being a tweener. he's 6'6 and currently shooting 25% from 3 (on just over 1 attempt per game). he'll probably be fine, but barrett's probably the safer pick.

    would be happy with either
     
  6. Nandor The Relentless

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    Zion is strong and athletic enough to be a 4 or a small ball 5 in today's NBA. He can't shoot worth a shit like Draymond and they are about the same size but Zion far more athletic than Draymond. He's got a 6'10" wingspan.
     
    #2456 Nandor The Relentless, Nov 22, 2018
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  7. HotMic

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  8. BuckeyeRiot

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    Soooo nothing, not surprising.
     
  9. Principal McVicker

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    27 year old wing, actually is shooting well from 3 point line. If he does well, he can be resigned or bend a team over the table for picks for him.
     
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  11. b7

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    Anyone got insider stuff on the trade grades.
     
  12. phunkybuck

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    The deal
    Cavaliers get: Guard Alec Burks, Utah's 2020 second-round pick and Washington's 2021 second-round pick

    Jazz get: Guard Kyle Korver


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    Utah Jazz: B+
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    Shooting has been among the many issues that have plagued the Jazz during a disappointing 9-12 start for a team projected second in the Western Conference by ESPN's real plus-minus (RPM). According to Second Spectrum tracking, Utah's offense has generated the highest-quality 3-point looks in the NBA this season. Their league-best quantified shot quality (qSQ) of 54.6 percent is the effective field goal percentage (eFG) we'd expect the average team to shoot given the distance and type of 3s the Jazz have attempted this season. Instead, Utah has actually posted an eFG of 47.8 percent on 3s, the league's second-worst mark.

    Now, odds are the Jazz were going to improve thanks simply to regression to the mean. Utah's 36.6 percent 3-point shooting last season was slightly better than league average (36.2 percent), although the Jazz did lose two of their better percentage shooters in Rodney Hood (38.9 percent) and Jonas Jerebko(41.4 percent). Aside from Joe Ingles, there wasn't a feared shooter on the Utah roster, and Korver should help fill that void and create more spacing.

    In particular, Korver should give the Jazz's second unit more perimeter punch. Take Ingles off the court and Utah's 3-point percentage drops to an anemic 28.8 percent, according to Second Spectrum data. Granted, Burks was actually propping that up at 37.2 percent. But he's not really the kind of catch-and-shoot threat that Korver is. Burks was attempting just 1.6 catch-and-shoot 3s per game, according to NBA Advanced Stats, shooting a similar percentage to his 0.9 pull-up 3s. In similar minutes, Korver is attempting 2.6 catch-and-shoot 3s per game and making them at a robust 46.3 percent clip.

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    Lowe: Kemba Walker never saw this superstar turn coming
    Kemba Walker might be as important to Charlotte as Steph Curry is to Golden State.



    I'm intrigued to see how much coach Quin Snyder makes Korver's ability to run defenders through a series of screens a staple of the Jazz's second-team offense. While he's not exactly a high-usage player (he has finished 17 percent of Cleveland's plays while on the court this season, as compared to 24 percent for Burks in Utah), the way Korver occupies defenses can create opportunities for his new teammates.

    From a cap standpoint, the most interesting part of this deal is Korver's $7.5 million salary for 2019-20, with $3.44 million guaranteed. The Jazz have been zealously protecting their cap space this summer, and before this deal they could have created max room by waiving Derrick Favors (whose $16.9 million salary is not guaranteed at all through July 6) and renouncing the rights to their own free agents.

    Keeping Korver would make it slightly more difficult to get to max space, but it certainly might be worthwhile if Utah doesn't get any interest from the top free agents on the market and wants to bring back a more similar cast. Alternatively, the Jazz could look to deal Korver again, and in a worst-case scenario waiving him and stretching his salary would leave barely more than $1 million per year on their books.

    Adding Korver alone probably won't substantially change Utah's fortunes, at least as compared to the likelihood the Jazz would turn things around either way. Nonetheless, at the cost of second-round picks, he was a reasonable upgrade for a team that can use some help right now.

    Cleveland Cavaliers: B
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    A Korver trade was an inevitability after the Cavaliers started the season slowly and gave up on their hopes of reaching the playoffs without the departed LeBron James. The only question was when Korver would be dealt and what Cleveland would get back.

    A pair of second-round picks seems like reasonable return, particularly given the upside of getting the Wizards' 2021 pick. By then, who knows where Washington will be as a franchise? Utah's own 2020 pick is much less likely to be in the top half of the second round, where the bulk of the value is concentrated.

    The other important aspect of this deal is the Cavaliers taking back no bad long-term salary. Burks is in the final season of his contract, and Cleveland could yet recoup additional draft picks by trading him to a team looking to shed a longer-term deal before the deadline. Burks could be traded by himself immediately, and aggregated with other players in two months -- just before the Feb. 7 trade deadline.
     
  13. HotMic

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  14. Corch

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  15. HotMic

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    You guys ready to hoist that trophy this spring?

     
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  16. Nandor The Relentless

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    Interesting timing
     
  17. HotMic

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    Keep aiming for the goal

     
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  18. HotMic

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    All the Cleveland media who spent the first half of the season crapping on Sexton can get bent. Guy is playing lights out.
     
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  19. dukebuckeye

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    Is he the best now?
     
  20. HotMic

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    LEBRON WHO?


    Seriously though, he’s been playing really well:

     
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  21. shivious

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    He’s scored at least 25 in 5 of those 6
     
  22. Corch

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    I wish they'd not win
     
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  23. Nandor The Relentless

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    He's the second worst defensive player in the league, only ahead of Trae Young, based on ESPN's defensive real plus minus.
     
  24. yaywaffles

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    the bottom 3 teams have the same odds. it doesn't really matter
     
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  25. Corch

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    Ok well we're like 1.5 games from 4th so it does matter
     
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  26. BuckeyeRiot

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    STOP. WINNING.
     
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  27. HotMic

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    Sexton with 25 tonight. First rookie in Cavs history to score over 23 in seven straight games.
     
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  28. TheGrifter

    TheGrifter It's a trick. Get an axe.

     
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  29. HotMic

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    Pretty crazy with all the guys who’ve come through since Tim:

     
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  30. HotMic

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  32. TheGrifter

    TheGrifter It's a trick. Get an axe.

    His defense is terrible though.

    I hope we lose every goddamn game. Road To Zion, baby!
     
  33. yaywaffles

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    i'd be pretty happy with any of zion, ja'morant, or barrett. i'd prefer the young talent on this team play well and continue developing, even if it results in a marginal decline in our lottery odds. worst record gets a 14% shot at winning the lottery. the odds aren't going to be on our side regardless.
     
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  34. HotMic

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    Sexton is shooting almost 41.2% from 3 on the season and averaging 21 per game since the beginning of February. His FG%, 3pt% and FT% are higher than Young and Doncic on the season.

    I really don’t think you can go wrong pairing him with Zion, Ja or Barrett.
     
    #2484 HotMic, Mar 29, 2019
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  35. shivious

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    its actually even better, 41.4%.
     
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  36. HotMic

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    Yep, jumped last night. Good catch.
     
  37. Gaknight

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    Ja and Sexton defensively are both terrible defenders. Feel like you can survive and hide one but 2 in today’s NBA isn’t great.
     
  38. shivious

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    eh, defensive is learned. they will both get better at that with experience
     
  39. HotMic

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  40. BuckeyeRiot

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    Darn it. I was hoping it was Dan announcing he hired Elon Musk to develop a time machine and it’s finished so he’s gonna go back in time, sign David Griffin to an extension, and refuse to trade Kyrie.
     
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  41. BuckeyeRiot

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    Hey at least we’re locked in to the top 3 odds for the draft lotto.
     
  42. HotMic

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    1. Zion
    2. Ja
    3. RJ
     
  43. yaywaffles

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    who do you guys want as the next HC? would be really happy with joerger or walton
     
  44. Corch

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    Walton
     
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  45. HotMic

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    Walton gets my vote. Guy got screwed with that roster in LA.
     
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  46. TrustyPatches

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    It’s really weird because at Bama he was a helluva scrappy defender with a very meh shot. Now the kid shoots the lights out and plays no defense
     
  47. BuckeyeRiot

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    Walton works. NBA coaches are very overrated mostly because I don’t think the players pay much attention to them.

    Edit:
    Unless you have a Pop/Kerr, the rest are whatever.
     
  48. The_QCT

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    1. Zion
    2. who cares?

    I guess Ja could be OK in the NBA. The rest of the draft is so meh it's scary.
     
  49. bigCUM

    bigCUM Have you heard about Pluto?

    I'd want RJ before Ja by a wide margin.
     
  50. TheGrifter

    TheGrifter It's a trick. Get an axe.

    Obviously I’d love Zion. Who wouldn’t?

    But I think the top 3 in the draft this year are all great prospects, and the Cavs are almost certainly going to land one of them.