Official Cycling Thread

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  1. nofatchildren - cissp

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    Haven't gotten a chance to watch KBK yet, but Omloop was the recipe for beating Sagan: make him spend more time in the wind, so that you have a little bit more left at the end to out sprint him. When Sagan loses its typically loses because he did too much work all race (GvA used to have the same problem).

    But yeah...he's going to get the Cancellara treatment moving forward. But as with Fabian, it's probably not going to matter.
     
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    Sagan looks like he's morphing into Jesus.

    Hell, he might be Jesus.
     
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  3. goheels10

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    he did the exact opposite today of what he did yesterday. i bet a lot of the other teams and riders though he didn't have much in the tank coming off of his effort yesterday. it kinda looked that way too because he was often seen hanging off the back of the second group on the road.

    If other riders try to give him the Cancellara treatment, its a huge mistake. Cancellara only had one weapon... long distance attack and stay away for 20-50 km. Riders knew that if they could just sit on his wheel and make it a sprint finish, they could easily pip him. If Sagan is smart, he will just sit up in those instances...there aren't many classics riders who will be around at the end of races like Flanders or Roubaix that can out-sprint Sagan (GVA and Kristoff are the only two that come to mind).

    I'm most interested to see what Sagan's tactics will be for Milan-San Remo. He has to do something early in that race if he wants to win it, and that's fucking tough as shit because its 283km long.

    I wonder if Sagan is planning something insane like trying to win Milan San Remo, Roubaix and Flanders....
     
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    I don't think that's necessarily true regarding Cancellara. Cancellara won his last P-R in a straight up match sprint. He won his last Strade Bianchi by outkicking everyone in the last few hundred meters. He won his last Flanders with a solo victory from 20km out or whatever, but that's kind of how Flanders goes given the Parcours. You can win the race on the Paterberg. Sagan did the same thing last year.

    But teams would plan their entire strategy around just making sure that Cancellara was always marked, and typically nobody would do any work with him. When Terpstra won P-R, it was because everyone refused to chase and tow Cancellara back up to Terpstra, and so Cancellara said fuck it, I'm not gonna tow everyone else back too.

    With Sagan, other guys have generally been willing to work with him. I guess it's because they are more worried about him winning a bunch sprint if the break doesn't stay away, which is what makes him so special, but I'm still expecting to see teams start trying to fuck with him more.
     
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    Strade Bianchi is next weekend! Quite possibly the most beautiful race of the season.
     
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  6. goheels10

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    You make good points re: Sagan last year and Terpstra's win... However, I think those two Cancellara victories you mention, his last P-R victory and Strade Bianchi (don't forget his last Flanders victory too), are kind-of outliers when you look at the whole of his career. In almost every classics sprint finish Cancellara ends up 2nd, 3rd, or worse. Most of his classics victories have winning margins of 1:00+.

    After Cancellara went on that 50 km romp in the 2010 P-R, people were like, oh shit, and the game plan of teams became 'stick to his wheel at all costs'. I think that's why you see the 3-4 year drought between his monument victories. Because he kept trying to ride people off his wheel 20 - 50 km from the finish, it was his only tactic, and it didn't work. Finally, you saw him smarten up... and that's why he won the sprint finishes in the last few years. He realized he needed to save some gas for the end.

    Not trying to argue, just laying out what I observed.
     
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  7. goheels10

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    Strade Bianchi on Saturday... do yourself a favor, find a good stream and watch this race. It's fucking gorgeous.

    Startlist (favorites in red)
    AG2R La Mondiale
    1 BAKELANTS, Jan
    2 BAGDONAS, Gediminas
    3 DUPONT, Hubert
    4 GENIEZ, Alexandre
    5 HOULE, Hugo
    6 JAUREGUI, Quentin
    7 MONTAGUTI, Matteo
    8 PETERS, Nans

    Androni Giocattoli - Sidermec
    11 BENFATTO, Marco
    12 BONUSI, Raffaello
    13 FRAPPORTI, Mattia
    14 MASNADA, Fausto
    15 PACIONI, Luca
    16 PALINI, Andrea
    17 SPREAFICO, Matteo
    18 VENDRAME, Andrea

    Astana Pro Team
    21 ARU, Fabio

    23 GATTO, Oscar
    24 GRIVKO, Andrei
    25 KORSAETH, Truls Engen
    25 GRUZDEV, Dmitriy
    26 MOSER, Moreno
    27 SANCHEZ, Luis Leon
    28 VALGREN, Michael

    Bahrain Merida Pro Cycling Team
    31 NIBALI, Vincenzo

    32 BOARO, Manuele
    33 CINK, Ondrej
    34 GARCIA CORTINA, Ivan
    35 NOVAK, Domen
    36 PER, David
    37 SIUTSOU, Kanstantsin
    38 VISCONTI, Giovanni

    Bardiani - CSF
    41 BOEM, Nicola
    42 ANDREETTA, Simone
    43 MAESTRI, Mirco
    44 PACINOTTI, Nicolò
    45 PIRAZZI, Stefano
    46 TONELLI, Alessandro
    47 VELASCO, Simone
    48 WACKERMANN, Luca

    BMC Racing Team
    51 VAN AVERMAET, Greg

    52 BOOKWALTER, Brent
    53 CARUSO, Damiano
    54 DRUCKER, Jean-Pierre
    55 HERMANS, Ben
    56 KÜNG, Stefan
    57 OSS, Daniel
    58 QUINZIATO, Manuel

    Bora - Hansgrohe
    151 SAGAN, Peter
    152 BENEDETTI, Cesare
    153 BODNAR, Maciej
    154 BURGHARDT, Marcus
    155 MCCARTHY, Jay
    156 MÜHLBERGER, Gregor
    157 PFINGSTEN, Christoph
    158 POLJANSKI, Pawel

    Cannondale-Drapac Pro Cycling Team
    71 URAN, Rigoberto
    72 BETTIOL, Alberto
    73 CLARKE, Simon
    74 HOWES, Alex
    75 VAN BAARLE, Dylan
    76 LANGEVELD, Sebastian
    77 SKUJIŅŠ, Toms
    78 VANMARCKE, Sep

    FDJ
    81 PINOT, Thibaut
    82 BONNET, William
    83 LE BON, Johan
    84 LUDVIGSSON, Tobias
    85 MORABITO, Steve
    86 REICHENBACH, Sebastien
    87 ROUX, Anthony
    88 ROY, Jérémy

    Lotto Soudal
    121 BENOOT, Tiesj
    122 DE BIE, Sean
    123 DE CLERCQ, Bart
    124 MAES, Nikolas
    125 MARCZYNSKI, Tomasz
    126 MONFORT, Maxime
    127 ROELANDTS, Jurgen
    128 WELLENS, Tim

    Movistar Team
    101 AMADOR, Andrey
    102 BENNATI, Daniele
    103 BETANCUR, Carlos
    104 BICO, Nuno
    105 CARAPAZ, Richard
    106 CARRETERO, Héctor
    107 DOWSETT, Alex
    108 OLIVEIRA, Nelson

    Nippo - Vini Fantini
    111 BAGIOLI, Nicola
    112 CANOLA, Marco
    113 FILOSI, Iuri
    114 GROSU, Eduard Michael
    115 KOISHI, Yuma
    116 MARANGONI, Alan
    117 SANTAROMITA, Ivan
    118 UCHIMA, Kohei

    ORICA-Scott
    121 KREUZIGER, Roman
    122 BEWLEY, Sam
    123 DURBRIDGE, Luke
    124 EDMONDSON, Alexander
    125 HAIG, Jack
    126 JUUL-JENSEN, Christopher
    127 KEUKELEIRE, Jens
    128 TUFT, Svein

    Quick-Step Floors
    131
    STYBAR, Zdenek
    132 BRAMBILLA, Gianluca
    133 JUNGELS, Bob
    134 MARTINELLI, Davide
    135 RICHEZE, Ariel Maximiliano
    136 TRENTIN, Matteo
    137 VAKOC, Petr
    138 VERMOTE, Julien

    Dimension Data
    141 BOASSON HAGEN, Edvald

    142 ANTON, Igor
    143 DEBESAY, Mekseb
    144 EISEL, Bernhard
    145 TEKLEHAIMANOT, Daniel
    146 THOMSON, Jay Robert
    147 THWAITES, Scott
    148 VAN ZYL, Johann

    Team Katusha - Alpecin
    151 BELKOV, Maxim
    152 GONÇALVES, José
    153 MACHADO, Tiago
    154 MATHIS, Marco
    155 POLITT, Nils
    156 RESTREPO, Jhonatan
    157 WÜRTZ SCHMIDT, Mads
    158 VICIOSO, Ángel

    Team LottoNL-Jumbo
    161 BATTAGLIN, Enrico
    162 LINDEMAN, Bert-Jan
    163 LOBATO, Juan José
    164 MARTENS, Paul
    165 ROGLIČ, Primož
    166 DE TIER, Floris
    167 TOLHOEK, Antwan
    168 VERMEULEN, Alexey

    Team Sky
    171 ROSA, Diego
    172 BOSWELL, Ian
    173 GEOGHEGAN HART, Tao
    174 GOLAS, Michal
    175 KWIATKOWSKI, Michal
    176 MOSCON, Gianni
    177 PUCCIO, Salvatore
    178 THOMAS, Geraint

    Team Sunweb
    181 DUMOULIN, Tom
    182 HAGA, Chad
    183 KELDERMAN, Wilco
    184 PREIDLER, Georg
    185 SINKELDAM, Ramon
    186 TEN DAM, Laurens
    187 TEUNISSEN, Mike
    188 TIMMER, Albert

    Trek - Segafredo
    191 ALAFACI, Eugenio
    192 VAN POPPEL, Boy
    193 COLEDAN, Marco
    194 FELLINE, Fabio
    195 IRIZAR, Markel
    196 PEDERSEN, Mads
    197 REIJNEN, Kiel
    198 STUYVEN, Jasper

    UAE Team Emirates
    201 COSTA, Rui (He's in rad form right now. He's the perfect type of rider for a race like this).

    202 DURASEK, Kristijan
    203 LAENGEN, Vegard Stake
    204 MARCATO, Marco
    205 MODOLO, Sacha
    206 MOHORIC, Matej
    207 NIEMIEC, Przemyslaw
    208 TROIA, Oliviero

    My Notes:
    Most people have this race coming down to Sagan vs GVA. My personal picks are Rui Costa and Zydnek Stybar. Costa is in perfect form coming off a win in the middle east. Stybar loves this race and looked really good last weekend. Quick Step are itching for a classics win too.

    Tom Dumoulin is my wild-card. This used to be Cancellara's race and I think Dumoulin can do everything that Cancellara used to do and more (he's a better climber). This race has many,many gravel sections that shatter the peloton in pieces. The roads are narrow and there are some steep, punchy climbs on some of the gravel sections. If Dumoulin can position himself correctly and is part of the last selection then end of the race suits him. After the last gravel section, its open roads to the final. Cancellara always used to TT himself to the last climb, a nasty, steep, short climb to the town of Sienna. His TT would give him enough of a gap to struggle up the climb and claim the win. I could see Dumoulin doing the same.

    Watch out for Rigo Uran. He's not targeting a Grand Tour this year and is targeting Spring Classics instead. Its probably most likely that he's targeting Liege-Bastogne- Liege, Fleche Wallone, and the Amstel Gold Race, but this could be the beginning of his season. Not sure if he has the team to back him up though.

    Watch out for the Italians, not just Nibali and Aru. For some of these guys, this is the Conference Championship game before the Super Bowl (Giro).[/spoiler]
     
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  8. nofatchildren - cissp

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    You think Gerraint Thomas has anything in store for this race? He could do well here if he's got any ambitions for it at all.
     
  9. goheels10

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    he could do well, but I think Sky is here for Rosa and Kwiatkowski and then probably the other Italians (Puccio and Moscon). I think Sky is saving him to target Flanders and Roubaix with Stannard and week long stage races.
     
  10. goheels10

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    Welp, Rui Costa is out of Strade Bianche. so there goes that prediction.
     
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  11. goheels10

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    Milan San Remo on Sunday.

    Startlist
    FDJ
    1 DÉMARE, Arnaud
    2 DELAGE, Mickaël
    3 BONNET, William
    4 CIMOLAI, Davide
    5 GUARNIERI, Jacopo
    6 KONOVALOVAS, Ignatas
    7 LADAGNOUS, Matthieu
    8 ROUX, Anthony
    AG2R La Mondiale
    11 HOULE, Hugo
    12 BAGDONAS, Gediminas
    13 BAKELANTS, Jan
    14 FRANK, Mathias
    15 GOUGEARD, Alexis
    16 JAUREGUI, Quentin
    17 DENZ, Nico
    18 VANDENBERGH, Stijn
    Androni Giocattoli
    21 BALLERINI, Davide
    22 BERNAL, Egan Arley
    23 BONUSI, Raffaello
    24 CATTANEO, Mattia
    25 FRAPPORTI, Marco
    26 FRAPPORTI, Mattia
    27 GAVAZZI, Francesco
    28 MASNADA, Fausto

    Astana Pro Team
    31 KORSAETH, Truls
    32 BRESCHEL, Matti
    33 GATTO, Oscar
    34 GRIVKO, Andrei
    35 LUTSENKO, Alexey
    36 TLEUBAYEV, Ruslan
    37 SANCHEZ, Luis Leon
    38 VALGREN, Michael
    Bahrain Merida Pro Cycling Team
    41 COLBRELLI, Sonny
    42 BOARO, Manuele
    43 BOLE, Grega
    44 BONIFAZIO, Niccolo
    45 BOZIC, Borut
    46 GASPAROTTO, Enrico
    47 PELLIZOTTI, Franco
    48 VISCONTI, Giovanni
    Bardiani - CSF
    51 ANDREETTA, Simone
    52 BARBIN, Enrico
    53 BOEM, Nicola
    54 MAESTRI, Mirco
    55 ROTA, Lorenzo
    56 SIMION, Paolo
    57 VELASCO, Simone
    58 WACKERMANN, Luca

    BMC Racing Team
    61 VAN AVERMAET, Greg
    62 CARUSO, Damiano
    63 DILLIER, Silvan
    64 ELMIGER, Martin
    65 OSS, Daniel
    66 QUINZIATO, Manuel
    67 SCOTSON, Miles
    68 VENTOSO, Francisco
    Bora - Hansgrohe
    71 SAGAN, Peter
    72 BENNETT, Sam
    73 BODNAR, Maciej
    74 BURGHARDT, Marcus
    75 MÜHLBERGER, Gregor
    76 SAGAN, Juraj
    77 SARAMOTINS, Aleksejs
    78 BENEDETTI, Cesare
    Cannondale-Drapac Pro Cycling Team
    81 CLARKE, Simon
    82 BETTIOL, Alberto
    83 KOREN, Kristijan
    84 SCULLY, Thomas
    85 SKUJIŅŠ, Toms
    86 SLAGTER, Tom-Jelte
    87 URAN, Rigoberto
    88 VAN ASBROECK, Tom

    Cofidis, Solutions Crédits
    91 BOUHANNI, Nacer
    92 CLAEYS, Dimitri
    93 LAPORTE, Christophe
    94 LEMOINE, Cyril
    95 SÉNÉCHAL, Florian
    96 SIMON, Julien
    97 SOUPE, Geoffrey
    98 VANBILSEN, Kenneth
    Gazprom-RusVelo
    101 PORSEV, Alexander
    102 BRUTT, Pavel
    103 ERSHOV, Artur
    104 MAIKIN, Roman
    105 ROVNY, Ivan
    106 SAVITSKIY, Ivan
    107 TSATEVICH, Alexey
    108 TRUSOV, Nikolay
    Lotto Soudal
    111 WELLENS, Tim
    112 BENOOT, Tiesj
    113 DEBUSSCHERE, Jens
    114 GALLOPIN, Tony
    116 MARCZYNSKI, Tomasz
    117 ROELANDTS, Jurgen
    118 SIEBERG, Marcel
    119 BAK, Lars Ytting

    Movistar Team
    121 BETANCUR, Carlos
    122 ANACONA, Winner
    123 ARCAS, Jorge
    124 BARBERO, Carlos
    125 BENNATI, Daniele
    126 CARAPAZ, Richard
    127 ROJAS, José Joaquín
    128 SÜTTERLIN, Jasha
    Nippo - Vini Fantini
    131 NAKANE, Hideto
    132 CANOLA, Marco
    133 FILOSI, Iuri
    134 GROSU, Eduard Michael
    135 DE NEGRI, Pier Paolo
    136 MARANGONI, Alan
    137 SANTAROMITA, Ivan
    138 UCHIMA, Kohei
    ORICA-Scott
    141 EWAN, Caleb
    142 ALBASINI, Michael
    143 GERRANS, Simon
    144 HAYMAN, Mathew
    145 IMPEY, Daryl
    146 KEUKELEIRE, Jens
    147 MEZGEC, Luka
    148 CORT NIELSEN, Magnus

    Quick-Step Floors
    151 BOONEN, Tom
    152 ALAPHILIPPE, Julian
    153 BAUER, Jack
    154 GAVIRIA, Fernando
    155 GILBERT, Philippe
    156 SABATINI, Fabio
    157 TRENTIN, Matteo
    158 VERMOTE, Julien
    Dimension Data
    161 CAVENDISH, Mark
    162 BOASSON HAGEN, Edvald
    163 CUMMINGS, Stephen
    164 EISEL, Bernhard
    165 THOMSON, Jay Robert
    166 RENSHAW, Mark
    167 SBARAGLI, Kristian
    168 THWAITES, Scott
    Team Katusha - Alpecin
    171 KRISTOFF, Alexander
    172 BELKOV, Maxim
    173 BYSTRØM, Sven Erik
    174 HALLER, Marco
    175 HOLLENSTEIN, Reto
    176 MØRKØV, Michael
    177 ŠPILAK, Simon
    178 VICIOSO, Ángel

    Team LottoNL-Jumbo
    181 LOBATO, Juan José
    182 BATTAGLIN, Enrico
    183 CASTELIJNS, Twan
    184 VAN EMDEN, Jos
    185 LEEZER, Tom
    186 MARTENS, Paul
    187 ROGLIČ, Primož
    188 TANKINK, Bram
    Team Novo Nordisk
    191 MEGIAS, Javier
    192 PERON, Andrea
    193 LOZANO, David
    194 PLANET, Charles
    195 HENTTALA, Joonas
    196 VERSCHOOR, Martijn
    197 CLANCY, Stephen
    198 VAN IJZENDOORN, Rik
    Team Sky
    201 VIVIANI, Elia
    202 KWIATKOWSKI, Michal
    203 MOSCON, Gianni
    204 PUCCIO, Salvatore
    205 ROWE, Luke
    206 STANNARD, Ian
    207 VAN POPPEL, Danny
    208 WIŚNIOWSKI, Łukasz

    Team Sunweb
    211 DUMOULIN, Tom
    212 ARNDT, Nikias
    213 ANDERSEN, Søren Kragh
    214 CURVERS, Roy
    215 GESCHKE, Simon
    216 MATTHEWS, Michael
    217 STAMSNIJDER, Tom
    218 TIMMER, Albert
    Trek - Segafredo
    221 DEGENKOLB, John
    222 ALAFACI, Eugenio
    223 COLEDAN, Marco
    224 DE KORT, Koen
    225 FELLINE, Fabio
    226 RAST, Gregory
    227 STUYVEN, Jasper
    228 REIJNEN, Kiel
    UAE Team Emirates
    231 MODOLO, Sacha
    232 LAENGEN, Vegard Stake
    233 MARCATO, Marco
    234 MOHORIC, Matej
    235 MORI, Manuele
    236 SWIFT, Ben
    237 ULISSI, Diego
    238 ZURLO, Federico

    Wilier Triestina
    241 POZZATO, Filippo
    242 AMEZQUETA, Julen
    243 BELLETTI, Manuel
    244 BUSATO, Matteo
    245 GODOY, Yonder
    246 MARECZKO, Jakub
    247 MARTINEZ, Daniel Felipe
    248 MOSCA, Jacopo

    Favorites:
    Sagan, Cavendish, Kristoff, Bouhanni, Van Avermaet, Demare, Viviani, Degenkolb, Gaviria, Caleb Ewan, Michael Matthews

    Sneaky picks for a breakaway:
    Tim Wellens, Simon Clarke, Jan Bakelandts, Stephen Cummings, Alaphilippe, Kwiatkowski, Tom Dumoulin

    Sneaky picks for a sprint:
    Sonny Colbrelli, Simon Gerrans, Sacha Modolo, Nikias Arndt
     
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  12. goheels10

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    Don't know why I said that Milan San Remo is on Sunday, its tomorrow!
     
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  13. MA

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    Tough result, but a great last several km.
     
  14. goheels10

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    I hate Sky, but Kwiatkowski is one hell of a rider.
     
  15. nofatchildren - cissp

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    That's why Sagan is the best.

    Just about anyone else in his situation sits in and waits for the sprint. That's why you have to appreciate someone like Contador too; not only are they uber talented, but they actually want to race.
     
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  16. goheels10

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    totally agree...

    sagan said after the end of the race that 'results don't matter, putting on a show does.'
     
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    he really is
     
  18. Dex

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    watched today on the trainer.

    great move by sagan. even better by Kwiatkowski to join.
     
  19. colonelrascals

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    I know Sagan has been criticized for doing too much, but this season much more than last you're seeing riders avoid working with him. I hate the because he deserved to win sanremo, will be interesting to see how he responds.
     
  20. goheels10

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    Sagan's drivetrain actually skipped just before he got pipped at the line. Look at his chain here...

    [​IMG]
     
  21. nofatchildren - cissp

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    It was because of the bike throw though. He'd have lost by a wider margin of not for a crazy aggressive bike throw.
     
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  22. timo

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    so takeaway here is shimano 9100 > shimano 9000.
    :awesomeface:
     
  23. nofatchildren - cissp

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    Bora spent all of their service course money on Sagan's salary.
     
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    Sagan involved in a crash.... more importantly, he cut his effing hair!
     
  26. goheels10

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    oh no... initial reports out of Spain say that Quintana may have a broken leg.
     
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    rumors are incorrect. apparently Quintana is fine.... phew.
     
  28. goheels10

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    GVA is on fire... Hope Sagan is okay because Flanders is just two weeks away.
     
  29. MA

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    Pretty disappointed in Sagan's tactics today. Maybe he didn't have it, but to me it looked like he just refused to work while those two guys sat on, so he sat back with them.

    But given the form GVA is on, I just don't understand Sagan betting on those two guys to be able to bring it back over GVA being able to hold them off.
     
  30. goheels10

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    You're right, Sagan pulled off and said, nope, I'm not closing the gap. He took a gamble that Terpstra would close it, and Terpstra said nope as well. This is the Cancellara treatment.

    With that said, I think a couple of things are at play here...

    1. For all the people saying that this was just a training ride for Sagan, because he's targeting Flanders and Roubaix, I think they're wrong. It shows a hole in his team, one that he needs to patch soon. There isn't too much that Sagan should've done different there, sure, he could've closed the gap, but then I bet Terpstra would've attacked over the top, leaving him gassed. I think the bigger fix here is getting him a big-engine lieutenant to help be there in the groups at the end (like GVA has in Daniel Oss, like Degenkolb has in de Kort, like Terpstra has in Boonen or visa versa).

    2. Terpstra not pulling shows that he and his team would rather not have Sagan win than have a chance for themselves... shows how confident they are in their team.

    3. Like I said a few days ago... GVA is in rip-roaring form right now. His big goal is Flanders (not Roubaix). The attack by Keukelaire and him was brilliant, they knew if they could get a gap that Terpstra and Anderson would make Sagan work to close it. On top of that GVA is confident enough that he can beat Sagan in an H2H sprint. This worked yesterday, but I doubt Sagan lets it happen in Flanders.

    Watch for Sagan to go full gas on one of the big cobbled climbs at the end of Flanders. I doubt GVA will be able to stay in touch with him... just like he wasn't able to stay in touch in Milan San Remo.
     
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    Flanders is this weekend boys. Oh so beautiful...


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    2 PFINGSTEN, Christoph
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    206 DUPONT, Timothy
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    214 DUCHESNE, Antoine
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    216 MORICE, Julien
    217 PETIT, Adrien
    218 PICHOT, Alexandre

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    221 CHETOUT, Loïc
    222 CLAEYS, Dimitri
    223 HOFSTETTER, Hugo
    224 LAPORTE, Christophe
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    226 SÉNÉCHAL, Florian
    227 VAN STAEYEN, Michael
    228 VANBILSEN, Kenneth

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    231 ASSELMAN, Jesper
    232 DE VRIES, Berden
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    241 POZZATO, Filippo
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    246 ANDRIATO, Rafael
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    Longshots - Sebastian Langeveld, Gilbert, Mathew Hayman, Stijn Vendenbergh, Alexis Gougeard,
     
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    Sagan had just done a turn, and Terpstra was refusing to pull, so Sagan said fuck it and let GVA and JK go up the road.

    Everybody hates Terpstra, and Sagan clearly wasn't in the mood to put up with him yesterday. There is also a gif of Sagan purposely riding off of his line to head butt Terpstra on a climb earlier on.

    Sagan basically said in the post race interview that he decided he didn't want Terpstra to have a chance to win because he was being a bitch, so he didn't take an extra turn to close the gap when Terpstra refused to pull through.

    Soren Anderson also claimed Terpstra refused to work, and then Terpstra got mad and spit in his face.

    In short, Terpstra has long been known as a real piece of shit (both on and off the bike) and I'm not surprised Sagan said fuck it, neither of us will win then.

    I do think things are starting to get to Sagan mentally though. After MSR he called everyone he was racing against "a bunch of fucking dickheads." However, at some point he's gotta call people's bluff, and show that he's willing to lose a race if the other team's tactics are just to fuck with him. He can't have everyone knowing he's always going to do all the work just because he can.

    But if this had been a more important race for him, I don't think Sagan would have been playing games.
     
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  33. goheels10

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    Well said with the bolded stuff. People on his own team dislike him.
    Totally agree with you here. After Omloop when he was bashing Vanmarcke for not attacking, I thought it was funny. After MSR and now this, its clearly starting to get to him a bit.

    When people started doing this to Cancellara, it fucked him up. He let it get to him.

    Sagan has gotta know that he's the toughest son-of-a-bitch out there and that if he attacks enough, he will fucking shatter people. I think he's going to be fine, but this weekend is gonna be one hell of a test.
     
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    Ah, okay. I read it as something like him thinking GVA/Keukelaire would break or slow up. The just not wanting to play ball makes a lot more sense. He also called out Terpstra afteward on his social media accounts.

    heels, to your thing about Sagan attacking on the final climbs, it makes me wonder how things would've been different on Sunday if he'd been better positioned on the last climb. Looked like he closed that gap with ease, but he started so far back that it just got him up with GVA by the top.
     
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    gif for those interested
     
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    The great inrng's Flanders preview here.

    [​IMG] Greg Van Avermaet, Peter Sagan
    [​IMG] Philippe Gilbert, Alexander Kristoff
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG] John Degenkolb, Sep Vanmarcke, Oliver Naesen
    [​IMG] Stuyven, Benoot, Theuns, Rowe, Durbridge, Keukeleire, Felline


    Personally, I want Sep to win, but I'm afraid that his crash a few weeks ago may have derailed his form.
     
  38. goheels10

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    helluva ride by Gilbert. not a fan of his but gotta give him his due. plus, its always awesome to see the Belgian champ win a big Belgian race, much less the biggest of them all.

    GVA lost exactly 30 seconds in the Sagan crash and GVA finished 30 seconds down... so one has to think that Sagan/GVA/Terpstra would've caught Gilbert if not for that.

    Amazing ride by Dylan van Baarle from Cannondale to finish 4th. Every year he gets closer and closer to the podium. He's going to win this race one day. Watch him next week in Paris Roubaix too, especially since Sep might be out after his crash.
     
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  39. a.tramp

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    Gilbert definitely earned every bit of that win, one of the most impressive and longest off the front efforts I can recall.

    :roll: Is Boonen the first rider in history to suffer chainsuck on 2 differnet bikes within 50' of each other?

    Lastly, when they mentioned the legs on the fences/barricades that should and usually have blockage or padding covering them would probably grab someone, who in their right mind would have guessed they would have grabbed the best bike handler the sport has maybe ever seen?

    Exciting race.
     
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  40. goheels10

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    in other cool Flanders news. Coryn Rivera won the women's Tour of Flanders. She's a 24 year old American. First American ever to win Flanders.
     
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  41. colonelrascals

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    gilbert was very impressive.

    sagan has had a bad run of luck, hopefully he is 100% paris roubaix
     
  42. goheels10

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    best video of Sagan crash...

     
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    Saw some pics on instagram of her winning this weekend... she's can't be taller than 5'0"
     
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    oh, for sure. tiny little pocket rocket.
     
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    only two more races for Tom Boonen. Scheldeprijs tomorrow through goes through his hometown. Then Paris Roubaix this weekend.
     
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    Have you seen the limited edition Boonen Roubaix they are selling now? :lovelove:
     
  47. goheels10

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    i haven't.. but I do have a set of DVDs from the spring classics from ~2007 - 2010 that i use when on the trainer.
     
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