DCEU: Critics are saying The Flash is a great movie of all time 6.16.23

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  1. RSK

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    Going from TDK to the shitshow DC has put out for the last decade just to catch up to marvel grinds my gears like nothing else. Both TDK and Ironman came out in 2008 so DC had ample time to properly establish the universe and properly develop their characters even with the loss of Nolan/Bale.

    But having recently seen TDK in Imax the main takeaway for me was that the pacing is incredible. There is literally no down time from the moment Joker robs that bank in the beginning until the hounds are chasing batman in the end. it's just a complete thriller.
     
  2. IanBoyd

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    The music in the Nolan Batman movies were also never matched again in any DC movie, not even Wonder Woman.
     
  3. dump

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    because Hans Zimmer is one of the greatest film score composer of all time

    him and Alan Silvestri (no relation)
     
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  4. Nostradumass

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    They were a victim of their own success.

    You couldn't really build a universe around TDK because Nolan was playing by his own rules. He designed an elseworlds tale that told the beginning and end of the Batman story.

    DC had to (1) wait for Nolan's trilogy to end (Iron Man/MCU came out when the second movie released) and (2) start from scratch.

    By the time they were able to launch, the first Avengers movie was already out. They were playing catch-up from day one. But, being WB (morons) they took the success of the Nolan movies and said "people loved it because it was DARK!" when that's not at all what people loved. People loved that it was SMART.

    WB's biggest mistake, actually, was hiring Nolan to be the first "godfather" (as they called him) of their DC movie universe. Nolan isn't a comic guy. He did Batman so well because there were things about Batman he was able to work with within his style of moviemaking. You think Nolan could have made a comics-faithful Superman movie? No. Or at least he wouldn't have been interested to try. Look at the jump in quality from Batman Begins to The Dark Knight. Batman Begins was written by Goyer (a so-called "comics" guy) while TDK was written by the Nolan brothers. Begins is a solid flick and a really good Batman movie, but it also had a lot of head-scratching stupidity. TDK simply worked much better. Nolan wasn't the guy they should have picked to oversee their comic book universe and he proved it by picking Snyder to relaunch Superman. The rest is history.

    Horrible, poop-laden history.
     
  5. BP

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    Nolan made the Batman movies so he could get The Prestige and Inception made. The 1 for 1 deal. When "his" movies made a fuck load of money WB said he could do whatever he wanted, and being the DC Godfather wasn't it.
     
  6. Nostradumass

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    Basically

    Batman Begins gave him the cache to make The Prestige, which was a big enough hit to allow to make TDK his way, which was a huge hit and let him basically just do whatever he wanted. He made Inception (the biggest non-franchise movie of the year, I believe) and went back to finish Batman and move on.

    He still signed on as a producer for Man of Steel and hand-picked Snyder. Not great, Bob.
     
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  7. TheGrifter

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    [​IMG]

    Unfortunately, yes, it's real. Officially released photo of Joker.
     
  8. RSK

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    I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not and that's so sad
     
  9. It'sAlwaysSunnyInAthens

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    Looks like a comedy about a down on his luck clown.
     
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  10. RSK

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    It looks like the airbud clown
     
  11. Celemo

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    I enjoyed this clown in Billy Madison
     
  12. Professor Moriarty

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    [​IMG]
     
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  13. Nostradumass

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    How does he keep that hat on his head? That's the real magic here.
     
  14. Illinihockey

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    [​IMG]
     
  15. IanBoyd

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    lesigh...

    I believe as the kids say

    "not like this..."
     
  16. IanBoyd

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    I'm legitimately angry at that photo, its almost like they're purposely trying to piss on Ledger's grave by even attempting to pass that off as anything resembling the moniker of the role Heath Ledger played.
     
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  17. Illinihockey

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    What doesn’t make sense to me is why get someone as mercurial as Phoenix for this role? Can’t wait for him to do 2 DC movies then say fuck this is done and they have to reboot the joker again
     
  18. Aussie

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    This is set in the 80's so I'm assuming it's pretty much a one off.
     
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  19. Tex

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    What’s the issue here? He’s clearly going to be a failed comedian/clown and lose his shit. That’s part of the jokers history.
     
  20. IanBoyd

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    Yea well Spider Man gave birth to himself after the Civil War comic book storyline, doesn't mean it wasn't fucking stupid and had no business being shown on the big screen.

    Change what doesn't work, adapt it to something that does.
     
  21. Hoss Bonaventure

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    It falls in line with The. Killing. Joke storyline minus the future tense of having Batman in it.
     
  22. Nostradumass

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    to be fair...that's a pretty big minus.
     
  23. The Fuck Lion

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    Yeah, no Batman makes this feel empty. The link between the two is too strong for one without the other IMO.
     
  24. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Yes. I agree. It’s gonna be him and the mob deal only.
     
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  25. Nostradumass

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    Have they said who the protagonist in the story is?

    Is it the Joker himself?
     
  26. Hoss Bonaventure

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    No clue. I think it’s going to be him getting his family ruined and fucked over by the mob and losing it and becoming the Joker. I think it’s going to be him vs the mob.
     
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  27. Wu

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    FWIW (putting in spoiler in case some don’t want to know anything)

    IMDb shows Thomas Wayne will be in the movie
     
  28. IanBoyd

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    I don't care about spoilers for anything DC related sans Wonder Woman because I won't be paying another penny to WB/DC for any of their shit products.
     
  29. TheGrifter

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    This is exactly why this concept shits on The Joker as a character and plot as a whole.

    Joker NEEDS Batman as a foil to play off in that storyline. Otherwise there is nothing to oppose his viewpoint.

    They’re making him an anti-hero against big money business, which is a travesty to character. It spits in the face of everything The Joker represents in the comics.

    It’s probably why casual fans are open to the movie, while comic fans hate everything about it so far.
     
  30. TrustyPatches

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    It like no one has any real clue about Joker pre-ledger. I’m just as much in love with what Ledger did with the Joker as anyone but his version isn’t the most true to form representation of The Joker we have. Aussie is 100% correct when he says that Hamill brought us the most true to form, accurate representation of The Joker we’ve had and it looks like this film will follow this path. We can’t do Ledgers Joker again guys, it’s done and it should stay that way. It’s a treat unto itself
     
  31. TrustyPatches

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    God you’re weird
     
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  32. dump

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  33. TheGrifter

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    Probably.

    I appreciate The Joker as a character and what he represents as a perfect foil to Batman.

    It bothers me this film is apparently robbing him of those things.
     
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  34. TrustyPatches

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    The thing about Joker that so many comic book villains don’t have, is that he’s always been an interesting, charismatic character own his own. If there’s a villain that can carry a film or a story, it’s him.

    Relax man. If you start seeing actual info that says Thomas Wayne is gonna be a big bad Donald Trump clone, and Bruce is gonna be a little shit, hit the panic button for both of us
     
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  35. Nostradumass

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    I'm not bothered by the origin story.

    Joker has no origin story. Not any in-stone one at least. Not like Batman or Mr. Freeze. If they want to make him a down on his luck clown that snaps that's fine. That's a variant of some origin stories already told about him.

    I always saw Joker as a guy so detached from reality even he doesn't know how he became the clown prince of crime. That's why he tells so many different versions of his history in various comics.

    I'm bothered by this as a movie. Taking a villain and giving him an origin is fine. That's like 90% of comic book movies--the origin of that movie's villain. What's not good is making a whole movie about the villain's origin without a protagonist to play off of. Joker's not some anti-hero and if they try to make him one they're just wasting Phoenix. And if they try to make a movie without a protagonist they're just wasting everyone's time.
     
  36. Pelican Grove

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    He has opinions. I know that’s weird here.
     
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  37. Tex

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  38. Wu

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    :lovelove: Mary Elizabeth Winstead :lovelove:
     
  39. pearl

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  40. FarmerBrown

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    tMB groupthink is a very real thing.
     
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  41. Celemo

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    Some of the most underrated pics of The Fappening :twocents:
     
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  42. Wu

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    FUCK I didn’t realize she was part of that

    I will uh need to uh do uh some research when I get home
     
  43. Celemo

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    She had a couple grainy filtered pics but it’s still MEW so :fap:
     
  44. BP

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    DC just trying everything, hoping something other than WW sticks.
     
  45. jrmy

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    Everything they do is the wrong move right now.
     
  46. fsugrad99

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    There’s no strategy here
     
  47. Tex

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    Not everything has to be some universe building movie
     
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  49. TheGrifter

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    So this just keeps getting worse. Especially since Dick Grayson is one of my favorite characters in comics.

     
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