I got too far behind in the 2015/16 season and finished Arrow+The Flash on Netflix. With Supergirl and LoT tying in and having crossover episodes how important is it to watch those? I have every Fall 16 episode of all 4 shows on my DVR but I really dont feel like playing catch up with that many episodes.
Haven't watched any LoT since the first couple episodes, and didn't have trouble keeping up with what was going on during that portion of the crossover event. I'm caught up on supergirl which is better than it was last season, but that's even less important in terms of arrow/flash. As long as you know who she is, you're good to go.
Wonder Woman’s Hippolyta & Lex Luthor Confirmed for Justice League While seemingly every member of the DC Extended Universe version of the Justice Leaguetechnically showed up during this year’s Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, next year’s Justice League will serve as the true introduction to Arthur Curry/Aquaman (Jason Momoa), Barry Allen/The Flash (Ezra Miller) and Victor Stone/Cyborg (Ray Fisher) as they exist in the DCEU. The upcoming Zack Snyder-directed film will also further flesh out the DCEU’s version of Diana Prince/Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot), following on the heels of director Patty Jenkins’ DCEU Wonder Woman solo movie being released in theaters. It’s long been assumed that Justice League would feature an appearance by Batman V Superman baddie Lex Luthor (Jesse Eisenberg) too, seeing as he was the one responsible for inviting Justice League‘s antagonist, Steppenwolf (Ciarán Hinds), to Earth in the first place. Eisenberg has all but confirmed his involvement with the film in the past, but Warner Bros. Pictures has now formally revealed that Lex’s return to the DCEU will happen in 2017. It also turns out that a key supporting player in the Wonder Woman solo film (making their DCEU debut in that movie) is likewise part of the Justice League ensemble. WB has issued an official preview press kit for its 2017 film slate that, naturally, includes details about Justice League. The main cast for the film includes all of the aforementioned Justice League superhero actors, as well as Ben Affleck (Bruce Wayne/Batman), Amy Adams (Lois Lane) and Henry Cavill as Clark Kent/Ka-El/Superman… once he recovers from being “killed” by Doomsday in Batman V Superman, of course. Meanwhile, the supporting cast for the film not only includes Eisenberg, but also Connie Nielson – who is playing Hippolyta, the Queen of Themyscira and mother of Wonder Woman in the DCEU, starting in Jenkins’ film. Jenkins’ Wonder Woman solo film will explore Diana’s backstory prior to the events of Batman V Superman, revealing why the Amazonian warrior turned her back on mankind after her experience during WWI. It sounds as though Justice League will see Diana make a brief trip back to Themyscira, perhaps to explain to her mother why she has decided to help humanity again, to warn Hippolyta about the dangerous forces that are now headed to Earth – or maybe for some other reason altogether. (To learn more about the history of the Mother Boxes on Earth, perhaps?) Either way, it makes sense for a film about the formation of the Justice League (and, to a lesser degree, the approaching threat of Darkseid) to touch on what the powerful leader(s) of Diana’s home make of everything that’s happening. As for the return of Eisenberg as Luthor: that character was one of the more controversial elements in the already-plenty divisive Batman V Superman, so it’s probably for the best that his screen time in Justice League will have to be limited by necessity. Lex will be in the same boat as characters like Alfred Pennyworth (Jeremy Irons), Hippolyta, Mera (Amber Heard) and Vulko (Willem Dafoe) when it comes to the roles they play in Justice League, in this respect. These supporting players’ inclusion, if handled well, should help rather than hurt this movie – by keeping its narrative flowing along and building a richer sense of connection between the different pieces of the DCEU, rather than making Justice League feel overstuffed itself.
Talk then turned to how Justice League will compare to the two movies mentioned above, and as expected, the producer once again promised that fans should expect a very different tone from the superhero ensemble. That's right, it's going to be "lighter" in tone. "We knew we were making a very serious, compelling, driving film with Batman v. Superman. Now the bell has been rung and the whole tone of the movie is lighter."
Watching the DK trilogy. It is alarming how much better these movies are than the most recent trash DC has produced. They should have given Nolan whatever it took.
Unless the story and character motivations make sense it doesn't matter how much "lighter" the movie is
Just TDKR alone, which IMO is the weakest of the 3, is better than anything they've put out before or since
If I recall they offered him first look at developing and directing and he said he was done and would simply EP the new series. He was touted as the godfather of the DCEU but ended up basically walking away entirely after Man of Steel. Snyder kind of stepped into the role but after BvS was burned by critics and failed to reach a billion, Geoff Johns took over as the new mastermind. I guess Wonder Woman will be the first movie since he assumed creative control
Great. This just says to me that they are going to try and shoehorn funny spots into the movie. If the point wasn't to rewrite a bad script and add humor, this will suck too. There are so many good DC JSA stories out there from writers. Why can't they just adapt one?
This gives me hope. He may have been the best writer DC had. His GL and Flash Rebirth stories were awesome.
DC/WB is so reactionary. They think throwing in some quips will make the tone lighter and thus a better movie. Poor studio mgmt coupled with terrible hires to make these movies is the problem. The fact that Snyder is making his third DC movie in a row tells you everything you need to know about their lack of awareness.
You'd think after his first two outings, someone with some power would come to the conclusion that Snyder at the very least doesn't care about the characters and at worst dislikes them, and take him off any future DCEU projects. But I guess they made money so ehh fuck it.
It's just like Paramount with Bay and Transformers, makes a lot of money so they don't care about a story so much. But, a good BvS movie would've probably did at least $1.25 billion box office as opposed to $873 million.
I liked the new batman vs superman. After so much hate I went in expecting nothing and ended up enjoying it.
I too have caught BvS for the first time on HBO in the past couple of weeks. I think I'm most impressed by how mediocre it was compared to the cost. It probably should have been two movies, too. Also, doesn't Batman kill people in it? I don't read the comics but from the cartoons and movies, not killing people seems like it's kind of Batman's thing. The resolution to the Batman-Superman fight should be in a hall of shame somewhere
It's All-in on Geoff Johns now. The feeling is optimistic in Hollywood but not even the studio can say it confidently. It wasn't good when WW lost MacLaren and i hope it does do well...
Batman kills in the comics, Batman is a very dark character and his willingness to do whatever it takes is one of the advantages he has over Superman.
Ha. What's the movie where they walk inside a double-wide trailer and the interior is 15 ft. ceilings, chandeliers, etc.? Hot Shots?
I broke down and watched BvS on HBO as well. It was just as terrible as I expected it to be. Terrible acting, terrible writing, Snyder slo-mo idiocy, stupid CGI bullshit, and Jesse Eisenberg was awful. That ding-ding-ding shit at the end was especially awful. Watching Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill share scenes was painful. They both suck at acting, although Cavill seemed way worse this time than in MoS. The only thing that worked was Wonder Woman's music. WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?????!!
I got BvS on Blu-ray and watched the bonus features on it. One of the things that gets me is that they talk about the contrast between Superman and Batman and what makes them so different. Batman is dark and Superman is light and stands for good and all this stuff. And that's great. So why did they make a movie where Superman just mopes around for 2.5 hours and give zero contrast to the two characters? I don't know if that's on Cavill or Snyder, but Superman and Lois were just terrible characters. The only difference between Batman and Superman in that movie is Batman is motivated to do something.
AMC has been running Batman Begins and TDK all weekend. It's a nice friendly reminder of how to properly make "dark" superhero movies.
Snyder simply doesn't understand how to properly portray Superman as a character. He has shown throughout his career that he wants his lead characters to be conflicted and flawed. Superman should really be the opposite. He holds true to his ideals and morals in the face of every possible opposition. Conflict with Superman occurs when the PUBLIC begins to think his way of doing things may be wrong, and he has to find a way to show it isn't the case Hopefully this "death" of Superman in the DCEU allows for him to come back as the version of the character we all want to see on screen again.
A more thoughtful director might have taken the time to examine the magnitude of having a dogmatic Superman juxtaposed to the rational/irrational fears of the public. Snyder even kind of accomplished that with Dr Manhattan (although he was off doing his own shit half the time and more indifferent than anything). And since I've seen Batman Begins twice in the past few days, Linus Roach really crushed it as Thomas Wayne. Jeffrey Dean Morgan just came off as a hothead who wound up getting himself killed and added no depth to Batfleck's backstory.
Begins is one of my 10 favorite movies. Aside from Rachel, almost everything in that film is perfect. They got the Wayne family, Alfred, and Bruce Wayne in particular down just perfectly.
Absolutely agree. It takes a measured filmmaker like Nolan to wait 45 minutes before introducing the Bat Man, and in those 45 minutes he laid out Bruce's motivations with perfection. Just top notch character development aided by some amazing performances.
I'm biased because Bale is the love of my life, but he was just the perfect Bruce Wayne. One of my favorite scenes in the trilogy is the dancing conversation between Bruce and Catwoman. When she says, "He's alone, his wife is in Ibiza." Bruce responds, "It's pronounced 'Ibitha.'" I don't know, it's just a simple exchange that conveys the differences between the two characters without having to spell it out like some directors have to. TDKR was a level down, but I'm not sure I'll ever be able to like a Batman half as much as those movies.
Oh yeah, the beauty of Nolan is that he treats the viewers with respect and doesn't rely heavily on expository dialogue. TDKR rises was not as perfect as the first two but they were hard acts to follow. Having said that, I think TDKR was a satisfactory ending to the trilogy.
Yup caught TDK this weekend. Almost forgot how perfect everything was. In BvS besides ruining Doomsday, supes yelling martha before he's about to die is terrible. But damn the scene where batman takes out the guys to save Martha at the warehouse istop notch and my favorite, even if its a ripoff of Arkham Asylum.
I hate this take. Superman is a great character. He just hasn't aged well. *NERD ALERT!!!* When he was created, he was a depiction of everything that was great about America, and it was very clichéd. We were coming off of a Word War and a depression, so the idea of a strong person who could do anything was great. Boeing a Boy Scout was cool, so what could be cooler than a Boy Scout with unlimited ability? The issues happened when America became more cynical and the get totally geeky, embraced a hero that worked in the dark (Batman) over someone in the light (Superman). Writers adjusted by putting his powers off the chart and he became unrelatable. This is my man issue with Snyder's take on him. When you take a character with off the chart abilities and try and make him relatable, you lose what made him special. I never liked Snyder's Superman, because it focused on the Man and not the Super, and did a shit job of both. That was what was so great about the Donner Superman. Clark Kent was the Man, Superman was Super. You got to like Clark because he was relatable. Snyder's Kent is mostly whiny and there is really nothing likable about him, so his Superman is a whiny version of a whiny Clark, which is, like I said, unlikable. The Superman DC TV comics character was really cool too, because they focused on Clark and made Superman seem better because you felt empathy for the character. This one does nothing for me because his movies have not focused on him at all.
Batman Begins and The Dark Knight will go down as top-tier best superhero films ever. Nolan was superb at making the audience have the feeling of, "if this could happen."