Official Graphic Novel thread....(changed from Watchmen thread)

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  1. OZ

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    Almost done with the "Dark Knight Returns"

    awesome, basically Batman with a Watchman type feel to it. I can see why it is considered either his first or second best one of all time.

    I like it better than Batman: Year One....so far
     
  2. soulfly

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    Doesn't Times ignore all non-English fiction?
     
  3. audrew

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    Cue the communist complaining why The Tale of Genji or House of the Dead weren't included
     
  4. just checked it and yeah they do, they also have a graphic novels section

    theres another list i was thinking of that wasnt english only, and watchmen was the only GN on that list.. cant remember where i saw it though
     
  5. soulfly

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  6. OZ

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    Just finished the it; awesome awesome awesome.
     
  7. TC

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    :thumb:
     
  8. OZ

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    Also confirmed every reason I love Batman and think Superman sucks. One has a realistic view of the world while the other does not.

    SPOILER ALERT:

    Love how Miller uses television news, interviews, and builds everything up to make Batman really for the most part hated. I also think it is brilliant how he changes the entire mutant group at the end to learn under him and eventually be what I think is Bruce Wayne's own "League of Assassins" that eventually could try and improve cities/places like what Ra's al Ghul wanted but could never accomplish without pitting crime with crime. Haven't gotten deep enough into comics to see if somebody has expanded on this but I might have a new hobby I may start.
     
  9. audrew

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    A) the list was novels from the 20th century, not the 19th
    B) house of the dead is Dostoevsky's best work
     
  10. soulfly

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    :loldog:

    Notes from Underground, son.
     
  11. OZ

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    forgot that Miller made a sequel later on, with the Dark Knight Strikes Again, I assume that answers my questions on the issue.
     
  12. OZ

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    Bump this shit because I just got done reading Knightfall. Loved the storyline, thought the execution was meh. Bane could be the best Batman villain if somebody wanted to give him some justice again.
     
  13. Kevintensity

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    lets say i wanted to read some Batman graphic novels. where should i start assuming i haven't read anything Batman related other than random stuff on wikipedia
     
  14. TC

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    Dark Knight Returns is the only one I've read but it was really good and is regarded as a landmark in the graphic novel genre
     
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  15. OZ

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    I've read, I think, 18 of them. I would start with Batman: Year 1 and from there go to Batman: The Dark Knight Returns. From that point I would recommend reading Knightfall and that entire series because Bane is based on it.

    After that just make sure you read them in order that they were suppose to appear in each mini-series. I have started a few that were halfway through and I was a bit confused and it doesn't make them as enjoyable.
     
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  16. OZ

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    Also if you are a fan of the Joker you have to read. Shitty AMC Show Joke and while not as good The Man who Laughs has a joker I really enjoy for one specific reason at the end. The ending to Shitty AMC Show Joke is awesome and really makes you appreciate where the last movie got its feeling (Shitty AMC Show Joke might be the best graphic novel I have read, its short but has no filler at all). If you are a fan of Two-face (or specifically Harvey Dent) A Long Halloween is really good. You want to see Batman at his lowest read The Cult.
     
  17. audrew

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    LOL. You cant type The Killi-ng
     
  18. OZ

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    Lol, did not know that was an auto edit. Well it's called The Kill-ing Joke
     
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  20. Celemo

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    in with a post for later
     
  21. Celemo

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    just read the thread. Let me get the obligatory Watchmen props out of the way loved the book and the movie. The movie was probably the best adaptation of a comic I've ever seen. Now that that is out of the way some of my other fave GNs would be

    Batman:Year 1 - Batman starts his career off with foiling some petty larceny and works up the criminal ladder to take on Falcone. Origin of Catwoman included

    Batman: The Long Halloween - a 1 year story arc where Batman tries to hunt down a serial killer who murders it's victims on holidays. expands upon Batman's relationship with organized crime and Catwoman. Also ties into the events that turns Dent into Two-Face

    Batman: Dark Victory - sequel to the Long Halloween, picks up with a new killer offing cops from Year One (among others). Also introduces Robin and explores the territorial shift/Batman's focus of Gotham between the mob and the freaks (Joker, Penguin, etc.)

    Kingdom Come - takes place 20 years in the DC universe future where the old guard contends with the new and more brutal generation of superheros. The artwork is God Tier

    Earth X - Marvel's answer to Kingdom Come...set in the future, the plot is super complicated to explain because it ties in a lot of early origin stuff about the Skrulls, Kree, the Inhumans and various other titles. everyone has super powers and the pre-existing heroes like Captain America, Spiderman, etc. have to fight a mind controlling villain named The Skull who reminds me of King Joff in AGoT.

    I'll come up with some more later...just didn't want to do some big mega long post at this point in time
     
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  22. pez

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    Just read this one, as well as sme others suggested. Pretty good. Any more non-batman suggestions?
     
  23. audrew

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    Justice League Tower of Babel is badass
     
  24. Celemo

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    if you like the super hero genre...2 I really liked that were non Marvel/DC is Astro City and Powers

    Astro City is written by Kurt Busiek and it basically explores how superheroes/villans and ordinary citizens react to living in a comic book world. the first graphic novel is called Life in The Big City...and I believe the first couple stories are kinda stand alone introduce you to everyone(sort of) deals and then future graphic novels follow 6-7 issues woth of a story arc.

    Powers is written by Brian Michael Bendis and its about a cop who used to be a superhero but lost his powers and he investigates crimes in which superpowers were used. The art is minimalist, the writing is fucking top notch...it starts out with "Who Killed Retro Girl?" which is a 7 ish story arc and the following story arcs are about thesame length in their own self contained TPBs

    I also liked Planetary by Warren Ellis which was about some supers that considered themselves Archeologists of the Impossible...basically cataloging the Earth's Secret History...some really fucking cool concepts were explored and really interesting takes about certain "what ifs"
     
  25. tnman1025

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    Yeah, it's awesome and the new DC Comics animated movie, "Justice League: Doom" is somewhat based on the Tower of Babel graphic novel. Both are awesome.
     
  26. pez

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    I'm not as inclined to the super hero genre unless it's something more unique, which both of these sound like they are. I started in on some Y The Last Man and that's a pretty good read so far and I tore through Walking Dead. But I'll check these out.
     
  27. Celemo

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    @pez ...also worth mentioning is 100 Bullets forget the name of the dude who writes it but its fucking great. The plot initially starts out with this dude named Mr. Graves who rolls up on some average joe who has been totally fucked over or "wronged". He provides them with a briefcase that has concrete proof of them getting fucked over, a gun, untraceable bullets, and pretty much carte blanche to exact their revenge on the person(s) who've done them dirty. As the story progresses agendas start appearing and the story gets pretty complex...kind of a crime noir type of book
     
  28. Celemo

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    go with Powers
     
  29. snowfx2

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    The "Before Watchmen" prequel comics start to come out on Wednesday. I know some don't want anything to do with the story touched on, especially with Alan Moore not writing any of these 7 books, but I'll probably still check them out.
     
  30. Celemo

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    Let me know how they are
     
  31. TC

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    Anybody read any good graphic novels lately?
     
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    Lol no shit
     
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  34. Shawn Hunter

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    I'm in the middle of reading Scalped. Enjoyed Locke & Key, Essex County, Preacher, and Y: The Last Man
     
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    http://screenrant.com/hbo-watchment-tv-series-comic-different/
    HBO’s Watchmen Will Likely Stray From the Source Material

    The upcoming Watchmen TV series may stray far from the source material. Last month, it was reported that LOST and The Leftovers co-creator Damon Lindelof had been hired by HBO to develop an adaptation of Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons’ iconic 1986 limited comic book series (and later graphic novel), Watchmen. The news came almost two years after it was first reported that HBO was developing a Watchmen TV series, though all they had to say at the time was that they were in preliminary talks with creatives about the project.

    Then, earlier this year, reports surfaced about Warner Bros. looking into developing an R-rated animated adaptation of the graphic novel, thus potentially indicating plans to shelve the live-action TV series. However, that didn’t seem to be the case when Lindelof reportedly boarded the TV project in June. Although, even his involvement may be in question. Yesterday, Lindelof said that he hasn’t had any meetings with HBO about Watchmen, though he said that he was interested in the project and seemed to indicate that he was at least contacted by the network about the adaptation.

    RELATED: FANCASTING HBO’S WATCHMEN TV SHOW
    Lindelof’s reluctance to confirm his involvement with the Watchmen TV series makes today’s comments from HBO’s president of programming, Casey Bloys, perplexing. Bloys discussed HBO’s slate during the network’s summer TCA presentation today, and Bloys told IGNafterward that Lindelof’s Watchmen TV series may stray from the source material and even include some original plot points.

    “I don’t want to talk too much about it, but Damon is thinking about it in a way exactly as you describe it. Which is, how do you take the material and derive from it a TV show, without making it a literal translation?”




    Those who’ve read the Watchmen graphic novel know that the story has a definitive beginning and a definitive ending, which is why it was told as a limited series in the first place. So, translating that story into a full-fledged series (not miniseries) would, of course, require deviations from the source material. When asked about Lindelof potentially creating material specifically for the show, Bloys responded, “I think so, yes.” The HBO executive also explained that if anyone could do that, it’s Lindelof, who he had worked with while the writer was shepherding The Leftovers.

    “Damon is one of the smartest, most passionate, most thorough writers I’ve ever worked with, so he’s really thinking about this in amazing ways. Again, I don’t want to talk about the details of it, but when you sit with him, and you see the way his mind works, it’s really kind of amazing.”



    The last Watchmen adaptation was Zack Snyder’s 2009 film. And as with virtually every other Snyder-directed film, Watchmen split critics and audiences. However, the movie’s Ultimate Cut has since received almost universal acclaim, with other notable Hollywood directors heralding the film as a “masterwork.” Despite the movie’s extended version achieving acclaim from critics and audiences alike, Gibbons believes that the upcoming Watchmen TV series may, in fact, outshine the movie. Gibbons suggested that Watchmen works better as a TV show rather than a movie because it’s an episodic story, and episodic narratives don’t always fit within the confines of a two-to-three hour film; unless, of course, the story stretches across multiple theatrical installments.

    However, it’s worth noting that Gibbons expressed his thoughts prior Bloys’ comments, so it’s possible that the acclaimed artist may not consider the new adaptation better than the movie upon seeing it. Although it sounds like HBO and Lindelof have every intention of moving forward with the Watchmen TV series, we’ll just have to wait and see if they actually follow through.
     
  37. pez

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    Not sure where to put it

     
  38. Celemo

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    Hmmmmm. I always wonder what “creative differences” are dealbreakers.
     
  39. Shawn Hunter

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    Well it's never good when people leave over creative differences before the show's first season is even finished.
     
  40. Celemo

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    Executive: Ok hear me out...what if we made Yorick a woman???
     
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  41. Celemo

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    We’ll call her Yolanda and instead of a monkey, we’ll give her a cat
     
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  42. Shawn Hunter

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    And instead of a monkey, what if we made it a porpoise, and the whole show took place under the sea? And plot twist, what if this was about the last porpoise on earth instead?
     
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    I’d probably watch Yvonne: The Last Porpoise
     
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    I'll still be excited just to finally see this on TV regardless though and I have full faith in FX. I'd basically be resigned to the fact that it would just suck now if it was going to be airing on AMC.
     
  45. Nelson

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    Holy shit
     
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  46. Celemo

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    worth mentioning, The first two volumes of the Umbrella Academy are a pretty solid read. I'm not sure what I like more, the comic or the show
     
  47. Detlef Schrempf

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    Is this show on now? The books of it I’ve read are great.
     
  48. TC

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    Someone I know is one of the writers of this new comic. Haven't checked it out yet but sounds cool.

     
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