***Official Miami Dolphins Thread pt 2 - We losing everybody***

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  1. tylerdolphin

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    That's the unfortunate reality of the NFL. You can have the best LB ever and it doesn't mean shit until you have a QB.
     
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  2. Jack Parkman

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    yup

    although as the bears in 2018 showed us having an elite defense can get you back to winning very easy
     
  3. tylerdolphin

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    They also showed us that sustaining an elite defense is very hard. Less variables when you have a great QB.
     
  4. CF3234

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    I don't buy it whatsoever, but if the Redskins take Tua, you draft young, Simmons or Okadah in that order at 5 and then move up if necessary to get Love
     
  5. tylerdolphin

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    I'm guessing if the Redskins take Tua, Detroit full on sprints the card up with Young's name on it.

    I'd love to land Simmons if that scenario unfolds though.
     
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    That would be my guess
     
  7. Flintheart Glomgold

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    Trade 18, 25, and a first next year to move up for Tua, draft Simmons at 5. Fuck it
     
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    I’m good with it
     
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  9. Jack Parkman

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    Hypothetical

    Tua gone and Okudah and Simmons are still on the board

    who do we want
     
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    Simmons.
     
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  11. Jigga

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    Simmons and it’s not close
     
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  12. Flintheart Glomgold

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    Simmons, but you know they’d take Herbert
     
  13. Jigga

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    B67D8CCF-F729-4BEA-9E48-EB92785B7238.png I know it’s not a need but I’d fucking love this
     
  14. Wu

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    I like Ruggs but WR at 18 seems a stretch
     
  15. Jigga

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    100% but it’d be fun
     
  16. Wu

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    Ah yeah I see the caption, so they have us getting tua as well

    yolo
     
  17. KeepingItRealSince1853

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    So it seems like the tackles we had been linked to for our 2nd and 3rd picks (Thomas and Jones) have in one case performed better than that projection (Thomas) and in another case worse than that projection (Jones). Is that accurate based off the combine?
     
  18. tylerdolphin

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    Definitely not our beliggest need but I don't think we can be complacent with what we have and thinking that's ok. Parker seems to have turned a corner but he's often injured historically. Preston Williams is coming of an injury and had issues in college. We really need to add some pieces.
     
  19. Jack Parkman

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    McShay post mock has us taking

    Tua at 5
    CJ Henderson at 18
    Josh Jones at 26
     
  20. Flintheart Glomgold

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    Seen Henderson mocked to us a few times, but isnt the word on him that he can’t tackle? That’s a huge requirement for Flores defense right?
     
  21. Jack Parkman

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    Definitely not his strength
     
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    Let half the damn team leave in FA and end up with a 4th and a 7th. Fucking comp pick rules.
    Absolute BS that if the player who leaves gets hurt you don’t get the comp pick. How does that make any sense
     
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    half the team? 4 guys?

     
  26. CF3234

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    felt like way more. Still James and Wake signed big deals. They should have gotten at least a 3rd out of that.
     
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    James’ knee injury is what dropped it from a 3 to a 4
     
  28. CF3234

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    right. which is dumb as shit. an injury shouldn't result in your pick being downgraded. What happens once the player leaves doesn't change that another team paid millions of dollars to sign you away from your previous team.
     
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  30. Jigga

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    Would have been nice to trade him
     
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  31. Jack Parkman

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    I have no doubt they've tried over the last year, clearly couldn't find any takers at his age and salary
     
  32. Wu

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    Feels like this was the last move for the first step of the rebuild

    and lol at this reply

     
  33. Jack Parkman

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    Free agency begins monday, we have any preferences?

    Van noy for me
     
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    Armando's free agency preview article

    With the most salary cap space in the NFL at a whopping $88 million or so (as of Tuesday night) the Miami Dolphins are loaded for free agency next Monday when the so-called legal tampering period begins at noon.

    If the Dolphins wanted to, they could effectively sign not one big-splash free agent but maybe three or four and still have plenty of money (cap space) left over for the draft and practice squad and the season’s financial needs -- such as signing players to fill voids left by injured players.

    Think of it:

    The Dolphins, 27th in the league against the run and dead last in sacks, could address both issues by signing Kansas City Chiefs defensive lineman Chris Jones. Jones, excellent against the run, also collected 31 sacks the last three years.

    And then the Dolphins could address the offensive line with maybe Washington Redskins guard Brandon Scherff or New England’s Joe Thuney and why not address the right tackle spot, too, with Tennessee’s Jack Conklin.


    And then the alarm clock sounded.

    Dream over.

    That’s not likely how it will play out.

    First, teams don’t typically let players like Jones hit free agency and the Chiefs didn’t win Super Bowl 54 by doing dumb things. So, if the reporting is to be believed, they are currently negotiating to re-sign Jones and would likely use a franchise tag on him if no deal is struck.

    Womp, womp, womp.


    Fine, so no Jones. But other guys right?

    Well, yes.

    And no.

    I am expecting the Dolphins to be aggressive in free agency. But also conduct themselves with some discipline and even restraint, based on what I’m hearing.

    They will sign players. They definitely will do that.


    It could be half-a-dozen to maybe two handfuls of players that Miami signs. And some will be very competitive contracts because that’s simply the way free agency is set up.

    But there’s not going to be a tidal wave of stars walking through the door of the Dolphins’ facility during free agency. And the way the contracts will be set up will have to make sense ... for the team.

    What I mean by that is the Dolphins just emerged from something of a dead money hell last year when they saw fit to jettison multiple players that were either older or not living up to their big salaries.

    But in getting rid of those players, the guaranteed money the team had to absorb onto its cap was onerous. The sting was softened in that the Dolphins were, well, taking a strategic step back. Yeah, tanking.

    But that is over and the lesson is learned.

    So going forward, at least for this offseason, the Dolphins don’t intend to be a big guaranteed money bank for free agents.

    They will pay. But it will have to make sense.

    Example: Last May the Dolphins had a player they love in cornerback Xavien Howard. So they signed him to a five-year, $75.25 million extension through 2024.

    And the headline was Miami made Howard the highest paid cornerback in the game.

    But the reality is the Dolphins fully guaranteed only $27.18 million, according to ProFootballTalk, and set themselves up to exit the contract with negligible pain (dead money) the final three years of the deal.

    So Howard has to produce at a high level the next couple of seasons to see the nearly $36 million owed him on the contract from 2022-2024.

    Think of that as a template for the type of contract the Dolphins want to be doing in free agency in 2020.

    The deals may sound like a lot at first blush. The headlines will blare it’s a lot and the Dolphins are spending.

    But on the back end, the team will be able to exit without bleeding very much dead money at a time players are getting older and perhaps playing at diminished levels.

    This makes sense for the team. But not all teams are necessarily doing this.

    So the Dolphins may be competing for players against teams willing to risk more guaranteed money throughout the deal and players getting those offers -- usually the brightest stars -- aren’t likely headed to Miami to sign a more team-friendly deal.

    So not Chris Jones as an interior lineman option. But perhaps players a step down in both talent, availability and affordability like Houston’s D.J. Reader or Pittsburgh’s Javon Hargrave.

    Definitely not Jadeveon Clowney as an edge rusher -- based on his feelings about the Dolphins last year, desire to get paid, and desire to still be on an playoff-caliber team after this offseason.

    But the Dolphins will have interest in New England’s Kyle Van Noy, who collected eight sacks with nine quarterback hits and 43 pressures, according to ProFootball Focus.

    I was thinking the Dolphins should have interest in Los Angeles Rams edge rusher Dante Fowler, but there’s a sense in league circles he doesn’t fit the character mold of players Dolphins coach Brian Flores wants.

    Fowler a couple of years ago was something of a problem -- being arrested multiple times, being seen on video apparently serving as referee of a fight between his girlfriend and the mother of his kids. So we’ll see on that one.

    Me? I think that might lower Fowler’s eventual price in free agency but I won’t believe Flores would roll with that until I see it.

    By the way, keep your eyes on Baltimore’s Matt Judon, New York Giants edge Markus Golden and Pittsburgh’s Bud Dupree. The Dolphins have closely studied all of them.

    (And I pause here to remind you these guys are all 6-3ish and somewhere between 260-270. And you might wonder why can’t the Dolphins just trot out Charles Harris or Taco Charlton? I think it has something to do with the fact Harris finished last season with 1/2 a sack and Charlton was a healthy scratch in three of the team’s final four games.)

    Moving on ...

    The Dolphins want cornerback help this offseason. Maybe they get it through the draft, which is preferable. Maybe they get it through the draft and free agency because they probably need more than one.

    Cornerback Byron Jones is a name I’ve heard connected to the Dolphins but I’m not sure I buy this. I also don’t like zero interceptions the past two years.

    Brian Poole seems like something of a fit because I don’t believe his market is going to be exorbitant and he’s a good slot corner. Chris Harris, an excellent slot who played outside last year, is a baller.

    But he’s 30 and this: $$$$$.

    One more name I keep hearing: Logan Ryan.

    Yeah, pretty obvious in that he’s a former Patriot who played for Flores. Don’t sleep on this possibility.

    About the offensive line:

    I believe the Dolphins are going to draft an offensive tackle. This is the year to do it and they have the resources to do it. They also could address the guard spot in the draft.

    But I hear through the grapevine -- the Dolphins hate my grapevine, by the way -- that perhaps an under the radar offensive lineman will interest Miami.

    Detroit’s Graham Glasgow fits that mold. He’s started 58 games over the past four seasons and played well last season, yet the Lions have decided to let him go. Glasgow did not allow a sack in 87 snaps last season, per PFF.

    And now you’re asking about Scherff and Thuney.

    I get it, they’re better known and good. But there are issues.

    The Redskins reportedly have no intention of letting Scherff go in that they’re negotiating a deal with him currently and still have the option of tagging him if no deal is worked out.

    Also, Scherff has been nagged by injuries in recent years, missing a total of 15 games, or almost one full season, over the past three.

    Thuney? He’s gonna get paid!

    We’re talking perhaps setting the market as the highest-paid guard at $15 million per season.

    Yes, the Dolphins could pay that if they wish. But that would not exactly fit the plan unless Thuney agrees to a contract that gives the Dolphins options on the back end of the deal when the 27-year-old perhaps begins a decline and isn’t living up to that $15 million per year.
     
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  37. LeonardWashington

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    give me all the OL
     
  38. Flintheart Glomgold

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    Byron Jones, Von Bell, DJ Reader, Andrus Peat
     
  39. LeonardWashington

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    Glasgow would be an awesome get. Under the radar name. If you put any stock into PFF, they love him. I think that's a smart signing that wouldn't break the bank.

    Ranked #12 overall OG (including both RG and LG) last season. He has had 3 incredibly consistent seasons, earning about the exact same grade the past 3 years.
     
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    Feel like Jones isn't nearly as a good as his next contract will be
     
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  44. Jigga

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    Ewww

    Jadeveon Clowney, EDGE
    Age: 27
    2019 Stats: 31 tackles, 3 sacks, 13 QB hits, 4 FF
    Potential suitors: Seahawks, Dolphins, Browns, Titans, Ravens, Falcons, Panthers, Colts, Giants

    Clowney passed on joining the Dolphins in a trade from the Texans last season, but that shouldn't necessarily rule the franchise out as a landing spot in free agency. Clowney's reasoning was that Miami wasn't trying to win, but this team is now a lot closer to competing than you might think. A strong finish to the 2019 campaign got things going in the right direction, and the Dolphins can bolster their roster with a number of impact free agents and three first-round picks - one of which likely to be used on a quarterback of the future. And, at the end of the day, money talks. Miami has more cap space than any other team, so making Clowney one of the NFL's highest-paid pass-rushers is more than doable.

    Prediction: Dolphins on a 5-year, $105M contract ($60M guaranteed)
     
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  46. Wu

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    That would be fucking disastrous
     
  47. LeonardWashington

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    Kinda of a weird choice not to bring back Kilgore, if not for only a bridge year for one more season. He was at least mediocre and cheap.
     
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    I want no part of him
     
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