Especially in the first offseason of a first year head coach. It seems like filling out the staff again as an unproven guy would be tough
looks like Michigan fans on 247 are flipping out because of his recruiting, but that doesn’t matter to us.....how is he as a coach?
Simmons would be the smart pick where he goes on to the next 10 pro bowls and completely reshapes the Phins D for years. The fan base will riot though if Tua isn't the pick at 5.
Michigan fans on 24/7 flip out about everything. Was a recruiting plus...coaching wise lol edit: LBs took a step back this year due to Bush declaring early and Ross being injured. That being said, he did a good job coaching up McGrone and the LBs weren’t a liability for us
Fuck them if they trade all the draft capital for burrow when all they had to do was drop the last two games.
Odds are heavily against you in the nfl without a top QB. I’m fine with “overpaying” for burrow, because at some point you got to call your shot. I’m not fine with sending second round picks on flyers ala feely beck rosen. You don’t go bargain shopping on QBs. Anyway, I’m cool with tua too. But it’s kind of feeling like this is our chance and Id hate to kick the can because we’re arguing over value.
That article calls for us to give up 5, 18, 39, and a 1st and a 3rd next year. I’d rather take Tua or Herbert at 5, Eason or love with another early pick, and get a QB in the first next year. 5 picks for one shot at a guy hoping he doesn’t bust, or 3 shots hoping one guy is elite and you can still have extra picks? Easy decision.
As I stated earlier in this thread, it would be the most dolphins move ever to acquire all these picks, only to have to use them all to trade up for one guy. Please don’t do that Miami. Please keep what you have and build a team. As much as I’ve been skeptical of Tua, I’d rather get him at 5 versus trading everything away to get Burrow and then bring him into a team that still needs almost everything else. Personally I’m still on team rebuild the lines with someone like Andrew Thomas and then get an RB in the second. Can’t wait for the Phins to do something else dumb.
It wouldn’t be overpaying, it would be giving up every top pick that we’ve accumulated for the foreseeable future Burrow is the Cincy hometown boy and exactly what they are looking for. It would take a kings ransom
I'm not saying you trade the whole draft for Burrow, but it always puzzles me when I see Dolphins fans flippantly suggest we pass on QB opportunities to "build the rest of the team" like they haven't seen this movie for the last 20 years. None of it matters unless you get your guy at QB and the sooner the better. I feel like it's a wasted opportunity to come out of this without Tua or Burrow. You take your shots when you can because we all damn well know it's not as easy as "ok we'll just get our QB now" a few years down the road.
You're not wrong but I've also seen the reverse when we had a QB and now he's up 10-0 the the AFC title game
You’re also kind of making his point. Dolphins called their shot with a top 10 pick QB. it certainly wasn’t the popular pick. The value guys all balked at it. His value surpassed what the value guys would’ve said. We can argue all day about whether he should still be here, but regardless you can’t come out of this draft without Tua or Burrow because value guys are doing mental math over losing Tunsil and Minkah Fitzpatrick. We don’t know when that opportunity will present itself again. Final side point. Everyone wants to quote the patriots value model. It’s much easier to play value when you’ve had a top 5 QB for twenty years. Solidify QB and then we can talk value.
Bungles already coming out with messaging that they don’t intend to move out of #1 so I am curious to see what goldmine they’d accept to trade down
I wasn't really disagreeing either. More just not going full on "QB fixes all" that some other seen to think too so that the rest of the building isn't as important. I still wonder how many "good QBs" we just never knew about becuase we blamed them for team failures that weren't their own
This is exactly how I feel. Solve the QB issues first. I think we are going to have to move up to 3 which might cost us the Texans pick but likely not much more. I'm totally fine with that. We have enough picks and cash the next two years to move up to 3 and grab a QB and still fix the other holes. But we have to solve QB first and the only way to do that is with a very high draft pick. The "value" crowd are the people who tried to make the case for the awful Rosen trade that never really made sense. And I get it that value is important but with the QB position you just have to pay the price and get your guy. Can't value shop at that position.
Also the revisionist history on tannehill by some people kills me. We all know what he was in Miami after multiple chances and multiple coaches. I wish the guy success but come on with these suggestions that we made a mistake trading him
As far as us having to trade up for Tua if we want him...I think it's pretty likely we have to. I saw a poster on Finheaven break it down earlier this year and I can't remember the specifics, but almost every QB that's viewed as a legitimate first rounder and isn't drafted top 2 ends up traded up for. Just in general teams don't sit and hope for QBs to fall to them in the top half of the first round.
Kiper's first mock has us taking Tua Chaisson Swift Really think we need to go for OL with atleast 1 of our 1sts, if not 2
you can’t ignore both lines We need to go QB, OL, RB, Pass rusher with our top picks in the first 3 rounds